PS3 outsells 360 in Australia

[cpgator]

Originally Posted by Mooka-One

erm....why was my post deleted?

Because you suck.

[Mooka-One]

Originally Posted by cpgator

Because you suck.

[camper]

I'd be curious to know if the PS3 is selling more as a blu ray player, or more as a gaming console.

Every month I look in the back of the Game Informer, and it lists the top games sold by console and the Wii and the 360 seem to dominate. Games on the PS2 even seem to do as well if not better than the PS3, but I don't know if they're exclusive or not. I do take a quick tally to see if games are exclusive or not, but CoD4 seems to outsell the PS3 on the 360 pretty consistently. Same on Army of 2.

Not that I think that the 'attach rate' or lack of one means one system is better than another, I'm just curious to know if people are going the PS3 route more for a BD player than a game console.

Best Buy is always offering the 'combo' on the TV, including the PS3 in a setup along with a movie or two (I see movies included more often than games) and I'm really curious to know if the same is going on in Australia.

I think the PS3 is an oddity, in the sense that it is a gaming console which is a very capable and respectable BD player. So it's hard to really gauge whether people buying it are doing so for use as a BD player, a gaming console, or both. The Wii and 360 are obviously gaming first, and that's an easy comparison to see who is outselling who.

Whereas that line with the PS3 is a bit more blurry. I understand that the PS3 outselling the 360 is still outselling the 360; and I really don't care if it is or isn't since that won't make me like one more or the other less. I just would like to know what the primary reason for the sales bump is: For gaming, or BD capabilities.

~Camper

[quexos]

Originally Posted by demiscy

does anyone know whats the status OFFICIALLY in USA?
how is the precentage going for PS3 opposite 360 and wii ?

According to VGChartz you have 5 million PS3's sold in North America vs 12 million 360's ...

The way things are going now, those figures should be much more tight by Christmas

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by cpgator

most people who want a 360 already own one since it has been out for so long.

No successful console ever peaked as early as people making this claim require the 360 to have done.

No successful console ever sold less units in its second year as its first year (the 360 did).

In short, it's ludicrous when people try to claim "Well of course the 360 sales are slowing down and PS3 sales are speeding up".

Believe me, Microsoft's game studio is having meetings this very minute discussion the future of the division, as they are petrified to the core about what they can possibly be doing wrong that the 360 is failing. Not in the Xbox sense, but it is not a pretty picture for them.

I mean, the PS3 is selling terribly, undisputed fact, yet the PS3 is still selling faster than the 360 did, and is selling faster than it is.

When the PS4 or Xbox 720 or whatever comes out, they will also beginning selling more than the current offerings. That is how this stuff works.

That is not at all how the Xbox to 360 transition occurred. This is not how Microsoft transitions work at all. They can't stop the prior version from existing, but they sure can pretend it doesn't exist and stop 95% of all support.

[PS3-Playb3yond]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

Believe me, Microsoft's game studio is having meetings this very minute discussion the future of the division, as they are petrified to the core about what they can possibly be doing wrong that the 360 is failing. Not in the Xbox sense, but it is not a pretty picture for them.

Well, they've had meeting before. They've admitted about the Red Ring of Death problem and still haven't found a solution to it.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by camper

I'd be curious to know if the PS3 is selling more as a blu ray player, or more as a gaming console.

Every month I look in the back of the Game Informer, and it lists the top games sold by console and the Wii and the 360 seem to dominate. ~Camper

If there are 50% more 360s out there then don't 360 s/w sales have to dominate? And Wii even moreso? That seems obvious.

If a major game comes out you have to look at the sales ratio then compare it to the install base ratio:

Roughly 18MM 360s to 12MM PS3 worldwide... so 1.5 times as many. So if a game comes out and worldwide sells 1.2 times more on the 360 then the PS3 version actually sold better than expected versus the 360 version. You can't expect s/w to somehow outsell its h/w base.

In the U.S. market only, the ratio is even more skewed. Anytime a game fails to sell twice as much in the U.S. on 360 then it has failed essentially.

[cpgator]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

If there are 50% more 360s out there then don't 360 s/w sales ahve to dominate? And Wii even moreso? That seems obvious.

If a major game comes out you have to look at the sales ratio then compare it to the install base ratio:

Roughly 18MM 360s to 12MM PS3 worldwide... so 1.5 times as many. So if a game comes out and worldwide sells 1.2 times more on the 360 then the PS3 version actually sold better than expected versus the 360 version. You can't expect s/w to somehow outsell its h/w base.

In the U.S. market only, the ratio is even more skewed. Anytime a game fails to sell twice as much in the U.S. on 360 then it has failed essentially.

What you say is true, but I think it also has to do with people using it for just a BD player - which isn't a bad thing. I have 2 PS3, and have only purchased 2 games because they are mainly used for watching movies - and because games are so freaking expensive. I think there are a lot of people who purchased the PS3 with no intentions of playing games - they bought it because it was the cheapest BD player available. Anyone who bought a 360 did so just to play games.

[mightypen]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

If there are 50% more 360s out there then don't 360 s/w sales ahve to dominate? And Wii even moreso? That seems obvious.

If a major game comes out you have to look at the sales ratio then compare it to the install base ratio:

Roughly 18MM 360s to 12MM PS3 worldwide... so 1.5 times as many. So if a game comes out and worldwide sells 1.2 times more on the 360 then the PS3 version actually sold better than expected versus the 360 version. You can't expect s/w to somehow outsell its h/w base.

In the U.S. market only, the ratio is even more skewed. Anytime a game fails to sell twice as much in the U.S. on 360 then it has failed essentially.

Game sales don't scale linearly. By your metric, quite a few million sellers on the ps2 are epic failures.

[camper]

Per Wikipedia, systems sold (per most recent count they list):

PS2: 127 mil
Wii: 24 mil
360: 18 mil
PS3: 12 mil

Obviously, the PS2 will have the most since it's been out the longest and is still being sold. And, I think it's popularity is primarily with gamers because few would buy it for it's DVD player capability.

Wii is popular among gamers AS WELL AS non-gamers--they're in old-folks homes for crying out loud, and my 50+ year old female boss considered getting one after trying out her neice's at Christmas.

360 is obviously gamers or those who want a MS media extender (extremely small market for the extender, IMHO).

PS3 is gamers AS WELL AS non-gamers that want a BD player.

The fact that the 360 is close in line with the Wii and surpasses the PS2 (strictly going by numbers) is then remarkable. As would the PS3 being in the top 20 on the same list.

That doesn't take into account that many people have multiple combinations of all the above systems. I've got a PS2 & 360, a friend has a PS2, PS3, 360 & Wii, and others here have one or more as well.

Even here on this board, and going just by the sigs, there are a good many PS3 users who have 1 or no games at all--they're using it primarily as a BD player.

Also, sales of the 360 will continue to slow if there is only a total possible market of 24 mil like it's predecessor--while the PS3 sales will rise even if all games stop being produced for it today since it is still an excellent BD player.

I'm not trying to start (or continue) some sort of contest as to what's a better console, because I think that's ultimately pointless. I'm only wondering how much in sales of the PS3 is due to it being a BD player rather than a game console. I know the PS3 does both exceptionally well, and it's a great system. I wouldn't argue otherwise. If I wanted another BD player for another room, it's on the short list and would most likely be the choice I'd go with (since I'd be picking up a receiver for there too).

So I can't help but wonder if the BD playing capability skews the numbers as far as selling as a game console. During the 'war' the HD DVD side wanted the sales numbers cut because the PS3 was a game console and not really a BD player, while numerous people here wanted it counted because it's a BD player. Now the opposite seems to be true, where the PS3 gamer crowd wants the numbers to show that it's a better game console while ignoring the appeal as a BD player.

I'm simply questioning the logic that if it sells more, than that means it's a better game console than the 360. I know there are MS & Sony sheep on either end that will declare with all the finality in the universe that their console reigns supreme, but I still say it's all personal preference.

I think the PS3 will most certainly outsell the 360, reason and logic dictate it will. It's more versatile since it does gaming and BD playback exceptionally well. But to keep beating that dead horse, I'd still like to see games vs bd player stats as to the reason it was bought.

~Camper

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by mightypen

Game sales don't scale linearly. By your metric, quite a few million sellers on the ps2 are epic failures.

PS2 is a very old system. It's well past the part of the curve where sales taper off. You can't ignore that and pretend your point is valid.

[camper]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

PS2 is a very old system. It's well past the part of the curve where sales taper off. You can't ignore that and pretend your point is valid.

Actually, because it's so old and past the curve I find it remarkable that ANY game for the PS2 makes the top 20.

~Camper

[Terjyn]

If the PS3 was truly selling strictly because of the Blu-Ray side of it, GTA4 would not have sold like it did for PS3.

The console is dominated by people who use it for both. Only a rare minority buys it for just movies, and a larger minority for just games.

This is the same thing HD DVDers were trying to claim.

HD DVD: PS3 sales don't really count, people only buy it because it's a game system.
360: PS3 sales don't really count, people only buy it because it's a Blu-Ray player.

The number of people actually buying the movies and games show that both of the above are skewed badly.

[drago3451]

I bought my XBOX 360 for games.
I bought my PS3 for movies.
I do not like the controller for the PS3 so if I have a choice I prefer the same game on the 360 (GTA4 for example). its all a matter of opinion.

[mightypen]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

PS2 is a very old system. It's well past the part of the curve where sales taper off. You can't ignore that and pretend your point is valid.

That would certainly be a foolish argument to compare the ps2 gamesales of 2007-2008 to anything. Indeed, I was referring to ps2 sales of its heyday, say around the 2004-2005 era. I thought that would be obvious, but I guess not.

[camper]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

HD DVD: PS3 sales don't really count, people only buy it because it's a game system.
360: PS3 sales don't really count, people only buy it because it's a Blu-Ray player.

The number of people actually buying the movies and games show that both of the above are skewed badly.

That was my point, in defense of BD people claimed (and they did so here) that the PS3 was a blu ray player. Now, they're claiming it's a game system.

That's why I'm curious about the numbers, because I only want the facts. GTA4 though, that's a good indicator of how many people are buying games. In the first 5 days it sold 1.85 mil on the 360, and 1 mil on the PS3. Of course, that could be skewed again because the native resolution for the PS3 is 640P while it's 720p on the 360, so those who have both consoles may go the 360 route for the higher resolution. I really don't have any interest in the game (I like the style, but I don't like playing murdering drug dealers--crazy, I know ) but it is one of the best selling games out there right now and is a good indicator of sales.

And since Buckeye mentioned that the 360 has 1.5 more units sold than the PS3 and should therefore have that many games sold, it seems the 360 sold closer to twice what the PS3 did. But like I mentioned, that could be the graphics difference brought into play. Of course, what matters is what the ratio is today, and I have no idea what that could be. It could be 6 mil on the PS3 and 3 mil on the 360; I just don't know.

Unfortunately, I don't know if there even is a way to find out why most people got the PS3, but a PS3 user will be more inclined to try either the BD or gaming if they bought it for the opposite reason.

Either way, the PS3 definfiely helped get BD players into the home and that alone makes it a great thing.

~Camper

[AliceT]

Originally Posted by drago3451

I bought my XBOX 360 for games.
I bought my PS3 for movies.
I do not like the controller for the PS3 so if I have a choice I prefer the same game on the 360 (GTA4 for example). its all a matter of opinion.

Thats basically what i do. I only own 3 ps3 games. Motorstorm, because when i exchanged my 20gb for a 80gb, it came free with it. Lair, because I like dragons, and Ninja Gaiden because I loved the game on Xbox.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by mightypen

That would certainly be a foolish argument to compare the ps2 gamesales of 2007-2008 to anything. Indeed, I was referring to ps2 sales of its heyday, say around the 2004-2005 era. I thought that would be obvious, but I guess not.

Still the linear scaling is a better model than anythign else we have, and between 360 & PS3 it should work quite well actually consider the type of gamer is fairly similar. It wouldn't work comparing the same game across PS3 and say Wii becaus ethe types of gamers are so different.

It's a hard sell to say that the 360 & PS3 gamer base is so different that linear comparison don't work well. Make that case and I'll listen, but I bet you can't.

[mightypen]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Still the linear scaling is a better model than anythign else we have, and between 360 & PS3 it should work quite well actually consider the type of gamer is fairly similar. It wouldn't work comparing the same game across PS3 and say Wii becaus ethe types of gamers are so different.

It's a hard sell to say that the 360 & PS3 gamer base is so different that linear comparison don't work well. Make that case and I'll listen, but I bet you can't.

Which games historically have sold according to a linear model, say within +/-5%?

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by mightypen

Which games historically have sold according to a linear model, say within +/-5%?

Most of the major games on both PS3 and 360 have been fairly in line with the install base split. You also have to make some adjustment for people who own multiple consoles or have bought replacements... both that's really an adjustment to the install base anyway.