BD Managed Copy Launches in 2010, New Player Required

[Grubert]

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We reported early this week that the recently-approved final AACS license included Managed Copy, enabling consumers to make one copy of any Blu-ray Disc they buy. Now additional details on the acquisition procedure and on the actual rollout of this feature have arisen. Soon, the vast majority of BDs will support Managed Copy, but studios will be able to charge for it, and new players will be needed.

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AACS Content Participant Agreement

[bhampton]

Why don't they believe in Blu Ray as it is?!?!?

If they keep changing it ... people will never take interest in it.

Whoever is in charge is a maroon. If you want it to replace DVD then you have to decide at some point the format is finalized.

I hate this plan. Lets see if we can make everyone buy new Blu Ray players again.

For anyone who "needs" a backup of a Blu Ray ... there's always the option of buying 2 copies.

Blu Ray is the best but ... I'm thinking it's too complicated for it's own good. I hate the digital copies that come with Blus. It's like in case Blu Ray fails here's this super compressed itunes version as a consolation prize.

Forgive me but this managed copy thing really bothers me.

Remember VHS.? DVD was too complicated for many people and lots of people have no idea to this day what aspect ratio is. Now a Blu Ray will soon require a training course.

I hope these tweaks don't kill the format... because I like Blu Ray. I have no use for digital copy, managed copy, BD live, Bonus view or video games packaged with movies. Just movies please in High Quality.

=Brian

[Sciatti]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I hope these tweaks don't kill the format... because I like Blu Ray. I have no use for digital copy, managed copy, BD live, Bonus view or video games packaged with movies. Just movies please in High Quality.

=Brian

+1.
The article makes it sound like you'll need a new player only if you want the ability to make copies and your current BD player will still be able to play the movie. Am I wrong?

[BluLobsta]

Originally Posted by Sciatti

+1.
The article makes it sound like you'll need a new player only if you want the ability to make copies and your current BD player will still be able to play the movie. Am I wrong?

Nah, a new player will only be required for Managed Copy features. This seems kinda ridiculous, though. Why not just update the firmware on existing players for those who want the feature?? Stoopid Another money-making venture from the people with all the money They're raking in huge cash over Blu and they can see a gold mine....

[bhampton]

Hello again,

I have a lot to do today but can't let this news bother me all day so,.. I'll make my final case against this new development and just be done with it.

Consider me... Give me a movie I like in HD with uncompressed audio and I'll buy. I guess I'm a profile 1.0 fella.

But wait... a lot of people (with ADD) can't watch unless you can have at least 2 programs on the screen at once... bring on profile 1.1. You can have your movie on and have the actors telling you how great it was to work with this director and the stunt crew reminding you how difficult this scene was and so on.

But wait ... I can't find the film's website! ... google is too hard for me... Ok,.. bring on Profile 2.0. We will turn your disc into a web experience like AOL in 1996. Slow as can be but you asked for it.

But wait... I just got a cell phone with a little LCD screen I need my movies on there!... Ok.. Here's a digital copy. You bought the movie in High Def but you need to watch it on your cell phone and just going to itunes and buying it there is too much to ask of you so ... we're here for ya.

But wait... When I buy a happy meal it comes with a toy!... Ok,.. we got special editions now that come with little action figures so you'll be alright.

But wait... the anti-scratch coating isn't good enough.. I need several copies to ensure my movie is "safe"! Ok... here's a new thingie that will let you backup your Blu Ray onto... a DVD or a thumb drive. Dial up our database and see if you meet all the security checks and maybe will will give you yet another itunes version so you can sleep with the knowledge that you have several copies of your whole library or at least the titles that have this feature.



And with that ... I rest my case... I'll try to pretend the people in charge of Blu Ray are not trying to kill it with this new stuff.

Managed copy .. brought to you by Toshiba.

-Brian

[Blu Titan]

I have very little interested in "managed copy". Fist, it appears that they will make you pay for the copy. Second, you will need a new BD to watch the managed copy. Think I will pass.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Hello again,
Managed copy .. brought to you by Toshiba.

Where did you read that?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by BluLobsta

Nah, a new player will only be required for Managed Copy features. This seems kinda ridiculous, though. Why not just update the firmware on existing players for those who want the feature?? Stoopid Another money-making venture from the people with all the money They're raking in huge cash over Blu and they can see a gold mine....

A few things:

(1) Many players don't have USB or Ethernet. How would the Managed Copy data get off those?

(2) Most players are underpowered. Managed Copy includes provisions for re-encoding at different resolutions under different codecs and DRMs. That requires a heck of a lot of processing power, unless you'd be happy waiting days for a copy to occur.

(3) If the license keys are different for playback and copying (which I expect) then the device would have to have been designed to allow expansion in the number of licenses (I believe they are stored on stored on a secure chip or in a secure section of the SoC).

Gary

[ObiTrentKenobi]

BD-Live? PooPoo
Profile 2? PooPoo
Digital Copies? PooPoo
Managed Copies? PooPoo

Just give me the movie in HIGH DEFINITION!!!

Maybe then prices on movies can come down just a little more if they quit trying to add sooooo much crap to the packaging!

[Anthony P]

Nah, a new player will only be required for Managed Copy features. This seems kinda ridiculous, though. Why not just update the firmware on existing players for those who want the feature?? Stoopid Another money-making venture from the people with all the money They're raking in huge cash over Blu and they can see a gold mine....

maybe some players will be upgradeable, but think of it, MC is all about making a copy. Assuming you have a stand alone player, you put the BD in the player, where do you make the copy? How do you FW a player without an HDD to it's HDD?

[BluLobsta]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

maybe some players will be upgradeable, but think of it, MC is all about making a copy. Assuming you have a stand alone player, you put the BD in the player, where do you make the copy? How do you FW a player without an HDD to it's HDD?

Yeah, I was thinking of how the player would function, not a player/burner lol I just think a new piece of hardware solely for the purpose of making a backup copy of a Blu is kind of counter-intuitive but that's me...I mean it sounds like the new players will have more in common with my PC than with my other pieces of HT equipment. Just let me make an archive copy of my Blu on my computer under DMCA Fair Use and I'll be fine....

[mikephorse]

Are there any blu ray players that will read 50gb rewritable discs.? I notice blanks are really down in price these days.

[singhcr]

Most of them do, yes.

[mikephorse]

This is the reply from Samsung:

Customer reference number: 2116921666
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Dear Mike,

Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Support.

Unfortunately as this format is relatively new it is not yet supported by any of the commercial Blu-ray players currently available.

If there is anything else we can help with, please let us know.

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