Audio and the PS3

[Slec]

Originally Posted by alstein

>>HI

I have a Denon AVR4306 which does have HDMI connections, I have tried on numerous occasions to connect the PS3 to my Toshiba 57HX93 HDTV without success. The TV has a DVI connection and I was using an HDMI/DVI cable. BTW I am able to connect my Bell Expressvue 9200 PVR using to the Toshiba TV via HDMI/DVI and it works fine. However The Denon's HDMI connections have never worked. Are you sure that I can connect the HDMI from the PS3 to my Denon Receiver for audio only? I am currently using the optical connections for audio and component for video. I was under the impression that the PS3 doesn't let you connect HDMI and component at the same time.

Thanks for your help.

Welcome to the site. I've setup 3 different PS3's in the manner described so it definitely works. DVI only carries video, so if the issue you had was video but no audio from the PS3 when hooked directly to the tv, then you're ok, that should have been the result.

As for the Denon receiver, you'll have to adjust your settings on the PS3 for HDMI audio out only (and component video out), and then you'll have to make some menu adjustments on the Denon. The PS3 is a great and flexible piece of machinery. You can definitely output audio over HDMI and video over component.

You will not be able to go out HDMI for audio and video to the receiver, then split it to the tv (component video out). If you can get the HDMI inputs working, then you should be ok. I'll look a bit into your receiver and see if I can figure out what the issue is.


Edit:
Cnet's review says: "Also, the HDMI output doesn't pass audio--no big deal, since the whole purpose of the receiver is to provide excellent audio to your connected surround speakers instead those tinny speakers that are built in to your HDTV."
So you won't be able to get audio out to the tv from the Denon over HDMI anyway. Is that in line with your issues?

[alstein]

Originally Posted by Slec

Welcome to the site. I've setup 3 different PS3's in the manner described so it definitely works. DVI only carries video, so if the issue you had was video but no audio from the PS3 when hooked directly to the tv, then you're ok, that should have been the result.

As for the Denon receiver, you'll have to adjust your settings on the PS3 for HDMI audio out only (and component video out), and then you'll have to make some menu adjustments on the Denon. The PS3 is a great and flexible piece of machinery. You can definitely output audio over HDMI and video over component.

You will not be able to go out HDMI for audio and video to the receiver, then split it to the tv (component video out). If you can get the HDMI inputs working, then you should be ok. I'll look a bit into your receiver and see if I can figure out what the issue is.

Thanks very much. I'll try it out....once I muster up the courage to fiddle around with my Denon ! <G>

[TOP_GUN]

i was thinking about getting the ps3 since it can now decode dts ma. i have a marantz 7001 avr it is 1.2 hdmi if i get the ps3 do i need a new avr

ps which ps3 should i get the 40 gb or the 60 gb

[Canada]

Have Pioneer reciever with HDMI 1.3 will hear DTS MA anlong side alot of you fully on Tuesday.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by TOP_GUN

i was thinking about getting the ps3 since it can now decode dts ma. i have a marantz 7001 avr it is 1.2 hdmi if i get the ps3 do i need a new avr

ps which ps3 should i get the 40 gb or the 60 gb

You should be fine with 1.2. 1.3 is needed for bitstreaming which the PS3 cannot do because of hardware. As far as I've been able to tell, HDMI 1.1 or above will transmit PCM in up to 8 (7.1) channels.

If you have PS2 games and can find a 60gig or 80 gig, get one. If not, the 40 should be fine. The 40 does not have memory card slots (with a hard drive though, does that matter), only has 2 usb ports (vs 4 for 60G and 80G), and does not support SACD or PS2 game support. The 40 runs "quieter" and produces less heat due to a smaller chipset (my 60 isn't all that loud so YMMV).

If you want an 80G, check online or some of the stores that usually have high pricing on CD's or movies (Blockbuster, FYE to name 2). They will generally have stock sitting around longer than the big guys.

[alstein]

Originally Posted by Slec

Welcome to the site. I've setup 3 different PS3's in the manner described so it definitely works. DVI only carries video, so if the issue you had was video but no audio from the PS3 when hooked directly to the tv, then you're ok, that should have been the result.

As for the Denon receiver, you'll have to adjust your settings on the PS3 for HDMI audio out only (and component video out), and then you'll have to make some menu adjustments on the Denon. The PS3 is a great and flexible piece of machinery. You can definitely output audio over HDMI and video over component.

You will not be able to go out HDMI for audio and video to the receiver, then split it to the tv (component video out). If you can get the HDMI inputs working, then you should be ok. I'll look a bit into your receiver and see if I can figure out what the issue is.


Edit:
Cnet's review says: "Also, the HDMI output doesn't pass audio--no big deal, since the whole purpose of the receiver is to provide excellent audio to your connected surround speakers instead those tinny speakers that are built in to your HDTV."
So you won't be able to get audio out to the tv from the Denon over HDMI anyway. Is that in line with your issues?

Not getting audio out to my TV is not important for my purposes. I took the plunge and tried out HDMI audio from the PS3 to the Denon AVR-4306 receiver (I had disconnected the optical audio connection). When I turned the PS3 on, a message appeared on my TV saying that the PS3 detected an HDMI connection, asking if it should switch audio and video to HDMI. I chose no, and set up the audio manually. It worked!!! I had already configured the appropriate HDMI inputs on my Denon. I tried the bitstream option, and noticed that the Denon displayed Dolby Digital as well as my 5 speakers and subwoofer on its lcd screen. The sound was excellent. I then tried linear PCM as an audio option on the PS3, and noticed that the Denon now showed multi channel in and the same speaker display on the LCD screen. Maybe it was my imagination, but the sound on the linear PCM seemed better then Bitstream. I also tried a blu ray dvd (Spiderman 3) which had both Dolby TruHD and PCM uncompressed sound options. My receiver had the identical display (multichannel in), and I couldn't really be certain if one was better than the other. All in all I am very pleased with the change from optical to HDMI. Thanks for your assistance.

[alstein]

Originally Posted by Slec

Welcome to the site. I've setup 3 different PS3's in the manner described so it definitely works. DVI only carries video, so if the issue you had was video but no audio from the PS3 when hooked directly to the tv, then you're ok, that should have been the result.

As for the Denon receiver, you'll have to adjust your settings on the PS3 for HDMI audio out only (and component video out), and then you'll have to make some menu adjustments on the Denon. The PS3 is a great and flexible piece of machinery. You can definitely output audio over HDMI and video over component.

You will not be able to go out HDMI for audio and video to the receiver, then split it to the tv (component video out). If you can get the HDMI inputs working, then you should be ok. I'll look a bit into your receiver and see if I can figure out what the issue is.


Edit:
Cnet's review says: "Also, the HDMI output doesn't pass audio--no big deal, since the whole purpose of the receiver is to provide excellent audio to your connected surround speakers instead those tinny speakers that are built in to your HDTV."
So you won't be able to get audio out to the tv from the Denon over HDMI anyway. Is that in line with your issues?

Hi. I disconnected the optical audio cable and connected an HDMI cable from the PS3 to my Denon receiver. I made the appropriate changes to the Denon audio options. When I powered on the PS3 it detected the HDMI connection and asked if I wanted to configure the audio and the video for HDMI, or set up manually. I chose the latter. I tried out a Blu-Ray DVD and the audio sounded great in Dolby TrueHD. I definitly noticed and improvement in the sound quality compared to listening to Dolby Digital 5.1 through my previous toslink connnection. I also tried linear pcm, and wasn't sure if there was a difference between TrueHd and PCM. In both cases my receiver showed "multichannel audio" on the display as well as a pictogram of my 6 speaker setup. Thanks for your assistance. I'm very pleased with the results.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by alstein

I also tried linear pcm, and wasn't sure if there was a difference between TrueHd and PCM. In both cases my receiver showed "multichannel audio" on the display as well as a pictogram of my 6 speaker setup. Thanks for your assistance. I'm very pleased with the results.

Perfect! fyi, TrueHD and Linear PCM should sound the same. PCM is the uncompressed audio file, TrueHD and DTSHD-MA are zipped versions of the PCM file. The PS3 decodes the Hi Res audio into PCM before sending to your receiver *which is why the receiver reads "multichannel audio"

Enjoy your great new sound!

[Wayner3]

Ok, My Yamaha receiver doesn't do HDMI, But it does 7.1 sound. It is connected from the PS3 by an optical cable. After I download the new codecs tomorrow, will I be able be able to enjoy 7.1 sound? If I can, will the lights on the receiver indicate that it is receiving 7.1 sound? what should the settings be on the PS3?

[Slec]

Originally Posted by Wayner3

Ok, My Yamaha receiver doesn't do HDMI, But it does 7.1 sound. It is connected from the PS3 by an optical cable. After I download the new codecs tomorrow, will I be able be able to enjoy 7.1 sound? If I can, will the lights on the receiver indicate that it is receiving 7.1 sound? what should the settings be on the PS3?

Through optical you will only get the core DD and DTS track that you are currently getting. In order to take full advantage of TrueHD, DTSHD-MA and PCM you will need and HDMI audio compatible receiver. If you want your receiver to decode DD and DTS, then set the optical to bitstream. IIRC DD and DTS are encoded in 5.1. You receiver *may* be able to matrix that into 7.1 but that will largely depend on the abilities of your receiver.

[Musashi]

What's good scene from any of the Blu-rays in my collection (see signature) to demonstate the difference between lossy and lossless to my guests?

[Go Blue]

If I have a 5.1 setup, should I uncheck the 7.1 audio options in the PS3? For example, if I am watching a 7.1 DTS-MA BD, does it matter if the 7.1 PCM options are selected?

[JustinCredible_13]

quick question! ive read some of the info here on HD audio! but still unclear on it! so my question, im using a Optical cable from my PS3 to my Sony 5.1 surround sound, now is this cable give me HD sound?

[Automission]

Oh of course, it sounds so simple!

[HorrorKind]

Hi, I'm new to these forums and have found this thread to be very educational.

My current set-up is this:

-PS3 hooked up to an LG Receiver (Home Theater in a Box) through Optical Cable.

-PS3 to HDTV via HDMI

-Receiver to HDTV through HDMI

- HD Cable Box hooked up to TV through Component Cables

The problem is my Receiver only has 1 HDMI input.

When I watch Blu-ray movies with DTD-Hd Ma or TrueHD audio, the PS3 displays on the info screen that that is what is running. My PS3 is set up in the Blu-Ray settings to run through PCM Linear.

My receiver display simply says AUX OPTICAL.

After reading through this entire thread it is my understanding that what I am actually hearing is Lossless Audio but only on 2 Channels because of the Optical Cable? It sounds really good but I rarely hear any action from the rear surround speakers. The Sub produces some good bass and for a Home Theater in a Box it seems fairly powerful with 1000w total power.

Do you think it's possible I am getting the HD audio in 5.1 or is it likely 2.0 as I suspect?

I just recently spent money on a new 52" Samsung LCDA530 so I really don't want to go out and spend some more on a new receiver just to get the HD Audio Codecs to come through.

Are there any other options for my set-up? With only 1 HDMI output on my Receiver it seems like it limits my options.

[GQSioux]

I have a frustrating problem that I think I have resolved but first I want to make sure I have my info straight and that I am not being jipped of some sound quality.

I have my PS3 connected to my Panasonic SC-PT670 surround sound system via optical. From what I gather, setting the PS3 optical output set to BITSTREAM is best when using Optical. After setting up my new Panasonic sound system I of course did a test. Dolby Digital sounds absolutely amazing!! Just to be sure, I switched to Linear PCM and tried a BluRay with Dolby 5.1, and while it sounded good, it wasnt as strong. It had to be turned up about 5 notches in volume to sound similar to what I got with bitstream. So my conclusion there, Bitstream all the way.

Things struck a blow when I tried DTS (keep in mind I'm still set to Bitstream). I switched to the DTS soundtrack of "Terminator 2" and there was zero sound. Turns out the Panasonic PT670, even though it says it can decode DTS, CANNOT decode DTS from an external source via optical! It only decodes DTS when you use it's built in DVD player. VERY misleading. I felt super jipped. I thought all hope was lost until I tried one other thing. In the book, it says it can only decode Dolby and PCM via optical, soooo, I switched PS#'s optical out setting to Linear PCM, and guess what? Sound came out of my Panasonic sound system with DTS! Not as powerful as the Dolby with Bitstream, but it was working (fyi: there was no DTS logo showing up on the receiver). So basically, my sound system will only let me hear a Blu-Ray with DTS while on Linear PCM. So the conclusion to my set up is, leave it on bitstream and try to use Dolby when I can. Sadly, not all Blu-rays come with Dolby, some are strictly DTS like The Bourne series and My Bloody Valentine 3-D. If I ever encounter a DTS only Blu-ray, I guess I have to switch my PS3 optical out setting back to Linear PCM. So that is my final question I'm hoping someone hear can tell me before I take back my Panasonic sound system. Obviously, toggling back and forth between bitstream and Linear is a minor pain and since my receiver can't decode DTS, I have no choice. When I switch to linear PCM for DTS Blu-rays, is what I am hearing a major step down in quality? It is not true DTS since no DTS logo is registering on the receiver? It doesnt sound bad to me, its just that I do have to turn the volume up slightly more than I would with Dolby/Bitstream.

[chung]

Hello,

Apologies in advance if this has been covered, I've had a quick read but the posts don't answer my question fully, or maybe I just don't understand them

Basically my trouble is that I have a JBL DD 5.1 surround sound system connected to my PS3 via optical link and I've found that I'm limited to the number of blu-ray titles which I can buy because most of the blu-rays are now in the DTS HD or DD TruHD format and only a handful of title are in DD 5.1

So my question is, do I need to
a) splash out on a new receiver/surround system
b) only buy titles that support DD5.1
c) is there a way round this?

My settings match what's been posted above but come clarification on the following would be appreciated

"With this selected you will only be able to achieve the traditional "lossy" core tracks from Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 or 2.0 PCM (stereo). If your disc does not list Dolby Digital or DTS alone, have no fear, these tracks are embedded in their lossless counterparts. Choose TrueHD or DTSHD-MA and you will get the core track as long as the settings are as described above."

It looks like it just means that I can still get the audio from the disc but not in the desired surround format. I've previously tried titles which don't list DD5.1 as a soundtrack (Quantum of Solace & Bourne Trilogy) and whilst I get the audio from the film it's not in the format I want (DD5.1), though it was strange to see that in QOS there was a DD5.1 soundtrack but this was descriptive audio!

Anyway, any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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This thread helped me a lot.

[CharlieHD]

Hi all.

I have Ps3 phat and a Onkyo 608 (5.1 setup).

When I play a Blu-ray with DD5.1 on my PS3, which is connected through HDMI to my receiver, I get good sound when I put it on LPCM. I know my PS3 does not do lossless audio, so bitstreaming is not an option for me.

My problem is that if I put the PS3 on LPCM, I get good sound. But when I put it on bitstream the sound is even better, far better.

I think this has something to do with the presets on my Onkyo 608 receiver. I either put it on "Direct" or "THX Cinema". When I put it on direct, I get no bass. When I put it on THX Cinema, the sound is not as good as bitsreaming.

Could someone please tell me what preset I should use on my Onkyo 608?