HDI on Blu-ray?

[Apocollypse]

Just curious.

I do like the dashboard like menu it just looked next gen. I wouldn't mind seeing HDI on Blue ray disks.

Unless BD's Java can made to look better.

[JasonR]

Blu....

[Pellaeon]

Originally Posted by Apocollypse

Just curious.

I do like the dashboard like menu it just looked next gen. I wouldn't mind seeing HDI on Blue ray disks.

Unless BD's Java can made to look better.

Wasnt this the big hang up between the BDA and Microsoft in the first place?

[Apocollypse]

yes...i know...i know..

BLU ray

[Apocollypse]

Originally Posted by Pellaeon

Wasnt this the big hang up between the BDA and Microsoft in the first place?

one of the main reason for the war-

Sony wanted to use Java
Microsoft wanted HDI

[181]

Originally Posted by Apocollypse

Just curious.

I do like the dashboard like menu it just looked next gen. I wouldn't mind seeing HDI on Blue ray disks.

Unless BD's Java can made to look better.

HDi is a fancy word for XML and Javascript. You can think of HDi's basic structure as a simple web page. Not the content, just the structure.

BD-J (Blu-ray Disc Java) is a full programming environment. You can theoretically create a BD-J application to emulate HDi. BD-J offers a much more flexible environment for UI and menu development.

In conclusion, BD-J kicks the crap out of HDi. We have only seen a few variations of what it has the potential to do.

[Apocollypse]

Originally Posted by 181

HDi is a fancy word for XML and Javascript. You can think of HDi's basic structure as a simple web page. Not the content, just the structure.

BD-J (Blu-ray Disc Java) is a full programming environment. You can theoretically create a BD-J application to emulate HDi. BD-J offers a much more flexible environment for UI and menu development.

In conclusion, BD-J kicks the crap out of HDi. We have only seen a few variations of what it has the potential to do.

ahh thanks for the clarification.

then i wouldn't mind if the programmers create something similar to that dash board look. The standard menu bar is sooooo standard dvd looking.

[kibbled_bits]

BDJ can do much much more. HDi is a hack. It's the only reason Microsoft was interested in this war was to peddle their software.

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by Apocollypse

ahh thanks for the clarification.

then i wouldn't mind if the programmers create something similar to that dash board look. The standard menu bar is sooooo standard dvd looking.

...and the menu bars I've seen on Blu-ray videos look sooooooooooooooo OK as far as I'm concerned.

[Blu boy]

the only reason microsoft backs hd dud is because they paid to use hdi. sony didnt want to pay and pretty much made their own system. thats one of the main reasons the format war even started in the first place.

[Chau808]

Originally Posted by Apocollypse

yes...i know...i know..

BLU ray

Blu-ray

[jorg]

Originally Posted by Apocollypse

one of the main reason for the war-

Sony wanted to use Java
Microsoft wanted HDI

actrualy sony and fox wanted hdi disney wanted bd-j (so in exchange for bd exclusivity Disney got bd-j)

Originally Posted by Blu boy

the only reason microsoft backs hd dud is because they paid to use hdi. sony didnt want to pay and pretty much made their own system. thats one of the main reasons the format war even started in the first place.

yes microsft get royalties from hdi and no for the sony part read my response and and sun micro teh creater of java world largest platfourm (almost all phone use a verity of java tahts onver a billion phones) and not a main reason but contributing to Toshiba's stance also note that that hdi is more cpu intensive(prossesing power)

[smiley]

I am really hoping not to see HDI or any other software from M$ on blu-ray.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Apocollypse

ahh thanks for the clarification.

then i wouldn't mind if the programmers create something similar to that dash board look. The standard menu bar is sooooo standard dvd looking.

Have you taken a look at a combo release from Universal? The HD DVD side has a standard (read boring) cookie cutter menu whereas the DVD side has a menu themed to the movie. Blu-ray title menus are usually themed to the movie.

I hate the Universal menus on HD DVDs.

[workshed108]

If getting more complicated Java programs increase the loading time than thanks but no thanks.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by aristotles

Have you taken a look at a combo release from Universal? The HD DVD side has a standard (read boring) cookie cutter menu whereas the DVD side has a menu themed to the movie. Blu-ray title menus are usually themed to the movie.

I hate the Universal menus on HD DVDs.

I suspect we'll see more genericized menus coming out as the format gets more and more adopted though.

Just the nature of reducing costs.

[181]

Originally Posted by workshed108

If getting more complicated Java programs increase the loading time than thanks but no thanks.

You are right, this is a concern. BD-J is a collection of API's and libraries tailored for Blu-ray Discs and is part of a much larger collection of libraries geared toward media distribution. I'm sure they have put a lot of effort into decreasing load times by choosing routines which work well on Blu-ray devices.

Since eventually there will be a wide range of Blu-ray deivces ranging from 1.0 to 2.0 players and drives, you will see some devices perform better than others. This is to be expected in a computer world but not necessarily in the CE world since most CE consumers know nothing of the underlying technology aside from the fact that it works well or it doesn't.

[181]

on a side thought, the word "consumer" developed a neutral connotation over the years to mean a "buyer." But if you really think about it, a consumer is one who consumes, i.e. ingests. What are the corporations implying about us "consumers?" Are we just eating everything up they feed us like a pack of wild animals?

[workshed108]

Originally Posted by 181

You are right, this is a concern. BD-J is a collection of API's and libraries tailored for Blu-ray Discs and is part of a much larger collection of libraries geared toward media distribution. I'm sure they have put a lot of effort into decreasing load times by choosing routines which work well on Blu-ray devices.

Since eventually there will be a wide range of Blu-ray deivces ranging from 1.0 to 2.0 players and drives, you will see some devices perform better than others. This is to be expected in a computer world but not necessarily in the CE world since most CE consumers know nothing of the underlying technology aside from the fact that it works well or it doesn't.

My real concern is that the studios will need real developers to code and since studios are not software companies they will hire college interns or fresh college grads, pay them crap to create kludge fests.

Unless BD-J does have a simple framework that any "tech" person can develop in (like HDi) then it could potentially be a mess.

[181]

Originally Posted by workshed108

My real concern is that the studios will need real developers to code and since studios are not software companies they will hire college interns or fresh college grads, pay them crap to create kludge fests.

Unless BD-J does have a simple framework that any "tech" person can develop in (like HDi) then it could potentially be a mess.

Java is a very abstract language, so it should be easy to develop. I speak for myself, but I am a fresh college grad (2006) and I write software for mobile phones...but I am also a good engineer and don't get paid crap for what I do. I see your concern though about creating kludge fests (Microsoft products), but not all college grads are incapable of writing efficient applications.