I apologize in advance as this will be a very long post. Now I will be the first to say that TDKR was not better than TDK, heck TDKR was not better than BB. I consider TDKR the weakest of the trilogy, but that takes nothing away from the movie. TDKR was probably the biggest action movie ever made, the sheer scope and epic feel of the film cannot be denied. I whole-heartedly agree that it should not be nominated or even mentioned in any of the categories other than the technical ones. So it was quite a shock for me to see it not even being nominated for at least 1 technical category. It didn't have to win, but not even a nomination, I disagree. Now to give my opinions on some of the responses here.
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Originally Posted by jw
not by the Academy....
I watched the bonus disc and will say, they did some great editing to get things to look and work the way they did, but mounting a "bat" on a car frame and driving it through Gotham then doing backend editing to remove the car is not exactly new to Hollywood.
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Good job by you to handpick a single scene of otherwise vastly superior scenes showcasing the hard work and dedication by crew members in creating sets and shooting scenes for this film. You must have either dozed off or skipped every other featurette on the bonus disc if that is the only thing you remember. If any of you saw even 5 minutes of the featurette on the opening plane heist scene you would see the sheer amount of effort and hard work that went into it. For a paltry 6 minute scene of a 2 hour 45 minute film they literally flew that jumbo plane with trained professionals and had them jump onto the smaller plane and attach those cables. All the while Nolan and Pfister were in a third plane shooting that scene of the other 2 planes. Also, for when they tilted the plane and blew off the tail, that was a miniature scale model they made and used explosives to blow apart. Also, they literally took the small plane and dropped it from that height, no cgi whatsoever. All the while they had an imax camera for some of the shots dangling from a plane secured to a contraption that kept it still while shooting in the air. Also the scenes inside the plane were done on a plane on the ground they placed vertically and put an IMAX camera at the bottom of the plane. There was maybe 10% cgi in that whole scene, the majority of it was real. For that scene alone they should have been nominated. But let me give you more. For those of you aware of the NFL and the Pittsburgh Steelers, they play their games in a stadium called Heinz Field. On the day of shooting, they had thousands of extras enter the stadium for that scene, all the while they tore up parts of the field and had explosives placed for the cgi that was to be added later. To use a real life football stadium packed with thousands of extras all the while setting off explosives and tearing up the field, that is a lot of planning and hard work. The climax of the film with the police officers and bane's henchmen fighting. Literally, there were more than a thousand extras for that scene, not one cgi character at all. Can you imagine how efficiently a scene like that has to be shot. Having over a thousand people fight each other and with snow that was created on set because apparently it was shot in summer and it was over 100 degrees there. That scene was massive and extremely difficult to shoot but they managed. These are only a few scenes, I could go on but I'm afraid I've already lost half of you.
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Originally Posted by GuruAskew
You won't hear it from me. The same group of people doing competent work the third time in a row that was comparable to what came before it at best and slightly inferior in the eyes of most at worst? That's not worthy of celebration. Most people would call that "going through the motions." Some would call it "phoning it in."
I'm a huge Bond fan and Nolan uses a ton of those people. I respect the hell out of Chris Corbould and I admire that he consistently does believable-to-the-point-of-flawlessness practical effects and I have no doubt that he could half-ass a project and it'd still be great but that's not the point of the Oscars.
Most A-list productions are going to have craftsman who do their jobs extremely well but those same craftsman would agree that you need to go above and beyond to stand out from the crowd and command the attention and respect needed to get that nomination.
You don't need to be good or even great. You have to be exceptional. And TDKR is not exceptional in any way. There isn't a single aspect of it that is consistently cited as superior to TDK. Lindy Hemming's work is a perfect example: you can go on and on about her cobbling the Bane costume together from clever sources but how many people are gonna say the end result is better than the Joker's suit? Not many.
So again, it's not even about the competition. TDKR's biggest rival is TDK. Why would AMPAS recognize a movie in 2012 that is unanimously considered inferior in every way to its predecessor from 2008?
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These scenes were nothing like what had to be shot in TDK. Are you kidding me? "Going through the motions", "phoning it in"? Each film in Nolan's trilogy has gone bigger and bolder than the one before. If you watched the same movie as me you could see how much bigger and bolder TDKR was than TDK. The biggest challenge they had in TDK was flipping an 18 wheeler 180 degrees. As I detailed above, the plane heist scene alone was bigger than anything in TDK, on top of that you have the football stadium scene and the fight on Wall Street at the end. Do not stand there and discredit years of planning and months of hard work and dedication as "phoning it in". Because you clearly do not understand the difficulty in shooting such a big film. Also, last I checked was TDK released in 2012? No it wasn't, so why would TDKR be competing against TDK in this year's Academy Awards? It will only go against movies that were shot in the same year so there is no credibility or justification to that statement.
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Originally Posted by TylerDurden
Yup a superhero/comic-book film just like TDK which got 8 nominations.  |
You do realize that TDK received all of those nominations in technical and sound categories other than the Supporting Actor Nomination for Heath Ledger, and sadly I think his death played some part in that as well. TDK was one of the best films that year and didn't even receive a nomination for it. You would have to be naive to think that the Oscars are not entirely political and discriminate against comic book movies. No superhero comic book movie has ever been nominated for best director, let alone best picture. And most likely it will stay that way. The Academy does not recognize such movies, regardless of how great those films are because of political bias against such movies.
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