Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Wildcat2000

I can’t believe some still find trained raptors so ridiculous.

If we can somewhat train lions and other animals in real life surely dinosaurs cloned by humans can be trained to a certain extent in a sci-fi movie.

Cloning is very believable...but training the animal we created?! Too far guys.

*sigh*

The whole point and theme of the movies, at least until Jurassic World came out, is that you can't tame or control nature. Specially nature that is not from our time and that we are completely ignorant about. It was also established that raptors in particular are too dangerous and intelligent to be controlled (hence Grant's shock when he learns that they are on of the species being bred), let alone be tamed. Yet these new movies trump over all that build up and established danger for pandering fan fiction of pet raptors, team-up action sequences and money shots...

"Oh, but it's not really tamed, not all the time". That's beside the point.

[Blu Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Roonan

*sigh*

The whole point and theme of the movies, at least until Jurassic World came out, is that you can't tame or control nature. Specially nature that is not from our time and that we are completely ignorant about. It was also established that raptors in particular are too dangerous and intelligent to be controlled (hence Grant's shock when he learns that they are on of the species being bred), let alone be tamed. Yet these new movies trump over all that build up and established danger for pandering fan fiction of pet raptors, team-up action sequences and money shots...

"Oh, but it's not really tamed, not all the time". That's beside the point.

But how would Grant know that? Until they were cloned we didn't know anything about their behavior....it was all conjecture.

[Hardback247]

Why do people very often use the term "fan fiction" to refer to a sequel they don't like?

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Why do people very often use the term "fan fiction" to refer to a sequel they don't like?

Because they're convinced they could do a better, more professional job themselves. At least that's the implication.

[Cremildo]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Why do people very often use the term "fan fiction" to refer to a sequel they don't like?

Because they're childish and can't accept that the filmmakers don't think like them.

[Himmel]

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[Zillamon51]

Training raptors like Owen does, a tenuous relationship between man and intelligent animal, doesn't bother me.

Raptors in the military is flat-out stupid. They would be far more expensive to grow and train than simply recruiting more human soldiers, but far more likely to go off the rails than either soldiers or drones. Army raptors is a SyFy Original Movie, not a legit JP sequel.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Zillamon51

Training raptors like Owen does, a tenuous relationship between man and intelligent animal, doesn't bother me.

Raptors in the military is flat-out stupid. They would be far more expensive to grow and train than simply recruiting more human soldiers, but far more likely to go off the rails than either soldiers or drones. Army raptors is a SyFy Original Movie, not a legit JP sequel.

You're WAY over-thinking this, IMO.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

You're WAY over-thinking this, IMO.

If anything, the film is underthinking it. I'm not expecting total scientific accuracy or plausibility (if I did, I'd be *****ing about feathers), but I do expect them to give at least a single shit. JP1 based its dinosaurs and science on reasonable extensions of the then-current scientific consensus, and once you got over the idea of "dinosaur theme park," nothing in the film felt too implausible. It took the premise seriously.

JW did not take its premise seriously. The park did not feel like a real place, instead coming across as a loosely-defined space that exists solely to dispense expensive-looking setpieces, most of which make very little sense. Why would the hamster balls both allow guests to freely control their path and not automatically return to the ride entrance in the event of a lockdown? Why would anyone think the Indominus escaped from its habitat when all they can see is that the door is scratched up and no one outside the habitat noticed it climbing out?

Why would they train raptors for combat when it's extremely cost-inefficient and obviously unreliable?

The filmmakers assumed that it can get away with not making sense because it's just a monster movie, and that the audience won't care either way. And perhaps they assumed correctly, considering how much money the film made. But considering how the original film never devolved to such lows, it's a real slap in the face to its legacy. And from what I've seen of Fallen Kingdom, it looks like it's going to be more of the same.

[AaronJ]

I dunno. I think of them as different entities anyway. The original film was based on a well-researched, well-written book. These films are just supposed to be fun. And the first one, for me anyway, was lots of fun.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

I dunno. I think of them as different entities anyway. The original film was based on a well-researched, well-written book. These films are just supposed to be fun. And the first one, for me anyway, was lots of fun.

You can be fun while still being plausible and respectful of the audience's intelligence. I understand you enjoyed JW, but for me, it wasn't fun. It felt condescending and lazy, like no one on the project actually cared about the film and just phoned it in because they knew it would make money anyway.

[Wildcat2000]

Complaining a 4th entry in a series is too over the top is pretty unfair. Any first part of a movie series is going to be the most serious because it’s only about 1 idea. You have to allow sequels to do different things and turn into other stories.

I don’t think anything in JW was too ridiculous to believe. It still very much shows humans thinking they can control dinosaurs but can’t.

I loved the actual JW park. The futuristic design and open attractions were great imo.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Himmel

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[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Why do people very often use the term "fan fiction" to refer to a sequel they don't like?

"Don't like"?! I don't like a lot of things, but my criticism is not mere 'dislike'. I call it fan fiction in this case precisely because it's exactly the type of idea (some) fans dream about.

Originally Posted by Cremildo

Because they're childish and can't accept that the filmmakers don't think like them.

One could argue that pet raptors and other stuff is exactly the kind of stuff children wish for. But sure, let's pretend that those that criticize are the childish ones.

[Himmel]

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[Himmel]

Josh Gad has seen Fallen Kingdom, and has this to say.....

[Show spoiler]

I may or may not have seen a certain upcoming Dinosaur movie with the guy from Parks and Rec and the girl from Black Mirror but if I did, I was blown away.

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/2412061/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-has-screened-heres-what-josh-gad-thinks

[Groot]

I just spent too much money buying tie-in pop cans, brickheadz and figures from this movie.

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Why do people very often use the term "fan fiction" to refer to a sequel they don't like?

Narcissism...

[Groot]

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[RalphoR]

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