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Old 11-28-2009, 04:35 AM   #21
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What did you think of the overall transfer abacab?
I liked the transfer and thought it had a film like quality to it. It was sufficiently grainy and I did not notice any of the DNR signs (smearing, ghosting etc.) and detail was decent. The rescued footage is obviously different quality and does stand out. However, I'd rather have the option of watching it than not at all. In the end, I am quite pleased with my 12.99 purchase.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:19 AM   #22
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Is it just me, or is this audio sync on the scene with the mayor at the end of film discussing the motivations for the killer with the chief way out of whack? I can't tell if it's simply bad dubbing in the movie or the delay I set on my receiver.

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I think it's the movie, it's only that one scene and I noticed it as well. I think it was probably the fact they must have ADR'd his dialogue and it wasn't perfect.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:22 AM   #23
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i think it's the movie, it's only that one scene and i noticed it as well. I think it was probably the fact they must have adr'd his dialogue and it wasn't perfect.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:24 AM   #24
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I liked the transfer and thought it had a film like quality to it. It was sufficiently grainy and I did not notice any of the DNR signs (smearing, ghosting etc.) and detail was decent. The rescued footage is obviously different quality and does stand out. However, I'd rather have the option of watching it than not at all. In the end, I am quite pleased with my 12.99 purchase.
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:29 AM   #25
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Not sure I see the DNR you speak of. Care to point to a good example?
Sure, but it's not a matter of what you see, it's what you don't see. As I implied in my post, during the entire main theatrical feature -- any non-deleted scene -- the film grain is much less visible than it is during any deleted scene. Check it out.

In the deleted scenes you can also see much more dirt and the colours and constrast are hugely different from the rest of the film. It looks as though digital processing has been applied unevenly.

I'm guessing that DNR in particular was applied unevenly, which would account for the differences in visible grain.

Another theory would be that the film elements of the deleted scenes were originally grainier than the rest.

Anyway, it's too bad that the deleted scenes didn't receive the same attention as the rest of the film, esp. since they can be played seamlessly with the latter. It would've been nice to have a more consistent look throughout.

Overall, a keeper but not up to the standard of Cujo (either b/c of differences in state of the film elements, use of digital processing or both).
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Old 11-30-2009, 03:46 PM   #26
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Sure, but it's not a matter of what you see, it's what you don't see. As I implied in my post, during the entire main theatrical feature -- any non-deleted scene -- the film grain is much less visible than it is during any deleted scene. Check it out.

In the deleted scenes you can also see much more dirt and the colours and constrast are hugely different from the rest of the film. It looks as though digital processing has been applied unevenly.

I'm guessing that DNR in particular was applied unevenly, which would account for the differences in visible grain.

Another theory would be that the film elements of the deleted scenes were originally grainier than the rest.

Anyway, it's too bad that the deleted scenes didn't receive the same attention as the rest of the film, esp. since they can be played seamlessly with the latter. It would've been nice to have a more consistent look throughout.

Overall, a keeper but not up to the standard of Cujo (either b/c of differences in state of the film elements, use of digital processing or both).
That isn't evidence of DNR. The reason the deleted scenes are grainier is because the elements they are taken from are not as good as the rest of the film. Excised scenes like that were usually treated like shit. Many movies from that 80s that were cut had said cut scenes disappear for good. For example Friday the 13th Part 7's deleted scenes only exist on low quality VHS afaik.
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:04 PM   #27
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That isn't evidence of DNR. The reason the deleted scenes are grainier is because the elements they are taken from are not as good as the rest of the film. Excised scenes like that were usually treated like shit. Many movies from that 80s that were cut had said cut scenes disappear for good. For example Friday the 13th Part 7's deleted scenes only exist on low quality VHS afaik.
Like I said, that would be another theory.

It's a pity the producers of the disc couldn't fix up the deleted scenes better than they did. Depending on the state of the footage it might not be possible to improve it much; who knows? OTOH with all these advanced digital tools they're supposed to be able to tweak the appearance of grain, colour, contrast and the rest.

As for the rest of the film, it isn't always possible to tell by looking whether DNR was used. I'm just guessing. The theatrical bits don't seem to me to be up to the level of detail I'm starting to expect and the grain seems weird to me (thinking by way of contrast now of ultra-detailed and naturally grainy titles from the same period e.g. Friday 13th Pt 2, Cujo, Baron Munchausen). Clearly, 35mm film and Blu-ray are easily capable of capturing more detail than I can see on this disc. One explanation is that in this particular film it was never there in the first place; another is that some of it was removed later.


Still, a basically decent-looking disc, a great flick and I'm definitely keeping my copy!

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Old 12-01-2009, 11:58 PM   #28
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The extra footage added in looks awful but the movie without it looks great.
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:52 PM   #29
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Yes, in fact my disc seems to go out of sync in about 30 mins of play...can skip a chapter and it seems to correct for just a little bit then stats to go out of sync again. I am hoping this is not an equipment problem, but just a setting such as setting default to 24fps. I am new to BD so any suggestions are well received.

This disc is lagging, none others in my collection seem to do this?

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My copy won't play in my ps3 anymore. I think I will try to see if it will play in my nephew's ps3. Anyone else having this problem?
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Just purchased this used for $4.97 looks new but for some reason the disc is skipping and is having trouble playing the special features now. What's the problem here with the PS3 not playing this title correctly?
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sorry that I'm reviving a pretty dead thread...but can anyone on here tell me whether or not the Canadian BD of this movie from Maple Studios is region free too? I just want to make sure that it plays on my region B PS3 in case I get the Canadian BD when I order this one from a third party seller. Thanks in advance!
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This seemed to be the most relevant thread, and I didn't want to start a new one...

I ordered this disc from an Amazon third-party seller (seeing as it's OOP), and I received the Canadian Maple Studios version. I popped it in my BD Drive as a test and it plays okay, though I have yet to watch the entire film. Is there a difference between the US release and the Canadian one that anyone knows of? Is there a reason to return it?

All of these OOP Lionsgate horror titles are kind of pissing me off. Why wasn't I on the Blu scene in 2009?
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This seemed to be the most relevant thread, and I didn't want to start a new one...

I ordered this disc from an Amazon third-party seller (seeing as it's OOP), and I received the Canadian Maple Studios version. I popped it in my BD Drive as a test and it plays okay, though I have yet to watch the entire film. Is there a difference between the US release and the Canadian one that anyone knows of? Is there a reason to return it?

All of these OOP Lionsgate horror titles are kind of pissing me off. Why wasn't I on the Blu scene in 2009?
Format war?
I waited until it was over to hop on BD!
I was hoping HD-DVD would win...
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Format war?
I waited until it was over to hop on BD!
I was hoping HD-DVD would win...
Naw, I was collecting all those cool horror titles only available on DVD.

Which sort of brings me back to Maple Studios vs Lionsgate BV? Is it just the same disc? I don't suppose we have any Lionsgate experts on the forums...
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Which sort of brings me back to Maple Studios vs Lionsgate BV? Is it just the same disc? I don't suppose we have any Lionsgate experts on the forums...
Same disc.
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Same disc.
Awesome. Thanks!
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Just curious if there are any reviews up or if anyone has heard anything. I'm sure I'll still get it either way, but I'm just curious.
there are quite a few now
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