PS3 sales up 130% in December!!!

[york weir]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

I doubt that Microsoft could get away with counting RRoD replacements as "sales".

Having said that, Microsoft sold what, 11 million consoles before even putting out their first fix related to RRoD?

Early consoles WILL RRoD, it's just a matter of when, and newer ones do too, just at a slower pace. It's not at all unreasonable to believe that there have been 6 million RRoDs. I've had 3 personally. :P

I don't know the actual figure of how many died but I honestly don't think 6 million of the reported 28 million sales are from returning rrod'd units.

[doctorD]

So the PS3 sold 378,000 and if sales increased by 130% wouldnt that make the December sales a little shy of 900,000?

I would say this might be true because, at least in the greater Seattle Washington area, everytime I went in to retail stores the PS3 crates were always either empty or nearly empty and the X360 crates weren't moving as quickly.

[Jorge Cordeiro]

I'm So in shock just to read how many xbox360 have been returned buy you guys... i never knew that it was this much...
I personally believe that 2009 will be the year of PS3, in spite of the BIG stab on the back by square...damn that hurt

[pmac]

Originally Posted by Porfie

We all know that the media is very unfair the way they compare the 2 systems. The other system had a 1 year headstart of course they are going to sell more, but when you break down the figures as you did we all know the PS3 is selling better in its lifespan. Why cant the MEDIA get this through their heads? Are they that shallow that they dont realize the other system has been out 1 year longer hello? Am I missing something here?

While I like what you said here...it really doesn’t hold much ground for argument because if you were to use the same excuse with the Wii, it blows everything out of the water.

Let’s face it guys...PS3 is 3rd, and likely so for a good reason, it is the most $$$ to shell out at the point of sale. Even when you look at the stripped down 360 with no Blu-Ray player, no Hard Drive, $50-$60 a year just to get online gaming, no wi-fi, inability to output 1080P (1080i is available), consumers will more likely pay less up front and add a bit by bit as time goes because that makes it less of an initial blow to the pocket book.

Comparing apples to apples, 360 and PS3 with similarly equivalent features
360 $200, with HDD $99, wi-fi adaptor $75, Online for first year $50, adding the HD player at today’s price $50, you are paying $475. You still don’t have the "Home Theatre" aspect and a dead technology, and even not including the HD-DUD player it is still more than a base PS3 that way $425 vs. $400.

So all in all the PS3 feature for feature comparison is cheaper and gives you more than the 360 can offer because it is incapable of HD audio and Blu-Ray playback.

Be glad you are on the educated side of things.

For anyone wanting to accuse me of being a fanboy, don’t waste anyone’s time, I have 2 PS3's, 1 XBOX 360 ELITE, 1 Wii, and a PS2 and within a month or so, I will probably be adding a third PS3 now to keep everyone happy. And we probably have close to 100 games across all platforms combined.


If Sony wants to influence consumers to but the Next gen they should target the MASSIVE PS2 base to upgrade and put back backwards compatibility for PS2 games.

And advertise the hell out of what the PS3 is capable of. Their commercials do not tell anyone why it should be the system of choice. They might have a few commercials, but their marketing is pi*s poor so no wonder why it sells less.

Paul

[york weir]

Originally Posted by pmac

While I like what you said here...it really doesn’t hold much ground for argument because if you were to use the same excuse with the Wii, it blows everything out of the water.

Let’s face it guys...PS3 is 3rd, and likely so for a good reason, it is the most $$$ to shell out at the point of sale. Even when you look at the stripped down 360 with no Blu-Ray player, no Hard Drive, $50-$60 a year just to get online gaming, no wi-fi, inability to output 1080P (1080i is available), consumers will more likely pay less up front and add a bit by bit as time goes because that makes it less of an initial blow to the pocket book.

Comparing apples to apples, 360 and PS3 with similarly equivalent features
360 $200, with HDD $99, wi-fi adaptor $75, Online for first year $50, adding the HD player at today’s price $50, you are paying $475. You still don’t have the "Home Theatre" aspect and a dead technology, and even not including the HD-DUD player it is still more than a base PS3 that way $425 vs. $400.

So all in all the PS3 feature for feature comparison is cheaper and gives you more than the 360 can offer because it is incapable of HD audio and Blu-Ray playback.

Be glad you are on the educated side of things.

For anyone wanting to accuse me of being a fanboy, don’t waste anyone’s time, I have 2 PS3's, 1 XBOX 360 ELITE, 1 Wii, and a PS2 and within a month or so, I will probably be adding a third PS3 now to keep everyone happy. And we probably have close to 100 games across all platforms combined.


If Sony wants to influence consumers to but the Next gen they should target the MASSIVE PS2 base to upgrade and put back backwards compatibility for PS2 games.

And advertise the hell out of what the PS3 is capable of. Their commercials do not tell anyone why it should be the system of choice. They might have a few commercials, but their marketing is pi*s poor so no wonder why it sells less.

Paul

Just because you have all consoles does not automatically take away a fanboy title.

[Jorge Cordeiro]

Originally Posted by york weir

Just because you have all consoles does not automatically take away a fanboy title.

finally! someone who says what i think! although pmac has some point there

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by pmac

While I like what you said here...it really doesn’t hold much ground for argument because if you were to use the same excuse with the Wii, it blows everything out of the water.

It doesn't matter what the Wii is doing. It just happens to be selling at a super fast rate. That does not detract from the fact that the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the X360 from launch. I just don't see how people can give the X360 a pass as if it didn't start the race earlier than everyone else.

It's like three runners are in a marathon race. One starts before everyone else. The other two runners start much later. One runs down the runner that started earlier pretty quickly. The other runner hasn't run down the one that started before everyone else. However, his time to each mile marker is faster than the runner that started before everyone. Why would someone try to say the runner behind is slower than the other two?

[pmac]

Originally Posted by york weir

Just because you have all consoles does not automatically take away a fanboy title.

I assure you I am no Fanboy. Simply the facts. (Feel free to correct me if anything is wrong or outdated. (i.e. the 1080i might be updated for the 360)

Although I am pretty sure you were just teasing which in that case...
ouch!

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by alphapyro

Er, my PS3 has been running 3 years strong? XBOX360 didn't take a year before the RROD started? Shame on you!

EDIT: I misunderstood. Perhaps you meant early xbox360 consoles will RROD? Apologies if that's the case.

I don't even understand how you could think I was claiming that a Wii, PS2, or PS3 would Red Ring of Death. :P

[alphapyro]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

I don't even understand how you could think I was claiming that a Wii, PS2, or PS3 would Red Ring of Death. :P

Anything is possible! The 21st century has shown more dumb dumb heads than any previous generation so I try to be accomodating where possible...

[pmac]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

It doesn't matter what the Wii is doing. It just happens to be selling at a super fast rate. That does not detract from the fact that the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the X360 from launch. I just don't see how people can give the X360 a pass as if it didn't start the race earlier than everyone else.

It's like three runners are in a marathon race. One starts before everyone else. The other two runners start much later. One runs down the runner that started earlier pretty quickly. The other runner hasn't run down the one that started before everyone else. However, his time to each mile marker is faster than the runner that started before everyone. Why would someone try to say the runner behind is slower than the other two?

Well i just don't think there is the virtual race you refer to. Whether the 360 started first or not doesnt change the fact that it has a bigger user base, and the Ps3 will only catch up (if it ever does) when the sticker prices are more competetive. But that is just what the average , non forum consumer looks at. Plus being that more people have the 360, there will inevitably be more people selling the 360 that have a 360, therefore, have a larger salesman base for influence. the PS3 will have the occasional spike here and there giving the illusion to catching up, but I think that is years away if ever. Fine by me though. keeps the servers less bogged down with a lower install base


On top of it, lets face it...The 360 has a larger games library. Even though my 13yo knows the PS3 is a powerhouse, there are more games on the 360 for him to play.

Personally I won't play games on the 360, and I will only play them on the PS3 at this stasge if the games have trophy support (stupid isnt it) but I find it adds something for me to be able to see as acomplishments. If you wonder why my mind is set for that stupid reason look at my signature and you might sorta understand a little (you would have to be able to read into that to understand my cryptic comment)

EDIT: GAWD I type too much. But I have been wanting to comment on this sort of thing for a while, even though I know that people will still not care about what I say, their mind is set on what it wants, and that is fine by me

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by pmac

Well i just don't think there is the virtual race you refer to. Whether the 360 started first or not doesnt change the fact that it has a bigger user base, and the Ps3 will only catch up (if it ever does) when the sticker prices are more competetive. But that is just what the average , non forum consumer looks at. Plus being that more people have the 360, there will inevitably be more people selling the 360 that have a 360, therefore, have a larger salesman base for influence. the PS3 will have the occasional spike here and there giving the illusion to catching up, but I think that is years away if ever. Fine by me though. keeps the servers less bogged down with a lower install base


On top of it, lets face it...The 360 has a larger games library. Even though my 13yo knows the PS3 is a powerhouse, there are more games on the 360 for him to play.

Personally I won't play games on the 360, and I will only play them on the PS3 at this stasge if the games have trophy support (stupid isnt it) but I find it adds something for me to be able to see as acomplishments. If you wonder why my mind is set for that stupid reason look at my signature and you might sorta understand a little (you would have to be able to read into that to understand my cryptic comment)

EDIT: GAWD I type too much. But I have been wanting to comment on this sort of thing for a while, even though I know that people will still not care about what I say, their mind is set on what it wants, and that is fine by me

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by pmac

And advertise the hell out of what the PS3 is capable of. Their commercials do not tell anyone why it should be the system of choice. They might have a few commercials, but their marketing is pi*s poor so no wonder why it sells less.

Paul

A-frickin'-MEN!!! Seriously I don't understand what mental block Sony's marketing department seems to have when it comes properly promoting the PS3. How hard is it to make simple, straightforward commercials that show people "hey, this is the PS3 and this what it can do." Instead they are trying way too hard to be clever and cutting edge. I love the latest one where the guy tells his girlfriend he just got them their new "movie download machine." I'm sitting there thinking "you gotta be kidding me?!?" For all the PS3 does, you chose the freaking VIDEO STORE feature to be the selling point?!? In the mean time NO games were shown and NO blu rays were shown or even mentioned. Absolutely ridiculous! Now, maybe it's just me but I would've thought that showing....oh I don't know.....The Dark Knight on Blu Ray might be a good idea. How about a montage of games like MGS4, LBP, Resistance 2, Motorstorm:PR, Wipeout HD, Valkeria Chronicles, and Uncharted? Oh but hell no. We can't do that cuz we gotta show off the freakin video download feature!!!

Geez, here's a thought. Why doesn't Sony put out a few info-mercials that properly demonstrate the system and all it's features? You really need more than a 30 second commercial to fully explain all the features the PS3 has. Or why not get a spokes person? You know someone that's popular and everyone could relate to. If George Foreman can sell the crap out of grills, why not hire some high profile celeb to promote the PS3?

[owa]

Originally Posted by Porfie

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10132039-52.html

Finally some good news. Thanks for the link.

[pmac]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

I have no doubt you are correct!

[Baked]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

Well I have 2 360's (to my shame), mainly because it took 4 months for M$ to return my RRoD 360 (lots of phone calls and lots of lies from M$, and some people wonder why I despise them so much). I'm guessing that I'm not the only person that has done this either.

My cousin had to send his PS3 in to Sony. Sent it on Friday got a replacement on Wednesday 5 days now thats customer service.

[york weir]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

There were a few months in 2008 where the PS3 was gaining but overall the lead has extended.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

Actually, that's incorrect. It was down to 5 million just a few months ago. That shows how quick 2 to 3 million units can be shifted and the PS3 has 7 more years on the market.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

Actually, as it had been demonstrated earlier, the PS3 had been closing in during most of 2008 until October hit with the price cut (2nd in a year for the 360 on many markets).

This being said, numbers (from MS no less) don't lie.

360 has sold 28Million boxes in 3 years, while the PS3 has sold 20 million in 2, worldwide.
Those 2 numbers might be shipped boxes for both though.

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

Real sources I've seen suggest just the opposite. THe PS3 has sold more working systems per month. The MS lead probably widened in America, but PS3 has an edge in Europe, and an insurmountable lead in Japan.