The Incredibles (2004)

[d514]

Originally Posted by celticmoon

And I would argue that the Toy Story films, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Ratatouille, and WALL-E are all better than Up, which many, in turn, would argue is the best Pixar film. Hmmm....

I agree. Up Is ok but I like all the others you mentioned more. Up has this one great scene at the beginning and after that it's all downhill.

I think the Incredibles has the most potential for a sequel. The movie really seems like a pilot or origin story.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

So, anyway -- when do you think the film will be set -- Dash an older teenager, Violet a young woman, and the Parrs struggling with the off ramp of middle age?

Wait. Didn't the original end with a cliff hanger?
Some villain named Underminer comes from underground, right? Does anyone think the sequel will continue from there?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Wait. Didn't the original end with a cliff hanger?
Some villain named Underminer comes from underground, right? Does anyone think the sequel will continue from there?

No but I have a sneaky suspicion well see him at the very end of the second film.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

I certainly hope there's been a progression of time; not as much as Toy Story 3, but a few years at least. She was - 13? - in The Incredibles, so maybe Vi is about to graduate, putting Dash at 15 if it's five years later. Bob was already having struggles with being a super in the first, so he and Helen would have to struggle with being five years older and the dilemma of, do we keep this up? Or do we kind of step back a little and hand it over to the younger generation?

That's a good plot. +1

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

No but I have a sneaky suspicion well see him at the very end of the second film.

What do you mean?
Underminer and The Incredibles are about to fight at the end of the first one.

So can't the sequel take place during their battle, and then simply jump three to five to seven years? That's the beauty of animation; no aging actors.

[celticmoon]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

What do you mean?
Underminer and The Incredibles are about to fight at the end of the first one.

So can't the sequel take place during their battle, and then simply jump three to five to seven years? That's the beauty of animation; no aging actors.

It's set up as a "cliffhanger," but I'd hesitate to consider it an actual cliffhanger. It had no bearing on the plot other than to show in a fun way that "The Incredibles" are now back in the superhero game in full force. I'm not against your idea, but I honestly don't think the Underminer needs to be addressed at all in the sequel. I like the timeskip idea though.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by celticmoon

It's set up as a "cliffhanger," but I'd hesitate to consider it an actual cliffhanger. It had no bearing on the plot other than to show in a fun way that "The Incredibles" are now back in the superhero game in full force. I'm not against your idea, but I honestly don't think the Underminer needs to be addressed at all in the sequel. I like the timeskip idea though.

You don't have a threatening villain with a John Ratzenberger voice.
If he's back at all, it'll be as a self-conscious running gag, for a lower-tier villain who's "still at it" since just can't get noticed as much as the big guys.

(What, you thought he was going to be the PLOT, just because they ended the punchline on him? This isn't Back to the Future, here.)

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

I certainly hope there's been a progression of time; not as much as Toy Story 3, but a few years at least. She was - 13? - in The Incredibles, so maybe Vi is about to graduate, putting Dash at 15 if it's five years later. Bob was already having struggles with being a super in the first, so he and Helen would have to struggle with being five years older and the dilemma of, do we keep this up? Or do we kind of step back a little and hand it over to the younger generation?

Since it's likely the superhero "ban" has now been lifted, they'll be consulting on new "younger generation" trainees (there hasn't been any for the last few years in the first movie, and things may have happened in the interim), and knowing Pixar...we'll get NEW heroes into the mix.
They're not Dreamworks and they don't do sequels with all old characters.

At least, that's the good part.
The bad part is, every time there's a sequel to a comedy or adventure about a happily married couple, the sequel has to "up the ante" by having some subplot come dangerously close to breaking up their marriage (there were already troubles in the first movie) so they can wind up back together by the end, and ends up cranky, arguing and depressing the entire audience for most of the middle of the movie. (What I refer to as the "Jewel of the Nile" factor.)
That's sort of the main reason why I HAVEN'T been excited about the lost mythical "Incredibles sequel", and have opened up my cold, impartial comic-fan drooling to wondering what Disney's going to do with Big Hero 6 instead. At least they're not married.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by EricJ

... The bad part is, every time there's a sequel to a comedy or adventure about a happily married couple, the sequel has to "up the ante" by having some subplot come dangerously close to breaking up their marriage (there were already troubles in the first movie) so they can wind up back together by the end, and ends up cranky, arguing and depressing the entire audience for most of the middle of the movie. (What I refer to as the "Jewel of the Nile" factor.) ...

Oh, crap! Let's hope not!!!

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

What do you mean?
Underminer and The Incredibles are about to fight at the end of the first one.

So can't the sequel take place during their battle, and then simply jump three to five to seven years? That's the beauty of animation; no aging actors.

Just aging voice actors.

[Danchez]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Just aging voice actors.

True, except 3 out of the 4 Parr family members (Craig T. Nelson, Holly Hunter, and Sarah Vowell) don't have to worry about that problem, since they were all fully-grown adults when they worked on The Incredibles.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by EricJ

The bad part is, every time there's a sequel to a comedy or adventure about a happily married couple, the sequel has to "up the ante" by having some subplot come dangerously close to breaking up their marriage (there were already troubles in the first movie) so they can wind up back together by the end, and ends up cranky, arguing and depressing the entire audience for most of the middle of the movie. (What I refer to as the "Jewel of the Nile" factor.)
That's sort of the main reason why I HAVEN'T been excited about the lost mythical "Incredibles sequel", and have opened up my cold, impartial comic-fan drooling to wondering what Disney's going to do with Big Hero 6 instead. At least they're not married.

I'm sure most would say a natural progression for the sequel would be to see how a return to superheroics would affect Bob and Helen's relationship, but yeah, we've already been there, done that with the first. Albeit in different circumstances, i.e. Bob being a superhero in secret; but point is, the Bob and Helen relationship problems were already explored in the first.

Brad Bird is a talented guy, I don't think he (and Pixar) would go with the obvious. They'd find fresher, better ways to further explore the relationship between Bob and Helen that goes beyond, "We are having marriage problems because of being superheroes."

As an extension of my last post, if the film focused on handing over the duties to the younger generation, that would naturally call for a larger focus on Vi and Dash. So you could have Bob and Helen's relationship with Vi and Dash be more at the forefront. Meaning their problems stem more from Vi and Dash becoming full-fledged supers versus going over the same ground with marriage problems.

They're parents, so it would be interesting to explore those themes of kind of stepping back and letting the baby birds fly on their own. Bob and Helen naturally wouldn't be completely comfortable with hanging up their super suits and leaving it to the kids. Not because they don't trust them or think they can't handle it, but because, well, they're parents, and when they're all together as The Incredibles, Bob and Helen are right there to look out for and protect their kids. But at the same time, they're older, slower, they can't keep up with the newer, younger supers. So you have that conflict of, "I can't be in the field with my kids anymore, but what if they get hurt and I'm not there?"

I think there's a lot of possibility in that. The Incredibles, like all Pixar films, touch on universal, easily identifiable themes. I'm sure anyone in the world can point to a character or a scene or a feeling from a Pixar movie and go, "I know what that's like." So that parent-child relationship in a movie about a family of superheroes is natural and was there in the first. What parent can't relate to being worried and protective over their child going out into the world on their own? Not a retread of Finding Nemo, just a natural theme that comes out of a film that is, at its most basic core, about family.

[PeterTHX]

Has everyone forgotten about Jack Jack?

It would seem he has a crazy-huge variety of powers to explore. He could even conceivably be a threat since he can't really control anything yet.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

They're parents, so it would be interesting to explore those themes of kind of stepping back and letting the baby birds fly on their own. Bob and Helen naturally wouldn't be completely comfortable with hanging up their super suits and leaving it to the kids. Not because they don't trust them or think they can't handle it, but because, well, they're parents, and when they're all together as The Incredibles, Bob and Helen are right there to look out for and protect their kids. But at the same time, they're older, slower, they can't keep up with the newer, younger supers. So you have that conflict of, "I can't be in the field with my kids anymore, but what if they get hurt and I'm not there?"
Not a retread of Finding Nemo, just a natural theme that comes out of a film that is, at its most basic core, about family.

Speaking of Pixar, Finding Nemo and sequels, let's remember that Pixar DOESN'T LIKE sequels (leave your Cars 2 whining at the door, even they're not proud of it), and, unlike a certain other franchise-hungry CGI studio, tries to make their sequels into completely different artistic entities that can stand on their own as self-contained hits.
Even when legal entanglements literally forced them to make Toy Story 3, Monsters U and Finding Dory, they were creative enough to be not exactly what the audience saw coming--Mike & Sulley didn't go out to rescue Boo again, we got to see them at college. Marlon doesn't go out to find Nemo again, we follow Dory's side of the story. Even TS 2 and 3 brought in entire new casts of major characters, and dealt with the potential end of the characters' stories.
Leaving aside the "apology" Cars 3, this is the first sequel out of four that they've actually wanted to do, and they're not just going to slop over it.

The desperately armchair fanboys saying "See, they ended with the Underminer and Jack-Jack, so that's probably where they're going to start! " would not last five sorry minutes in the Pixar Brain Trust.
Which is why I'm going with the "Put in charge of training semi-talented new recruits" theory until we hear different (ie. think a sort of Pixar-ized X-Men: First Class by way of Mystery Men; livens up the powers a bit, and gives Edna something to do), and that the Universal Huggy Pixar Truth is going to be about the old heroes facing the end of their generation, including their own generation of kids, while passing along the old ideals that made the old-school Great. If you actually watch Pixar movies, you start to get a feel for these things after a while.

[thebard]

Originally Posted by EricJ

I see it's "In development", and I see they've hired a writer. Call me when they have a trailer.

Originally Posted by EricJ

Speaking of Pixar, Finding Nemo and sequels,

[Show spoiler] let's remember that Pixar DOESN'T LIKE sequels (leave your Cars 2 whining at the door, even they're not proud of it), and, unlike a certain other franchise-hungry CGI studio, tries to make their sequels into completely different artistic entities that can stand on their own as self-contained hits.
Even when legal entanglements literally forced them to make Toy Story 3, Monsters U and Finding Dory, they were creative enough to be not exactly what the audience saw coming--Mike & Sulley didn't go out to rescue Boo again, we got to see them at college. Marlon doesn't go out to find Nemo again, we follow Dory's side of the story. Even TS 2 and 3 brought in entire new casts of major characters, and dealt with the potential end of the characters' stories.

Leaving aside the "apology" Cars 3, this is the first sequel out of four that they've actually wanted to do, and they're not just going to slop over it.

The desperately armchair fanboys saying "See, they ended with the Underminer and Jack-Jack, so that's probably where they're going to start! " would not last five sorry minutes in the Pixar Brain Trust.
Which is why

[Show spoiler]I'm going with the "Put in charge of training semi-talented new recruits" theory until we hear different (ie. think a sort of Pixar-ized X-Men: First Class by way of Mystery Men; livens up the powers a bit, and gives Edna something to do), and that the Universal Huggy Pixar Truth is going to be about the old heroes facing the end of their generation, including their own generation of kids, while passing along the old ideals that made the old-school Great. If you actually watch Pixar movies, you start to get a feel for these things after a while.

I'm sorry, I don't remember someone calling you...
Does this mean you've accepted that a sequel is coming?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by thebard

I'm sorry, I don't remember someone calling you...
Does this mean you've accepted that a sequel is coming?

Coming could mean YEARS, but at least if they've hired a writer, we can assume they're edging past the "Look, we don't even have a story yet, okay?" stage by now, that they've been in for twelve years.

[kenny3001]

Im guessing the new Render might Replace the old Disney logo like the 3D renders of Cars' monsters inc ,finding nemo and Toy story.

[spidy]

I don't think the Underminer would be a great choice for a villain. The first movie ended that way years ago but if they wanted to pick up where they left off he could have a very minor part in the intro of the movie without having to have the main plot around him. Remember that "Bomb-Voyage" was also a villain in the movie who was only on screen for a minute or so.

Looking forward to seeing this one. Too bad there's no Pixar movie this year. I enjoyed the first Cars movie, the second was OK, but since there is only one Pixar movie per year I'm disappointed there is going to be a third Cars movie instead of something else.

[Rinzler]

Originally Posted by spidy

I don't think the Underminer would be a great choice for a villain. The first movie ended that way years ago but if they wanted to pick up where they left off he could have a very minor part in the intro of the movie without having to have the main plot around him. Remember that "Bomb-Voyage" was also a villain in the movie who was only on screen for a minute or so.

Looking forward to seeing this one. Too bad there's no Pixar movie this year. I enjoyed the first Cars movie, the second was OK, but since there is only one Pixar movie per year I'm disappointed there is going to be a third Cars movie instead of something else.

An opening action scene where they fight him would be great, then a fast-forward to present day, with the kids grown up and the adults older, perhaps showing they aren't as close together as they were at the end of the first film and the beginning of this film fighting him off.

[kenny3001]

anyways do any of you expect that the incredibles will be re-rendered to 4K resolution for the 3D re-release

[Riddler95]

Since the 10th Anniversary is coming up in November there would probably be a re-release of the Blu-Ray right?