House: Two Stories (1986-1987) (Limited Edition)

[Wildcat2000]

Well House is actually a huge favorite of mine. I have the DVD but always knew it would eventually get an HD version and was super excited when I saw it announced.

Even so I'm not really upset about this. Once I watch the bluray I'll be able to see how distracting I find it but stuff like the arm being visible bothers me since it's not part of the movie. Hopefully that's the worst of it.

I wonder if Arrow would have been allowed to edit things out like that if some things now show up due to being in HD. Although that comes back to just properly framing it to begin with.

[tenia]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

I just looked through my Arrow discs to see if they had done any other IP remasters that weren't provided/scanned for them, but couldn't find any. I've been told that several IP scans they did (which I don't own) have similar issues with extra information at the sides. If this is true then I think that these issues are due to Arrow's practices.

(Hellraisers and Creepshow 2 aside)

Some Arrow releases using already existing IP-sourced masters :
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
The Long Goodbye
L'assassino
Black Mama, White Mama
Rage of Honor
Sheba Baby
Buckaroo Banzai
Deranged
Beyond The Valley of the Dolls
Hired to Kill
The Zero Boys
Return of the Killer Tomatoes


IP-sourced made by / for Arrow :
Crimes of Passion
The Girl who knew too much
White of the Eye
Dillinger
Audition


I'd be interested to know which "several IP scans they did have similar issues". I've seen Crimes of Passion, White of the Eye and Audition and don't recall at all such issues.
I've seen most of the other releases and I don't recall such issues either.

[nitin]

I am not convinced that Creepshow 2 and Dillinger are misframed, I watched a bit of both earlier today and on the whole, I dont think there was any noticebaly off framing throughout (unlike Hellraiser 3 and House).

Sure it would probably be possible to make caps of the odd shot here and there, but on the whole both Creepshow 2 and Dillinger look ok to me.

[tenia]

There have been discussions already about why at least parts of Creepshow 2 are misframed (I'm not convinced about the whole movie being misframed though) and I have to admit this is the first place where I read Dillinger being misframed.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by tenia

(Hellraisers and Creepshow 2 aside)

IP-sourced made by / for Arrow :
Crimes of Passion
The Girl who knew too much
White of the Eye
Dillinger
Audition


I'd be interested to know which "several IP scans they did have similar issues". I've seen Crimes of Passion, White of the Eye and Audition and don't recall at all such issues.
I've seen most of the other releases and I don't recall such issues either.

Oh, I do have a few of those (The Girl Who Knew Too Much, White of the Eye and Audition), however it says in the booklet that White of the Eye was a new scan from the original negative instead of an IP.

The ones that I heard had issues were Crimes of Passion and Dillinger.

Originally Posted by nitin

I am not convinced that Creepshow 2 and Dillinger are misframed, I watched a bit of both earlier today and on the whole, I dont think there was any noticebaly off framing throughout (unlike Hellraiser 3 and House).

Sure it would probably be possible to make caps of the odd shot here and there, but on the whole both Creepshow 2 and Dillinger look ok to me.

DVD Exotica posted a piece on the new Creepshow 2 release by Arrow along with many comparisons showing anomalies introduced by the new framing including goofs, unfinished animation for the animated scenes and even aspect ratio changes due to there being no more information available to fill the screen.

http://www.dvdexotica.com/2017/02/co...creepshow.html

This along with the person who scanned the IP admitting that the whole film was framed for the remaster based on the titles is pretty damning evidence that it's improperly framed as the screenshots on the link above indicate that the credits, live footage and animated scenes all have their own unique framing and should be adjusted accordingly.

I don't know about Crimes of Passion or Dillinger as I have never even seen them but if there is a noticeable amount of new picture information at the left-hand side (telltale sign) then there's something to be suspicious about.

[Wernski]

Originally Posted by nitin

I am not convinced that Creepshow 2 and Dillinger are misframed

Not sure about Dillinger, but Creepshow 2 definitely is. Have a look at the shots here, and there's plenty more cases of problem shots besides.

[nitin]

Thanks guys, I only saw about 10-15 min of Creepshow 2 today and didnt notice anything egregious but those shots are pretty damning.

[nitin]

Originally Posted by tenia

There have been discussions already about why at least parts of Creepshow 2 are misframed (I'm not convinced about the whole movie being misframed though) and I have to admit this is the first place where I read Dillinger being misframed.

As MichaelB previously posted though, the framing for Creepshow 2 was not adjusted by Arrow per scene/shot but was kept consistent throughout. So it can only be either completely misframed or not, not in between.

[spawningblue]

Originally Posted by tenia

Inflating the price when saying "it's expensive so it should be made with care" kind of is counter productive and manipulative.
Since, you know, you had to inflate the price to support your point.

I didn't inflate the price. I paid $106, plus tax, so about $120. That's how much it sells for on Amazon.ca. At other stores like HMV and Cinema One it is $120 (Before closures) and $130. I believe it was $90 at one time, but either way, it was a pricey set for three films, more so when one has massive framing issues that Arrow refused to fix or even properly acknowledge.

Yes, the Canadian dollar is terrible right now, but I can find Scream titles for $15-$30, so the point stands that it was a lot of money for three films. Even at $80 US, with how cheap a lot of films are in the US, that almost makes it worse.

Either way, I'm glad that you are ignoring the main point of my post, instead making several posts arguing that I'm inflating prices, as if that makes Arrow ignoring these issues any better.

[Mpmarks1975]

Ha coincidence of the day reading this and "you're no good" starts playing in Starbucks... ok thats my day done!

[tenia]

Originally Posted by spawningblue

Either way, I'm glad that you are ignoring the main point of my post, instead making several posts arguing that I'm inflating prices, as if that makes Arrow ignoring these issues any better.

As I said, when using such an argument, it's much better to be precise. In the present case, I thank you to have explained how come you ended up with such a high price (for which I'm sorry for you, it clearly was more expensive than it should have been). It seemed much higher than the prices I ever saw the set and thought you inflated it by mistake.

However, as you might have noticed since, I moved back to more technical elements and am not ignoring the main point of your post (though the point read more as "it is expensive and thus should be flawless", not just "it should be flawless").

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...4#post13408444
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post13409628
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...9#post13410279
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...9#post13412309
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2#post13412402
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...5#post13412545
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...0#post13412820
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...6#post13412826


I also wrote in the original post, quote : "It doesn't change the technical problems with Hellraiser 3".

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

however it says in the booklet that White of the Eye was a new scan from the original negative instead of an IP.

I double checked and you're right, White of the Eye is an OCN restoration. My bad.

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

I don't know about Crimes of Passion or Dillinger as I have never even seen them but if there is a noticeable amount of new picture information at the left-hand side (telltale sign) then there's something to be suspicious about.

Caps-a-holic show it's the case for both of them.
The question would then be : does it reveal any thing it shouldn't, and is it bad enough to ruin the compositions ? The baseline would be if the DVDs we're comparing them with had too much zooming in / cropping, and the right framing is somewhere in the middle.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Are either Dillinger and Crimes of Passion Lakeshore properties?

If most of Arrows IP scans seem to have the same characteristics in regards to extra image on the left-hand side (along with the top and bottom to maintain the aspect ratio), then I think that Lakeshore are being unjustifiably thrown under the bus and that this is likely an issue caused by Arrow. After all James White stated that they made the decision to add more picture to Hellraiser III, not Lakeshore. It sounds like Lakeshore just scanned the IP then sent it to Arrow assuming they would do the clean-up, framing, etc.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Are either Dillinger and Crimes of Passion Lakeshore properties?

If most of Arrows IP scans seem to have the same characteristics in regards to extra image on the left-hand side along with the top and bottom to maintain the aspect ratio, then I think that Lakeshore are being unjustifiably thrown under the bus and that this is likely an issue caused by Arrow. After all James White stated that they made the decision to add more picture to Hellraiser III, not Lakeshore. It sounds like Lakeshore just scanned the IP then sent it to Arrow assuming they would do the clean-up, framing, etc.

I think Crimes of Passion must be, distributed by New World, was a Starmaker VHS, Anchor Bay DVD, now Arrow Blu-ray.

[hYPE]

Originally Posted by TripleHBK

House 1+2 are the reason I (and most) are buying the collection for sure. However the cost to have the UK set shipped to my home (4 movies and all) is still less than buying the 2 film only collection. Essentially for what I paid it's like getting 2 movies for free. Add in that the 3rd film is uncut Where as Scream Factories release is the R-Rated cut, and that part 4 is with Warner Bros and therefore incredibly unlikely to ever see a domestic release.

You really can't go wrong with either set, but for me personally having all the films in a complete package (especially when that package costs less than the US edition) was enough reason to go for the UK edition.

I couldn't believe how cheap the UK set is with shipping to the US, it was barely nothing when I looked the other day. I think I'll buy both sets just so I can have III & IV.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Are either Dillinger and Crimes of Passion Lakeshore properties?

If most of Arrows IP scans seem to have the same characteristics in regards to extra image on the left-hand side (along with the top and bottom to maintain the aspect ratio), then I think that Lakeshore are being unjustifiably thrown under the bus and that this is likely an issue caused by Arrow. After all James White stated that they made the decision to add more picture to Hellraiser III, not Lakeshore. It sounds like Lakeshore just scanned the IP then sent it to Arrow assuming they would do the clean-up, framing, etc.

Arrow have done tons of scans though and only these Lakeshore movies seem to have this issue. I'm not sure if Dillenger is Lakeshore or not, but even if it's only 5 out of 6 or whatever it's still way too much to be a coincidence.

[Talyn]

Originally Posted by hYPE

I couldn't believe how cheap the UK set is with shipping to the US, it was barely nothing when I looked the other day. I think I'll buy both sets just so I can have III & IV.

Where did you buy at? If I may ask?

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Arrow have done tons of scans though and only these Lakeshore movies seem to have this issue. I'm not sure if Dillenger is Lakeshore or not, but even if it's only 5 out of 6 or whatever it's still way too much to be a coincidence.

They have done very few IP scans though, and these are mainly the ones which have the same issues.

Here are all the IP scans by Arrow that I'm aware of:

Creepshow 2 (Lakeshore)
House (Lakeshore)
House II (Lakeshore)
Crimes of Passion (Lakeshore)
Dillinger (MGM, looked it up)
Audition
The Girl Who Knew Too Much

It's no surprise that most of them that seem affected are Lakeshore titles as the majority of Arrow's IP scans, that I know of, are from Lakeshore.

[Goblins]

My set arrived today. I ordered through Amazon UK and I wish I hadn't, other than that I'm very pleased. The set itself is gorgeous and I can't wait to dig in.

[YelllowSamuel]

Maybe I've missed something here, but why are people talking about the aspect ratio in relation to the scans? You scan the whole frame, upto and including the borders. You don't crop and mask to any sort of aspect ratio as you're scanning.

[drb124]

I suspect this will be another Hellraiser 3 situation in that we will receive a flawed product and nothing will be done. I don't really understand Arrow as they have gone above and beyond in some situations (Shivers), and then essentially told customers tough s*** in others (Hellraiser 3, Blind Woman's Curse). You would think that a limited set that sold out prior to release would merit some response, but as far as I know Arrow has not commented on the framing of the House set (US or UK).