HD DVD Advantages?

[oldmike]

Originally Posted by sparksj

Do you think the fact that the BR code has been crack change anything? I'm guessing no. Now that the capacity issue is well known, they will probably keep their support. If their is anyone that will know how to put that extra space to use it will be Disney.


Normally, I always go with what Disney says. If anyone has a history of accurately predicting where the future will take us, it's Disney. The problem is that if HD DVD gets enough players in homes by the end of fourth quarter , the 5 to 1 attach rate of HD DVD will start to put a dent in BR's lead. But that's just my prediction/fear. (And that is not based on what I want to happen, just what I think may happen)

lol you thing some one that gets a $99 player will buy 5 to 1 LOL

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by oldmike

just go back to AVS talking to you is like talking to a wall

You must not have read my last post to you, because I actually agreed with you. Still trying to figure you out man???

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by sparksj

Point #1: the 1080p HD DVD still alot cheaper
Point#2: All HD DVDs have worked on my player. Can't say the same for BR
point#3: We agree
Point#4: even so, 51GB HD DVD has been approved. To your point though, we don't know whent he disks will start being produced. So not an arguably great advantage (for now) But I already gave that to BR, so no news there
Point#5: Not really. MP3 was around long before Ipod. Given huge Hard drive capacities, people still chose to copy music to their PCs in MP3 format.
We could both argue point 5 for days and not get anywhere. Lossless audio has not been proven to be significantly better than comperessed that I'm aware of. Altthough I would love to see a test.

My point is that the "better" quality does not always trump price. Ipod also had the "cool" factor which neither HD disk format has at this point.

Apple should come out with a white BD disk player. That would change the tides

1 - Define a lot - because no, there is not much of a difference between a BR and HD DVD player that can play 1080p.
2 - I've had no problems with any of my BDs, I have read much about having to boil HD DVDs and problems with combos. I have no intention of ever having first hand experience with HD DVD.
4 - 100GB BR discs are coming. You don't even know if they will work in your HD DVD player so don't bet that it will ever come out or HD DVD "finalized" spec will come into question. I do know that a BR disk with PiP will play in a 1.0 BD player, you just won't get the PiP (which is crap anyway. PiP is not new, it's been around for years. I have it in my tv an never use it).
5 - Your right, because no way will anyone convince me that lossy sounds as good as lossless. I prove it every time I switch between a lossy track and a lossless one. Night and day difference - no 2 ways about it. BTW, the only reason the songs are stored on huge HDD on pcs is so they can put them on the space challenged MP3 players. With disk size increasing on mp3 players, people will probably go to some form of lossless encodes IF they care about it when listening on their portable player. I know I don't when I use my Ipod, but I only use my Ipod when working out or walking the dog. Any other time I listen to music, it's never via a lossy source. My guess is that there will always be space restrictions on portable devices because other forms of media will be crammed into them. Lossy = good for portable, Lossless = good for HDM.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by sparksj

My info comes from the October 28th release information. Check it out

LOL, wonder why you want to look at only a small same in time...

Fact is HD DVD had the lead, lost it and won't get it back....

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by sparksj

Actually you just plug it in and it works. I had no setup.

Plug it into what?

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by oldmike

lol you thing some one that gets a $99 player will buy 5 to 1 LOL

Absolutely... It goes something like this..."wow I just saved $300 over the Blue ray player (not counting the PS3 because they likely didn't know about it). I can now afford to buy a few movies"....

I perosnally know three people that did that very thing (not that that's of any statiscial value. It just personal experience. I realize that).

The point that I'm trying to make here is that, to most, all of these specs are not as significant as we all make them out to be. This format is in danger of lasting longer if BR doesn't do something fast to reduce the prices even more. Hel, even a BR fanboy has to admit what's going to happen when "Joe Public" can buy an HD DVD payer for $10 more than an upconverting DVD player. I can't understand whay that's so hard for you to get past. You're right in may not be to the specs of the BR player, but for that price, one can buy three of them (one for each TV) and still pay less than one BR disk player. Are you truly saying that lossless sound and more capacity would make that person change their decision?

If so, then you must not be earning your own money.

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

Plug it into what?

Plugged in my LAN cable.

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

1 - Define a lot - because no, there is not much of a difference between a BR and HD DVD player that can play 1080p.
2 - I've had no problems with any of my BDs, I have read much about having to boil HD DVDs and problems with combos. I have no intention of ever having first hand experience with HD DVD.
4 - 100GB BR discs are coming. You don't even know if they will work in your HD DVD player so don't bet that it will ever come out or HD DVD "finalized" spec will come into question. I do know that a BR disk with PiP will play in a 1.0 BD player, you just won't get the PiP (which is crap anyway. PiP is not new, it's been around for years. I have it in my tv an never use it).
5 - Your right, because no way will anyone convince me that lossy sounds as good as lossless. I prove it every time I switch between a lossy track and a lossless one. Night and day difference - no 2 ways about it. BTW, the only reason the songs are stored on huge HDD on pcs is so they can put them on the space challenged MP3 players. With disk size increasing on mp3 players, people will probably go to some form of lossless encodes IF they care about it when listening on their portable player. I know I don't when I use my Ipod, but I only use my Ipod when working out or walking the dog. Any other time I listen to music, it's never via a lossy source. My guess is that there will always be space restrictions on portable devices because other forms of media will be crammed into them. Lossy = good for portable, Lossless = good for HDM.

I define a lot as $299 ($199 on black Friday) vs $399. Even at MSRP it's 25% cheaper

To point #5, I bet you have a great sound system. Most people buy the Walmart suround sound in a box. It won't make a difference to them.

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by sparksj

Do you think the fact that the BR code has been crack change anything? I'm guessing no.

I think the BD ROM-Mark probably matters more to Disney than BD+. The whole thing about HD DVD being easy to replicate seems to apply to the professional pirates too, where HD DVD doesn't look like they addressed the professional piracy issues much, while Blu-ray has the ROM-Mark to try to shut the professional pirates out from stamping pirated copies of movies. As paidgeek of Sony has explained, the studios have largely lost whole markets to piracy. While there isn't enough of a market for it now, if the market for HD on disc takes off I'm sure the professional pirates would prefer that they can make their discs cheaply and easily without getting shut down, while I think Disney much prefers having that ROM-Mark protection for higher density discs (it is mostly too late for DVD).

--Darin

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by sparksj

Plugged in my LAN cable.

...what is that plugged into?

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

LOL, wonder why you want to look at only a small same in time...

Fact is HD DVD had the lead, lost it and won't get it back....

No.. It's year to date as of 10/28. Meaning last updated on 10/28, but in includes YTD as well as since inception. Why would you not want the most recent info???

[Storm501]

So far I've not seen a blu-ray advantage PQ/AQ wise over HD-DVD or vice versa. The same film on either format looks and sounds equally good. Till BD gets significantly better transfers and encoding it will be a hard sell to the average consumer when a videophile like myself has a difficult time distinguishing between the two format's current film offerings. The BDA needs to get on the ball and demand higher quality encoding and digital remastering of films to showcase the advantages of BD or HD-DVD will have the advantage. Films such as the recent Spiderman 1 and 2 should have had better transfers...they are not bad just not anywhere near as good as Spiderman 3's. If we are going to be complacent and not demand the best the BD format has to offer then why not just drop BD and go with HD-DVD.

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by darinp2

I think the BD ROM-Mark probably matters more to Disney than BD+. The whole thing about HD DVD being easy to replicate seems to apply to the professional pirates too, where HD DVD doesn't look like they addressed the professional piracy issues much, while Blu-ray has the ROM-Mark to try to shut the professional pirates out from stamping pirated copies of movies. As paidgeek of Sony has explained, the studios have largely lost whole markets to piracy. While there isn't enough of a market for it now, if the market for HD on disc takes off I'm sure the professional pirates would prefer that they can make their discs cheaply and easily without getting shut down, while I think Disney much prefers having that ROM-Mark protection for higher density discs (it is mostly too late for DVD).

--Darin

I completely agree. I surprised that more people don't quote this is a winning spec over HD DVD. To me it is one of the most significant advantages.

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

...what is that plugged into?

It goes from my router to the back of by HD DVD player.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by sparksj

I define a lot as $299 ($199 on black Friday) vs $399. Even at MSRP it's 25% cheaper

To point #5, I bet you have a great sound system. Most people buy the Walmart suround sound in a box. It won't make a difference to them.

Like I said, people don't buy the cheapest item because it is the cheapest. Haven't I already proven this to you???? What is the most popular MP3 player? The Ipod. Which MP3 player is the most expensive? The Ipod.

Case closed you the HD DVD price argument...it doesn't hold water.

I do enjoy my sound system, but you don't need an expensive sound system to hear the difference. I can also hear the difference using my computer sound system....sorry, all you have to do is listen since the sound system is the same, any difference in the source can be heard.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by sparksj

It goes from my router to the back of by HD DVD player.

BINGO and you proved my point....YOU had to set up your router.

You had to setup DHCP.
You had to setup PPPoE.
You had to figure out what goes wrong with it.
You will have to do the firmware upgrades to the router.
What if they want to use static IP?
Who will explain to them what DNS is?
What is a default gateway?
Subnet mask?

How do you expect the "below average intelligence" (I fixed the typo for you) to do the above, if they aren't capable of doing a firmware upgrade on their HDM player?

[sj001]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

Like I said, people don't buy the cheapest item because it is the cheapest. Haven't I already proven this to you???? What is the most popular MP3 player? The Ipod. Which MP3 player is the most expensive? The Ipod.

Case closed you the HD DVD price argument...it doesn't hold water.

I do enjoy my sound system, but you don't need an expensive sound system to hear the difference. I can also hear the difference using my computer sound system....sorry, all you have to do is listen since the sound system is the same, any difference in the source can be heard.

Backing up Matrix here,

Regarding the sound quality issue, I have a fairly basic 5.1 speaker setup, and I can tell a VERY noticeable difference between DD 5.1 and PCM.

Now as far as price, don't you think most people who are buying Hi-Def TVs or have one and are looking for a player will have the marbles to do a little research first? I think so, and the people who just snatch these firesale players, do you think they want to spend $25-$30 on media, doubt it.

Most people will walk into a store, and when they look at all the options: hmmm, Blu-ray, you can get Sony, Panasonic, Phillips, LG, Samsung, Sharp, and more down the road, including the cheapo Funai player coming out. OK, let's go over and look at the HD-DVD players shall we? We have Toshiba, and Toshiba, and Toshiba? Aren't there any other choices? Nope? Hmm, why is that???? HMMMMM?

[oldmike]

most that got the $99 player are bargen shopers they will never pay $30 a movie as long as there are $5 dvds

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by sparksj

No.. It's year to date as of 10/28. Meaning last updated on 10/28, but in includes YTD as well as since inception. Why would you not want the most recent info???

I know, but do you know that HD DVD had the lead and lost it????

You have much research to do....

[sj001]

Originally Posted by sparksj

It goes from my router to the back of by HD DVD player.

The average person doesn't want to hook their player up to a network.

A PS3 person might though... oh but wait, PS3 people don't buy movies.