120 Hz LCD and Blu-ray

[DarkClown]

Originally Posted by MrRoy

Unfortunately, I have a keen eye and pick this stuff up. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix seems to be the biggest culprit for the judder/choppiness. In the beginning scene, when the camera is panning down over the field, the passing cars viewed from top down and the bushes/trees all seem to be moving down in chunks, almost jumping on the screen. When it is being displayed at 60hz, it isn't as smooth as butter, but it is about 90% gone.

There seems to be a lot of variables in this. For me, when I first got my BD-P1400 player every movie I tried was noticibly choppy no matter if I ran it at 24fps or 60. The solution that worked for me was to invest in a decent HDMI cable. I went through 4 different cables until I found one that worked right. After that I never see any chop, which is quite different than the 'stutter' effect caused by a fast pan at 24fps. As many have suggested, just go to a theater and that effect is quite obvious on film too. The choppiness caused by the poor HDMI signal was exactly that. Choppy. Uneven. Probably caused by randow frames being totally dropped. While the stutter in a film is quite evenly spaced, so while still noticible, it is not as distracting as chop.

I've seen a few people here asking how to change the frame rates. I have little doubt that different models of equipment work in different ways. My TV automatically changes the rate according to the source it is receivng and it lets you know so on screen. So if I want to switch between 24 and 60 I tell the player what rate to send to the TV and the TV switches rates to accomodate. I personally opted not to spend the extra money for the 120hz because I was un-impressed by it. Actually it looked quite good when playing back broadcast TV and animated Blu-Rays. But I too thought it made movies shot on film look too fake. If I watched a lot of sports on my HDTV I'd probably have opted for 120hz as the motion clearly is much smoother.


To each his own I guess.

[ccplant]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

I just bought a new 120hz Sony LCD and the 1st Blu Ray movie I watched was Pirates of The Caribbean: At World's End and was very surprised at how fake the picture looked! The picture looked so fake that I thought I was watching a cartoon version of Pirates of The Caribbean.

I would like to get the impression from anyone on this forum that also owns a 120hz LCD.

Cortiz, Im pretty sure you have to change your Blu-ray Player output from 60i/60p to 24fps. It's the only way your TV will display you movies correctly. I've heard nothing but great things about this TV from people who have it setup properly. If it's running at 60i/60p it might look weird.

I've been looking into this myself and heard that what you have to do is have your player running 24fps and/or have the Motionflow (or whatever it's called) turned off. Motionflow is best used for SD television. In-fact I heard people saying that it makes a big improvement on SD content.

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by DarkClown

But I too thought it made movies shot on film look too fake. If I watched a lot of sports on my HDTV I'd probably have opted for 120hz as the motion clearly is much smoother.


To each his own I guess.

That's because your eyes aren't used to it. I turned if off often after I first bought my tv; now I leave it on all of the time. It adds a lot to my picture. I've got big, thick hdmi running from my blu ray player to tv as well (10-point something giga herz or whatever the rating is)

[jcurra01]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

I just bought a new 120hz Sony LCD and the 1st Blu Ray movie I watched was Pirates of The Caribbean: At World's End and was very surprised at how fake the picture looked! The picture looked so fake that I thought I was watching a cartoon version of Pirates of The Caribbean.

I would like to get the impression from anyone on this forum that also owns a 120hz LCD.

Yea, I think it looks amazing. It makes movies look like you are watching the MAKING of the movie.

Anyway, I think this will be the new standard in HD. You can bet they'll perfect this and remove ALL judder from it in the future.

[jcurra01]

Originally Posted by glenn-bob

my thoughts exactly, except i'm on an XBR.

I dont have either, but I think the sammy is smoother, less judder with the cinemotion feature

[kx11]

120hz is for games that has frame problems not movies

but i wanna have one of those because of the 10-bit video proccesing feautre

[Blu_Ray_Fan]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=33838

This is a "STICKY"!!!!

It has nothing to do with the 120hz, it has to do with cinemotion being turned on.

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[zxvfrr41]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

ive got a samsung 120hz...I love it. It weirded me out at first, but my eyes are now used to it and in my opinion it adds a lot of pop and makes the picture even more interesting to look at. I'm a big 120hz fan

I saw a setup at Best Buy playing Pirates of the Caribbean and thought it looked pretty awesome. I was trying to describe it to my friend and thought it looked kind of 3-D. The soap opera description above is an interesting way to describe it though.

[DarkClown]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

That's because your eyes aren't used to it. I turned if off often after I first bought my tv; now I leave it on all of the time. It adds a lot to my picture. I've got big, thick hdmi running from my blu ray player to tv as well (10-point something giga herz or whatever the rating is)

oh well.... too late this time.
maybe on my next TV.
this one I just got at Xmas time so I'm not yet ready for an upgrade.