why Fox is stll going with Blu-ray and not HD DVD

[krispydude]

i dont see how every studio isnt jumping through hoops to get on the BD+ bandwagon. if BD+ could somehow protect their releases for about a month, i think that would be acceptable to many.

if BD+ is shown to be successful in doing this and some studios still refuse to release on blu-ray, it would be very hard for me to feel sorry for them for having their movies pirated.

you cant cry about something, have the solution to solve it and then refuse the solution.

[qz3fwd]

Originally Posted by monkyman

BD+ will be sucessfull, in that if it takes you a month to crack the code, the movie is old news anyway.

Besides, why bother trying to crack it everytime it changes when everyone else can easily copy the dvd version?

Why do you buy HD version of a movie instead the SD DVD?

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

So, once that single cracked copy is made, can that copy then be replicated and sent around easily?

I believe so. Once a movie is crack, yes they probably can easily replicate it. But a few weeks per title is a lot of work. Not to mention that a lot of titles will be missed. Not very profitable for them.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by krispydude

i dont see how every studio isnt jumping through hoops to get on the BD+ bandwagon. if BD+ could somehow protect their releases for about a month, i think that would be acceptable to many.

if BD+ is shown to be successful in doing this and some studios still refuse to release on blu-ray, it would be very hard for me to feel sorry for them for having their movies pirated.

you cant cry about something, have the solution to solve it and then refuse the solution.

Tell that to Universal/Paramount. Cant remember which one, but one of those Studios asked the US government for tons of money for anti-piracy programs.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

But, IF they replaced the Virtual Machine of the player and impersonate a licensed playback device, wouldnt they be able to do just about anything? Maybe I do not correctly understand how the system works?

Personally I think this is a good thing if it truly is cracked and think these schemes(CSS/AACS/BD+) just increase the cost and complexity while reducing stability and performance for marginal benefits and zero benefits to the consumer. How many millions/billions did they spend developing the system?

Be gone BD+, banished to the bowels where it belongs.

False.

If there was no copy protection whatsoever then piracy would skyrocket, forcing movies to be much more expensive.

And im sure your "idea" has already been considered by the engineers who designed it.

You're an anti DRM troll.

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

But, IF they replaced the Virtual Machine of the player and impersonate a licensed playback device, wouldnt they be able to do just about anything? Maybe I do not correctly understand how the system works?

Personally I think this is a good thing if it truly is cracked and think these schemes(CSS/AACS/BD+) just increase the cost and complexity while reducing stability and performance for marginal benefits and zero benefits to the consumer. How many millions/billions did they spend developing the system?

Be gone BD+, banished to the bowels where it belongs.

It's not about benefits to the consumer; the only right one has as a consumer is the right to buy or not to buy. And (hard as this may be to believe) buying an optical storage disc containing a feature film does not grant one ownership of the contents of that disc.

People who create---including intellectual property---should be afforded the right to profit from what they create.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by dtrush

Honestly, I don't think Blu-Ray discs really need to be "backed up". In the past I could argue that I didn't want my DVD to get scratched by my 3 year old but I don't think this argument holds true anymore. We shouldn't have to worry about this with the awesome protection layer on the BD itself. I rented from Blockbuster the other day & my wife told me that our daughter had the disc in her hand. Fearing that she might scratch the BD and we'd have to buy it, naturally wanted to get it away from her. I told her not to worry and that there's no way she'll scratch it Of course I let her keep it & there isn't even a sign of a scratch on it.
To be short....... BD's don't need to be backed up!

exactly...

if there was a fire , .theft of the disc. that's what .home owners insurance is for...

with Blu-Ray having that scratch resistance there is not a good enough reason for it anymore ESP. with Blu-Ray since it has this coating in the first place..

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

It's not about benefits to the consumer; the only right one has as a consumer is the right to buy or not to buy. And (hard as this may be to believe) buying an optical storage disc containing a feature film does not grant one ownership of the contents of that disc.

People who create---including intellectual property---should be afforded the right to profit from what they create.

exactly

look at who is on strike right now....

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by joeorc

exactly

look at who is on strike right now....

Exactly.

[J6P]

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

Personally I think this is a good thing if it truly is cracked and think these schemes(CSS/AACS/BD+) just increase the cost and complexity while reducing stability and performance for marginal benefits and zero benefits to the consumer. How many millions/billions did they spend developing the system?

Amazing. That's like getting angry that my car alarm "increases the cost and complexity" of my car. It's not the alarm's fault, it's the people that keep trying to steal the car. That's why the alarm exists.

BD+ isn't increasing the cost of these movies, az3fwd. You are. If intellectual property can't be sold with a reasonable expectation of profit, it will eventually just go away.

[doctorD]

Remember what was stated earlier in the week. If you suspect someone to be an HD DVD troll, don't respond to them.

[reiella]

Wonder if SlySoft is pro-Stardock or not.

As a point of reference, the situation really isn't very different from the situation with software copy protection. And those games do get cracked, fairly quickly. It's a matter of understanding the process that goes into creating the sort of copy-protection. The only time it takesa while is when SADC unrolls a new version of SecuRom or the like.

With this instance though, consider, would the brute force method have been faster?

You know, set up a digital camcorder at proper distance, and take the analog audio feed to the speakers, and just record the playback...

[rwarner174]

I hate common theifs that hide behind consumer rights.
There is no right to optical media in the constitution of the united states.
Where do these people get off. I am no lovers of actors and writers but if they create something they should have the right to profit off it. How would you feel if you put all this hard work into something just for people to steal it. It would suck. And so do people who steal movies, music and games. Seriously, how many movies, music and games do you need? I have sceen people with litleraly a 1000 stollen movies in a disk case. Isn't that excesive!

And then I get punished with higher prices for being an honest person.
I will continue to be honest because I am not a thieving dirtbag but it still sucks.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by J6P

Amazing. That's like getting angry that my car alarm "increases the cost and complexity" of my car. It's not the alarm's fault, it's the people that keep trying to steal the car. That's why the alarm exists.

BD+ isn't increasing the cost of these movies, az3fwd. You are. If intellectual property can't be sold with a reasonabe expectation of profit, it will eventually just go away.

100% agreement J6P

if the studios have no means to protect the content that the studio's and the people who created the scripts for the consumer to enjoy they should be paid for it. if people just steal the content they just worked for free..how would you feel..i think people think those big pay check's that people hear about is not the reality of it at all . the people who create the content deserve a fair shake...if the content is not getting any protection and anyone could just steal it people would and people do..the studios have every right to protect that content.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

You have to crack BD+ for every single title. It's a great system compared to anything else right now and it will make it very difficult for pirate operations to make large profits.

Not just every title, but possibly every pressing of every title. If the current batch of the movie Foo gets cracked, the publishing studio can change its BD+ key when the next batch of BDs is made.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by J6P

Amazing. That's like getting angry that my car alarm "increases the cost and complexity" of my car. It's not the alarm's fault, it's the people that keep trying to steal the car. That's why the alarm exists.

BD+ isn't increasing the cost of these movies, az3fwd. You are. If intellectual property can't be sold with a reasonable expectation of profit, it will eventually just go away.

Take it one step further. Having a car alarm likely saves you money on car insurance, because it makes your car less likely to get stolen.

Same with BD+. If it and AACS were completely eliminated, movies would cost more to compensate for rampant piracy.

I would go so far as to say BD+ is one of the major reasons FOX is on HDM in the first place, not only just why they are blu-ray exlusive.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

Take it one step further. Having a car alarm likely saves you money on car insurance, because it makes your car less likely to get stolen.

Same with BD+. If it and AACS were completely eliminated, movies would cost more to compensate for rampant piracy.

I would go so far as to say BD+ is one of the major reasons FOX is on HDM in the first place, not only just why they are blu-ray exlusive.

Fox was also one of the primary proponents of ICT as I recall.

Which would have been a big hit to the ability to brute force pirate as well.

[Iron Man]

FOX likes region coding.......

They also like more space and higher maximum bit-rate

[qz3fwd]

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

I would go so far as to say BD+ is one of the major reasons FOX is on HDM in the first place, not only just why they are blu-ray exlusive.

Probably the only reason. You guys crack me up. Personally I own both formats, but all the cheerleading-"We need/want more DRM on our discs...DRM is good for consumers..." is unbeleivable. Look at DVD and CSS, cracked for years and still the most profitable CE invention in the History of the field? CSS is practically a moot point nowadays, yet there are still millions or billions of DVD's sold every year and the studios rake in the truckloads of cash every day throughout the year.

[rjg]

Originally Posted by Iron Man

FOX likes region coding.......

They also like more space and higher maximum bit-rate

Exact reason why FOX is on blu side.