HDI on Blu-ray?

[jorg]

Originally Posted by workshed108

My real concern is that the studios will need real developers to code and since studios are not software companies they will hire college interns or fresh college grads, pay them crap to create kludge fests.

Unless BD-J does have a simple framework that any "tech" person can develop in (like HDi) then it could potentially be a mess.

bd-j is simaler to java theres a ton of devlopers out there for it the problem isen tthat its hard but they have to build a foundation first to base everything off most things are still a first time

also sigma insider talkstr8 has said that he so part as he can tell thinks that loading times of blu-ray will never be quite as fast as qurrent dvd but they will decrease vastly but there is also so much more that blu-ray goes threw b4 playing a movie thho threw talkst8 posts for it very good read

[PeteS]

Originally Posted by kibbled_bits

BDJ can do much much more. HDi is a hack. It's the only reason Microsoft was interested in this war was to peddle their software.

Originally Posted by blu_boy

the only reason microsoft backs hd dud is because they paid to use hdi. sony didnt want to pay and pretty much made their own system. thats one of the main reasons the format war even started in the first place.

I think, only partially true. The BDA, in a majority vote - not just Sony, wisely chose BD-Java as an open and non-monopolistic tech solution over HDi.

It has now become apparent that Microsoft also boosted HD DVD in order to muddy the HDM waters to clear the way for M$ sponsored (peudo-)HiDef download business.

Now, I write some software for Microsoft systems (in addition to others) but I would feel uneasy about having M$ software on every device I own.

[MallardRider]

As I know (and I don't want to spill the "Java" beans here) the learning curve on HDi is shorter compared to BD-J but, BD-J can do a lot more if one puts their mind into it. With the higher learning curve on BD-J, established developers are going to have to get their hands on it first before it can be trickled down to an easier-to-implement fashion.

Compatibility issues with HDi across generations of Toshiba HD players do not help HD's cause as much.

BD-J can do so much more. Much more than what HDi can.

[181]

Originally Posted by MallardRider

As I know (and I don't want to spill the "Java" beans here) the learning curve on HDi is shorter compared to BD-J but, BD-J can do a lot more if one puts their mind into it. With the higher learning curve on BD-J, established developers are going to have to get their hands on it first before it can be trickled down to an easier-to-implement fashion.

Compatibility issues with HDi across generations of Toshiba HD players do not help HD's cause as much.

BD-J can do so much more. Much more than what HDi can.

We have to remember here that movie menus won't be developed by everyone. It's not like a website where techies can build their own menu systems. The studios will most likely have qualified or will contract qualified people to build these menus, which they have been doing. It's just going to take a few creative minds to get the full potential out of BD-J

[welwynnick]

HDi may be a bargaining chip for BDA to throw to HD-DVD, and hopefully get a quick and clean resolution to the 'war.

It could be perhaps the only feasible negotiating tool if there is any intention on both sides towards establishing some common ground, in a way that failed before. If BDA adopted HDi, they would retain ALL the elements of the format, and concede something that they were doing differently, pretty much for the sake of it, as far as I can see.

Yes, I know Java has much more potential, but it is just that - largely unrealised potential, and probably a liability rather than an asset. I suspect BDA may be glad to see the back of it. Adopting HDi may a way for HDDVD to feel that they have saved some face, contributed to the way forwards, and been rewarded for their contribution in a way that is somewhat commensurate with their commercial position (alive, but not very strong).

Please take these comments positively,

Cheers, Nick

[upnorthsox]

I see no reason to negotiate a settlement with the HD-DVD group where any meaningful concessions beyond startup assistance is given. This whole scenario is now set to play out by the end of this quarter, after that the HD-DVD group will be in no position to make any demands and will not likely receive any.

HDi is dead, MS right now is positioning itself to lay blame for its demise on the BDA (instead of itself). If anything, the BDA should distance itself as far from it as possible.

[welwynnick]

My point, not given very clearly I admit, was that it's in BDA's interests to secure closure as soon as possible. They will be keen to avoid having it drag on during the year, as Toshiba seem to want to do, and negotiating over HDi may be a way to get what they want.

Nick

[spicynacho]

here is talkst8's response to the matter

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=36

[workshed108]

Originally Posted by 181

Java is a very abstract language, so it should be easy to develop. I speak for myself, but I am a fresh college grad (2006) and I write software for mobile phones...but I am also a good engineer and don't get paid crap for what I do. I see your concern though about creating kludge fests (Microsoft products), but not all college grads are incapable of writing efficient applications.

I agree that not all recent college grads are incapable of writing decent code, if not excellent code but its usually done in college. In my experience, they have to get at least a year of real world developement experience before their code is scalable and maintainable.