How do you rate the picture quality of a Blu Ray

[petenad]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

is this a troll or are you seriously asking this question on a site called BLU-RAY.COM?

Well i do work out of my basement ........so I'm troll like I just haven't felt the need to commit to a player. My plasma doesn't have HDMI and I would want one to have HDMI to get the full effects? I bought the TV years ago before I really new what the new technology was all about. And at the time I had a crappy Sony receiver. I'm kinda hoping my wife's tv fries or sometime. Then I can get a new one.

[[1080-p]]

Originally Posted by reece

I think if you saw some of your favorite films, some how magically re-shot on digital cameras, you would change your mind. grain can occasionaly be more distracting on blu then at the theatre, but the benefits of film is what really makes some movies so special, visually speaking

visually grain is trash in any video its all noise
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...ctive%26sa%3DG

http://www.digitalvision.se/products...mple_large.jpg

http://www.warezindustries.com/index.php?showtopic=6469

[RiseDarthVader]

Originally Posted by [1080-p]

visually grain is trash in any video its all noise
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...ctive%26sa%3DG

http://www.digitalvision.se/products...mple_large.jpg

http://www.warezindustries.com/index.php?showtopic=6469

/facepalm

Did you even read the explanations of grain? Or even see the links I posted which shows what happens when you try to digitally remove grain? Funny thing is the links you posted are of either artificially added grain or how DIGITAL cameras have digital noise. And yet you go round saying how Digital cameras will get rid of the grain "problem".

EDIT: You don't like grain go back to DVD and don't watch movies at cinemas.

[[1080-p]]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

/facepalm

Did you even read the explanations of grain? Or even see the links I posted which shows what happens when you try to digitally remove grain? Funny thing is the links you posted are of either artificially added grain or how DIGITAL cameras have digital noise. And yet you go round saying how Digital cameras will get rid of the grain "problem".

EDIT: You don't like grain go back to DVD and don't watch movies at cinemas.

i'm saying its time they got rid of those black dots its just not realistic having them there is no place for them on blu-ray

besides its based on how i rate movies not yours

[RiseDarthVader]

black dots not "realistic"? There is simply no way to get rid of the grain it IS the image. It's like brush strokes of a painting. And trying to digitally remove grain is like removing pixels from an image. It cannot ever be dont without losing detail. And forcing directors to switch to Digital is a bit ignorant it's like telling picasso you can't use a brush because we don't like the brush strokes in your paintings. The only thing we can do about grain with modern technology is make it finer. That way it is smaller, less noticble and still keeps all the detail.

[greatfoxmusic]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Edit: for example look here a comparison of a movie with grain in it and full of detail compared to one where the studio applied DNR to get rid of grain. Notice how you lose details

Grain: http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...h/b3117d0d.png

No grain: http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...h/33985abe.png

That is so totally not FAIR. Is the UK release region-free? I have the US version and everyone's face looks smoothed-out, like a wax museum..

Anyway to stay on topic, I look for film grain because this means there was no excessive DNR. The grain in film makes the motion look lively. Digital video is not film-like and never will be. Anyone using the term "digital film" is seriously confused.

[SellmeyourDVD]

Originally Posted by petenad

I still have a regular DVD player is it really that much better?

lol


I feel that grain is very distracting. I never even knew about film grain till I started watching blu ray. IMO grain KILLED 300 for me

[RiseDarthVader]

If you mean the directors vision killed 300 then okay..............

I am always surprised how much more senior members here don't understand grain or black bars. Come on you were the early adopters you should know about all the tech all ready.

[[1080-p]]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

black dots not "realistic"? There is simply no way to get rid of the grain it IS the image. It's like brush strokes of a painting. And trying to digitally remove grain is like removing pixels from an image. It cannot ever be dont without losing detail. And forcing directors to switch to Digital is a bit ignorant it's like telling picasso you can't use a brush because we don't like the brush strokes in your paintings. The only thing we can do about grain with modern technology is make it finer. That way it is smaller, less noticble and still keeps all the detail.

you trying to serve me a side of gut-soup and ewh we are talking chunky!!

[leov36]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

EDIT: You don't like grain go back to DVD....

agree 100%

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

black dots not "realistic"? There is simply no way to get rid of the grain it IS the image. It's like brush strokes of a painting. And trying to digitally remove grain is like removing pixels from an image. It cannot ever be dont without losing detail. And forcing directors to switch to Digital is a bit ignorant it's like telling picasso you can't use a brush because we don't like the brush strokes in your paintings. The only thing we can do about grain with modern technology is make it finer. That way it is smaller, less noticble and still keeps all the detail.

Do you know what DNR is?
Did you know that if used correctly with a gentle hand, it can remove unwanted artifacts without destroying the movie?

Did you know that 90% of all Blu-ray Discs have had DNR used on them to some extent?

DNR is not a shotgun tool, you can eliminate grain and noise from areas that really shouldn't have any and leave other areas of the same frame/scene alone.



https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=61482

[FIDDYPOP]

I just like movies. Blu Ray is the best there is, and thats what Ill stick with until there is something better. Some movies look better than others, and I judge them by colors and 3d look.

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by FIDDYPOP

I just like movies. Blu Ray is the best there is, and thats what Ill stick with until there is something better. Some movies look better than others, and I judge them by colors and 3d look.

I agree!

[RiseDarthVader]

Yes I know what DNR is but some people here just want excessive DNR applied to remove all traces of grain. I am aware some DNR needs to be applied to fix up imperfections of the negative or prints like scratches or dust.

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Yes I know what DNR is but some people here just want excessive DNR applied to remove all traces of grain. I am aware some DNR needs to be applied to fix up imperfections of the negative or prints like scratches or dust.

Full On DNR would kill many movies - agreed.
DNR used properly, and even more widespread than currently, could clean up and IMHO, improve some movies.

The other end of the spectrum of what you say about people here is also kind of disturbing.

"Grain, embrace it"

It seems that they don't fully understand what grain most people are talking/complaining about.

The sky behind the main characters in a scene shouldn't "sizzle" with artifacts caused by the grain of the film.
You've seen it, it's distracting to some of us.
So much so, it kills the enjoyment of watching the movie itself.

This has been(and still is) a pet peeve of mine regarding High Definition.
EVERYTHING gets seen better - even the "bad stuff".
Blemishes on the actors, the scenes, and even the grain that should have been removed while leaving the detail of the main movie.

It CAN be removed without damaging the movie.

[RiseDarthVader]

Yeah but I would prefer to see the movie in high definition as close to the source material as possible. So I am one of the people that like grain.

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Yeah but I would prefer to see the movie in high definition as close to the source material as possible. So I am one of the people that like grain.

Even the grain on stationary objects that are in the background?
In the sky behind the main characters of the movie?
Anywhere it isn't really required but is there distracting you from the movie itself?

The original source should have had more cleanup before making it to the theater - so when transferred to our Blu-ray Discs, there would be no distractions.
Why do you think DNR is used on our BDs?

Grain where detail is needed, cool!
Grain where it isn't needed, bad.
Grain where it isn't needed can be removed without hurting the good.

As the saying goes - Garbage in, Garbage out.

Just trying to explain that not all grain is good grain.