CBS' "The Big Bang Theory" (Season 12)

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by djgeneral

Still going on about this? lol

It seems like Frantic Canadian really feels like he has a point to prove about Sheldon needing to remain a static cardboard cutout who never changes. I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to continue feeding that, especially when it really seems like he hasn't been paying any real attention to the show since season 4.

Either that or he feels the need to represent the textbook definition of denial in this thread.

[Drewbee87]

Originally Posted by bsweetness

It seems like Frantic Canadian really feels like he has a point to prove about Sheldon needing to remain a static cardboard cutout who never changes. I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to continue feeding that, especially when it really seems like he hasn't been paying any real attention to the show since season 4.

Either that or he feels the need to represent the textbook definition of denial in this thread.

Whatever it is, I'm officially done.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Drewbee87

Whatever it is, I'm officially done.

That's my spot.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bsweetness

It seems like Frantic Canadian really feels like he has a point to prove about Sheldon needing to remain a static cardboard cutout who never changes. I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to continue feeding that, especially when it really seems like he hasn't been paying any real attention to the show since season 4.

Either that or he feels the need to represent the textbook definition of denial in this thread.

not sure he ever really paid attention. In the first episode Sheldon and Leonard went to donate ***** until they chickened out

Also in the episode with the female scientist that was visiting and staying with them Sheldon lost it when he assumed Penny gave permission to Leonard to date his "friend"

[Frantic Canadian]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

looks like someone is in denial and not just about the show
also someone that does not realize what fear means

Trust me, I do not have a fear of intimacy. And yes, I am fully aware of what "fear" means.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

he was not "comfortable" with Leonard being with his GF, he does not mind Leonard being with anyone else.

You're the one who said that he was jealous, paranoid and suspicious of Leonard. I was just agreeing with you.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

You obviously remember that he did not go to the wedding with Amy, but do you remember what happened right after? he was jealous, paranoid and suspicious of Leonard for going with her.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

He did not understand what "working with her" meant so he did not see it as a step forward in intimacy, which is why he was OK with it at first.

Working with her doesn't mean anything. They'd be working in the same building, and would probably have lunch together, but that's hardly considered a step forward in intimacy. And besides, in "The Vacation Solution", when Sheldon is forced to take a vacation, he decides to spend his vacation working with Amy in her lab.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

And he did go nuts he way, way, way over reacted and insulted the guy because she was eating with him.

He did not way, way, way overreact. He was his usual self. A little jealous, yes, but insulting? No, I don't think so. He was just giving the guy a good natured ribbing. See for yourself.

Amy: And this is Dr. Gunderson from Stockholm.
Sheldon: Aw, Sweden. Home of my favorite Muppet and second favorite meatball. OK. The Nordic reputation for a lack of humor is well founded. Wait. Is his name Gunderson or No-Funderson?
Amy: Where are we going with this, Dr. Cooper?
Sheldon: Oh, please. I’m your boyfriend. Call me Sheldon. That’s right. I’m in a boy-girl relationship with this cute little lump of wool.
Amy: Sheldon.
Sheldon: It is a physical relationship too. Hand holding; hugging; even on hot days. Ow! Here’s an new one. Apparently now we kick each other in the shin under the table. How do you like it when I do it to you? Not so much, huh?

Originally Posted by Anthony P

how do you know how much time passed? how long were they in the arctic or Leonard on the ship?

How do you know how much time has passed? There is no event at the end of the third season, like the group going to the arctic or Leonard working for Hawking, that would denote a required amount of time to pass between seasons. So for all we know it could have been a few days, or it could have been longer.

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

not sure he ever really paid attention. In the first episode Sheldon and Leonard went to donate ***** until they chickened out

Also in the episode with the female scientist that was visiting and staying with them Sheldon lost it when he assumed Penny gave permission to Leonard to date his "friend"

True. But in all fairness, I think the writers pretty much disregarded that after the pilot and pretended it never happened. Many of the comments made by Sheldon and made by others about Sheldon throughout the series indicate that's something he'd never do (even though he did in the first episode). I just chalk that one up to deciding to alter the character slightly after the pilot (something that happens fairly regularly).

But yeah, your comment is completely valid. Iin an attempt to make his points, he's conveniently forgetting an extremely large amount of the series to date.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Not everyone watches LOST. I never did.

[The Edge]

On Lucy's first appearance I didn't care for her. Hated her as time went on. Yvette's recent first appearance, I'm praying she will stay. She's much more normal and would make a good fit for Raj.

[Frantic Canadian]

Originally Posted by bsweetness

It seems like Frantic Canadian really feels like he has a point to prove about Sheldon needing to remain a static cardboard cutout who never changes. I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to continue feeding that, especially when it really seems like he hasn't been paying any real attention to the show since season 4.

Either that or he feels the need to represent the textbook definition of denial in this thread.

I'm not in denial of anything. I don't see Sheldon having a fear of intimacy but you guys do. Maybe you guys see it because you don't relate to Sheldon, but I do. He's got a disinterest and disdain for certain things, but as the series has gone on he's given in and tried them because he cares for Amy. His feelings for Amy have opened him up to trying new things, even if he doesn't care for them. There's a difference between being uncomfortable with something and being afraid of it.

Originally Posted by bsweetness

True. But in all fairness, I think the writers pretty much disregarded that after the pilot and pretended it never happened. Many of the comments made by Sheldon and made by others about Sheldon throughout the series indicate that's something he'd never do (even though he did in the first episode). I just chalk that one up to deciding to alter the character slightly after the pilot (something that happens fairly regularly).

Exactly. A pilot episode is just a blueprint really for how the series will be laid out. Hell, in the original pilot it was revealed that Sheldon had sex with their female friend, during Comic-Con iirc. So you can't really put much weight with happens in a pilot episode.

Originally Posted by bsweetness

But yeah, your comment is completely valid. Iin an attempt to make his points, he's conveniently forgetting an extremely large amount of the series to date.

If you say so. At this point though it's clear that you guys refuse to see what I see and I clearly won't change my opinion either so it's probably best to put this topic to rest and just move on.

Regarding Yvette: I liked her. She seemed really nice and it'd be nice to see Raj in a real relationship for once. Although I'm not a fan of how the show has basically turned into a remake of Friends, I think it's a shame that he still doesn't have a girlfriend. Especially considering that even Sheldon has one. I just hope that Raj having a girlfriend doesn't mean less Stuart.

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by Frantic Canadian

I'm not in denial of anything. I don't see Sheldon having a fear of intimacy but you guys do. Maybe you guys see it because you don't relate to Sheldon, but I do. He's got a disinterest and disdain for certain things, but as the series has gone on he's given in and tried them because he cares for Amy. His feelings for Amy have opened him up to trying new things, even if he doesn't care for them. There's a difference between being uncomfortable with something and being afraid of it.

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If you say so. At this point though it's clear that you guys refuse to see what I see and I clearly won't change my opinion either so it's probably best to put this topic to rest and just move on.

Pretty much everyone sees what you're saying, but based on the events in the show, what you're saying is more than a little off. You're ignoring a lot of things in order to make your points valid, and if you have to leave out half of the series to make your points, then they're really not great points in the first place. You say we refuse to see what you see, but that's not true. We just choose not to leave things out like you do.

You also keep saying that you relate to Sheldon and we don't. To start with, you don't know if that's actually true or not. It's an assumption on your part that's not grounded in anything substantial. But more importantly, that demonstrates that you're letting your personal experiences and the connection you feel with the character cloud your perceptions. That's probably why you think it's ok to ignore half the series - you related to the early Sheldon, but you don't relate as much to the current one, so you're trying to make him relatable for you by ignoring his growth and development and twisting him into what you want him to be. It's fine if you want to do that on a personal level for your own enjoyment of the show, but it's pointless to try to convince others to tag along with you on your view of what Sheldon is when you're ignoring so much of the character in an attempt to bring any validity to what you're saying. The episodes are there. The character development is there. We're not going to ignore it.

At the end of the day, it's a fictional character on a fictional show. Your real world experiences have absolutely no bearing on where the creators choose to take the character, and your real world experiences aren't a gauge for reinterpreting what has happened. It's a funny show. Enjoy it for what it is.

[pmac]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

not sure he ever really paid attention. In the first episode Sheldon and Leonard went to donate ***** until they chickened out

Also in the episode with the female scientist that was visiting and staying with them Sheldon lost it when he assumed Penny gave permission to Leonard to date his "friend"

They didn't chicken out in the unaired pilot If you can find it, it's got similarities but is quite different that the official pilot, with different characters other than Sheldon and Leonard.

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by pmac

They didn't chicken out in the unaired pilot If you can find it, it's got similarities but is quite different that the official pilot, with different characters other than Sheldon and Leonard.

Yeah, the unaired pilot is...interesting.

Of course it seems strange for us to see it after being used to how the show ended up, but so much of it was just horrible. The changes they made were definitely for the better.

[Drewbee87]

I read about the unaired pilot, don't think I'd want to watch it. lol

[pmac]

Kaley Cuoco lookalike: Make the smile a little crooked to the left and she's a dead ringer

[Frantic Canadian]

Originally Posted by bsweetness

You're ignoring a lot of things in order to make your points valid, and if you have to leave out half of the series to make your points, then they're really not great points in the first place. You say we refuse to see what you see, but that's not true. We just choose not to leave things out like you do.

What exactly am I ignoring or leaving out?

Originally Posted by bsweetness

You also keep saying that you relate to Sheldon and we don't. To start with, you don't know if that's actually true or not. It's an assumption on your part that's not grounded in anything substantial.

My comment regarding you guys not relating to Sheldon wasn't intended as a statement, but a question. I apologize if it didn't come across that way. I guess I worded it wrong. What I probably should have said is "Maybe you guys don't relate to Sheldon and that's why you don't see what I see, but I do.".

Originally Posted by bsweetness

But more importantly, that demonstrates that you're letting your personal experiences and the connection you feel with the character cloud your perceptions. That's probably why you think it's ok to ignore half the series - you related to the early Sheldon, but you don't relate as much to the current one, so you're trying to make him relatable for you by ignoring his growth and development and twisting him into what you want him to be. It's fine if you want to do that on a personal level for your own enjoyment of the show, but it's pointless to try to convince others to tag along with you on your view of what Sheldon is when you're ignoring so much of the character in an attempt to bring any validity to what you're saying. The episodes are there. The character development is there. We're not going to ignore it.

I really don't see what I'm ignoring here. My stance is that he doesn't have a fear of intimacy. He may not care for certain things but as the show has gone on he's learned to just accept them and to do them because it makes Amy happy and he cares about her and wants to make her happy. He may not be as open to certain things as most people would be, but that's just because he moves at a slower pace than most people do. He's uncomfortable with certain aspects of intimacy, but it doesn't mean that he has a fear of them. Being uncomfortable and being afraid are two completely different things.

Originally Posted by bsweetness

It's a funny show. Enjoy it for what it is.

It is a funny show and I can't believe we've gone on for this long on this topic. That's partly my fault, because like Sheldon I'm a stubborn s.o.b. I'd rather nobody reply to this because I will feel compelled to reply in return and this conversation will just go on forever. Can we just forget that this topic was ever broached and return to discussing the latest episode?

[Frantic Canadian]

Originally Posted by pmac

Kaley Cuoco lookalike: Make the smile a little crooked to the left and she's a dead ringer

Pretty close. Her eyes are a little too small, but otherwise she looks pretty much like her.

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Frantic Canadian

What exactly am I ignoring or leaving out?



My comment regarding you guys not relating to Sheldon wasn't intended as a statement, but a question. I apologize if it didn't come across that way. I guess I worded it wrong. What I probably should have said is "Maybe you guys don't relate to Sheldon and that's why you don't see what I see, but I do.".




I really don't see what I'm ignoring here. My stance is that he doesn't have a fear of intimacy. He may not care for certain things but as the show has gone on he's learned to just accept them and to do them because it makes Amy happy and he cares about her and wants to make her happy. He may not be as open to certain things as most people would be, but that's just because he moves at a slower pace than most people do. He's uncomfortable with certain aspects of intimacy, but it doesn't mean that he has a fear of them. Being uncomfortable and being afraid are two completely different things.



It is a funny show and I can't believe we've gone on for this long on this topic. That's partly my fault, because like Sheldon I'm a stubborn s.o.b. I'd rather nobody reply to this because I will feel compelled to reply in return and this conversation will just go on forever. Can we just forget that this topic was ever broached and return to discussing the latest episode?

Samuel L. Jackson says "Hell No!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Not everyone watches LOST. I never did.

Your point?

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Not everyone watches LOST. I never did.

A bunch of people crash on an island, bunch of weird shit happens for 6 season and then a crappy ending makes it all pointless. I just saved you a lot of time. You are welcome.

[Drewbee87]

@SquidPuppet, You replied to me

It's Ben Linus' daughter from LOST.

I don't watch Lost, so I have no idea who you are talking about...