DTS-HD MA is not as important as CC/subtitling for the deaf/hearing impaired!

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

Are the subtitles right on the source material?

meaning?

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by Caligula

meaning?

Encoded on the disks...?

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Caligula

subtitles on bd is not Closed captioned.. get this guys.. subtitles and closed captioned are different!!

similar but different..

Hey, I just discovered this. And I see what you are talking about. I don't own a ps3 (I'm an HTPC person). My HTPC does CC on Ratatouilie (i.e. - man speaking in french accent - People say the best food is made in France). I see what you mean. If the PS3 can't do this - they need to correct it.

[Caligula]

EXACTLY!! THANK YOU!! EXACTLY!!!

Originally Posted by prerich

Hey, I just discovered this. And I see what you are talking about. I don't own a ps3 (I'm an HTPC person). My HTPC does CC on Ratatouilie (i.e. - man speaking in french accent - People say the best food is made in France). I see what you mean. If the PS3 can't do this - they need to correct it.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by prerich

I would love it if people would make HDTV's without speakers because all I use them for is a visual monitor anyway. Can't you activate CC through the BD itself (in the menu). Just turn the captioning on.

Some BD titles do not have English SDH subtitles, just English, which is why he's demanding for CC since CC MUST be supported. Since the PS3 also plays DVDs and DVDs have CC, enabling CC would make it a better player.

HDMI video does not carry CC signal that the HDTV can then decode whereas standard cable or broadcast signal delivered via component do. The PS3 can overcome this by reading the CC titles within the video signal and rendering it to the video before delivering it to the HDTV via HDMI.


fuad

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Some BD titles do not have English SDH subtitles, just English, which is why he's demanding for CC since CC MUST be supported. Since the PS3 also plays DVDs and DVDs have CC, enabling CC would make it a better player.

HDMI video does not carry CC signal that the HDTV can then decode whereas standard cable or broadcast signal delivered via component do. The PS3 can overcome this by reading the CC titles within the video signal and rendering it to the video before delivering it to the HDTV via HDMI.


fuad

Thank you for pointing that out.

but, i hear that other bd standalone players able to play cc via hdmi?? is this true

[doctorsteve]

Let's agree - it's ALL important.

Best quality Picture.
Best quality Sound.

Assisting those that can't hear great, sure - it's important too. I look forward to the day that the function is there for those that need it. As Slec pointed out - we are in the early stages. Common sense says - cater to the early adopters, cater to the masses, enhance as able. Most early adopters aren't jumping for joy over the arrival of crystal clear captions, the masses will not jump on board because they can read a bunch of words in the middle of those damn black bars, so - unfortunately - CC is not at the top of developers list.

Give it time bruthaman, give it time. In the mean time - if you'd like to start a petition (oh GOD - did I just say that?) I'll sign it. If you like to give us addresses to send emails to developers - I'll send one.

But I MUST disagree when you say the best quality sound is not important. Showcasing "Master-Perfect" sound will gather many more bees to the hive than offering CC. It's just business, yo.

Cheers - keep fightin' the good fight - Doc.

[unreal1080p]

Originally Posted by Caligula

I can understand you hearing people rely on sound. BUT need of DTS-HD Master Audio and PS3 update for it IS NOT IMPORTANT!

There are children who are having problem with hearing, or with any kind of learning disability NEEDS Closed captioned. Sony Playstation 3 does not have that feature and I feel that DTS-HD Master Audio can wait because you already have sound PCM,lossless, DD True HD or whatever. How can children understand movies or cartoons without closed captioned watching Disney on DVD or Blu ray with C.C. (not subtitles) Closed captioned provides subtitles for Deaf and hearing impaired (SDH) feature, not all Blu-ray discs are SDH and few non SDH Blu discs have CC meaning movie wont recongize any kind of background noise or whoever speaking in different language.

Not only for children, there are various age people watching movies with their ps3. Also, not many people have receivers, speakers or any kind of equipment that support / use DTS-HD Master Audio. Why? Maybe they can’t hear or have hearing problem and need understanding with Closed Captioned.
I mean, PS3 cost a lot money and they don’t have C.C and why didn’t they add that feature for ps3? Playstation 2 does play CC with any dvd. Why?

People would not buy HDTV(s) if it doesn’t have speakers and they would demand for the company to make a TV with speakers. What about us, who can’t hear or understand movies without Closed Captioned? THIS IS DISCRIMINATION! I have nothing against DTS-HD MA, but this is not fair they receive update for it. I am happy for you guys to have it but not all people are happy with next update.

I understand your desire for a Closed Captioned feature on the PS3 and it is a VERY valid point... but ragging on DTS-HD MA... a feature that the MAJORITY of PS3 Blu-Ray movie fan owners have been praying 5 times a day since November 2006 for... simply is'nt the way to do it.

SONY is not a charity... it's a business... and they will release features that will benefit the MAJORITY of it's (PS3) users first and foremost prior to features with limited mass appeal. This is not saying that your desired feature is not important... far from it... but pissing off the majority of PS3 owners telling them that their desired feature is "NOT IMPORTANT" is

Ever heard of "you catch more bees with honey then vinegar?"

Perhaps you should attempt to endeer yourself to the majority of PS3 owners so they may support your cause... instead of shitting on their heads.

Food for thought.

Gone to see Montreal kick the ever loving shit out of Boston

Goodnight

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by unreal1080p

I understand your desire for a Closed Captioned feature on the PS3 and it is a VERY valid point... but ragging on DTS-HD MA... a feature that the MAJORITY of PS3 Blu-Ray movie fan owners have been praying 5 times a day since November 2006 for simply is'nt the way to do it.

SONY is not a charity... it's a business... and they will release features that will benefit the MAJORITY of it's (PS3) users first and foremost prior to features with limited mass appeal. This is not saying that your desired feature is not important... far from it... but pissing off the majority of PS3 owners telling them that their desired feature is "NOT IMPORTANT" is

Ever heard of "you catch more bees with honey then vinegar?"

Perhaps you should attempt to endeer yourself to the majority of PS3 owners so they may support your cause... instead of shitting on their heads.

Food for thought.

Gone to see Montreal kick the ever loving shit out of Boston

Goodnight

This is all a tad on the harsh side. Some points made, but to insult with crazy smileys and the like? Not necessary. Ever heard of "you catch more bees with honey then vinegar?"

[unreal1080p]

Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

This is all a tad on the harsh side.

When the shoe fits...

So you think starting a thread entitled "DTS-HD Master Audio IS NOT IMPORTANT!" is not harsh?

Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

Ever heard of "you catch more bees with honey then vinegar?"

Oh that's rich! I'm the one that used this saying in my original post and you thought it wize to use it straight back at me and actually have the balls to ask me if i've ever heard of it when I just used it 5 minutes ago? Unlike the OP, I'm not trying to win anybody over... I already have what I want:
DTS-HD MA on the PS3

P.S.

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[Pseudoblu]

Originally Posted by unreal1080p

I understand your desire for a Closed Captioned feature on the PS3 and it is a VERY valid point... but ragging on DTS-HD MA... a feature that the MAJORITY of PS3 Blu-Ray movie fan owners have been praying 5 times a day since November 2006 for... simply is'nt the way to do it.

SONY is not a charity... it's a business... and they will release features that will benefit the MAJORITY of it's (PS3) users first and foremost prior to features with limited mass appeal. This is not saying that your desired feature is not important... far from it... but pissing off the majority of PS3 owners telling them that their desired feature is "NOT IMPORTANT" is

Ever heard of "you catch more bees with honey then vinegar?"

Perhaps you should attempt to endeer yourself to the majority of PS3 owners so they may support your cause... instead of shitting on their heads.

Food for thought.

Gone to see Montreal kick the ever loving shit out of Boston

Goodnight

nice unreal... on the above comments.

Calig..... Everyone has a gripe about something.. that happens to be yours but as for me.. DTS has been something i wanted more than anything when I bought the ps3.. now I am getting it so to me it is VERY important... and don't go into this whole prespective crap or there are a lot of things going on in the world that is much more important like i get all the time... Its an update to include the best sound capability (IMO) and sound to me is important..

[Squozen]

From Wikipedia:

High definition disc media (HD DVD, Blu-ray disc) uses SDH subtitles as the sole method because technical specifications do not require HD to support line 21 closed captions. Some blu-ray discs, however, are said to carry a closed caption stream that only displays through standard definition connections. Many HDTVs allow the end–user to customize the captions, including the ability to remove the black band.

You might get CC through a standard definition display, but the fact is that it doesn't work on an HDTV, and there's nothing Sony can do to fix that. As the above quote says, a SDH subtitle is the method used to support the deaf, so ask the studios to include them. They're supported by the PS3, absolutely.

[thepodest]

LOL I laugh at this thread.

Let me put it very simple.

People requested DTS-HD MA, so Sony put it in there. It's not about what's important it's about the majority.

[doctorsteve]

I just checked my collection and out of 45 Blu Movies - 36 were listed as subtitled in English for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing (SDH) and three were listed as CC. Two were Concert BD's (NIN and David Gilmour) and had no SDH or CC listed. A few simply had English subtitles (like House of Flying Daggers).

So Caligula - is SDH and CC the same? (I'm asking an honest question here - don't go wigging out on me here...)

Doc

[Caligula]

depends... sdh and cc are similar but some sdh doesnt have black bar behind, some does.. cc will not have clear background and will use black bar behind text.
but, they will perform background noises and etc related to sound.

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

I just checked my collection and out of 45 Blu Movies - 36 were listed as subtitled in English for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing (SDH) and three were listed as CC. Two were Concert BD's (NIN and David Gilmour) and had no SDH or CC listed. 1 simply had English subtitles (House of Flying Daggers).

So Caligula - is SDH and CC the same? (I'm asking an honest question here - don't go wigging out on me here...)

Doc

[Caligula]

closed captioned will work on HDTV, i have HD Cable and its plugged via hdmi, CC works fine on my HD TV.
I love watching tudors in HD with CC..

Originally Posted by Squozen

From Wikipedia:



You might get CC through a standard definition display, but the fact is that it doesn't work on an HDTV, and there's nothing Sony can do to fix that. As the above quote says, a SDH subtitle is the method used to support the deaf, so ask the studios to include them. They're supported by the PS3, absolutely.

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by Caligula

closed captioned will work on HDTV, i have HD Cable and its plugged via hdmi, CC works fine on my HD TV.
I love watching tudors in HD with CC..

Caligula, I have a question. Are you 100% deff and have you always been?

[tommyboy81]

Originally Posted by Caligula

closed captioned will work on HDTV, i have HD Cable and its plugged via hdmi, CC works fine on my HD TV.
I love watching tudors in HD with CC..

I was just going to sayh that. Tvs have CC and the movies should have subtitles. I understand your argument. For me right now I could care less. I don't have a reciever that will decode it.

[Caligula]

Like i said earlier, i understand how important sounds to hearing people but it is not to me as deaf. Same as CC is not important to you but its to us deaf people. ANd i said I was happy for ya all have it.

I have nothing aganist DTS HD MA, i dont.
I want my feature as much you did with your dts hdma

Originally Posted by Pseudoblu

nice unreal... on the above comments.

Calig..... Everyone has a gripe about something.. that happens to be yours but as for me.. DTS has been something i wanted more than anything when I bought the ps3.. now I am getting it so to me it is VERY important... and don't go into this whole prespective crap or there are a lot of things going on in the world that is much more important like i get all the time... Its an update to include the best sound capability (IMO) and sound to me is important..

[punkguy03]

First off wow what a thread i just read alot of pages lol.Anyways im glad we're getting dts-hd ma.On another note sure we should definetely have cc so just write sony and keep talking it will come eventually.

Also was dts-hd needed?no was the ps3 needed?technically no its all just wants and needs and of course business.We demanded dts-hd and we got it keep demanding cc and im sure it will come.There prolly just getting the most demanded features out of the way first then the rest will come.

Good luck and i hope we get it.