As predicted, Vizio being sued by known universe for non-payment of royalties

[ThePhantomOak]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

You're missing the point. The point is that by spending a little more, you can buy legal, quality televisions instead off the off brand. If people wouldn't be so impulsive, and would save their money (I saved for 2 years) they could afford quality as well.

Why did you save for 2 years and not 18 months or 48?

Simply put, you found a maximum utility for consuption and acted on it. For you it was worth waiting 2 years, and not worth waiting 4 years. Simple as that. To say that my utility should match yours or that I (or someone else who bought Vizio) am "impulsive" is foolhardy.

I spent years in the military for the MGIB, and years in construction to supplement, so that I could finish a degree in 3 years. Is someone who can afford to go right into college from highschool impulsive or do they have a higher income?

Impulsive is not what my Vizio buy was. Informed is what I would call it. If I had saved the money, it would have taken me almost two years anyway. 3 years would leave me with $800 and STILL Vizio would be my only choice. So what is more impulsive, saving for 2 years for a nice TV, or saving for 2 years for a crappy TV?

Maybe some of the people here would be kind enough to give me the money to make up for my impulsive budget and saving. I am starting to think maybe I dont make enough money to like Blu-ray

[ThePhantomOak]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

You know what set I had to tolerate while I was saving up? A 19" Emerson that my dad bought in 1984 and threw away about a decade ago. It gets 3 channels (it still works, I run it while I use my computer on my good display), and has a mono input and no cable TV jack. So, basically I had nothing as well. There was a time that I almost splurged on an intermediate unit, but I kept reminding myself how much happier I would be in the long run if I just waited. You don't have to be a "moneybags" to hate Vizio. I've never trusted them.

They will get away with their shenanigans for the most part, but they will probably also get shut down, at least in the US.

PM me if you have any more to say. Arguing (what I see this turning into) on a forum is hyper ghey. Suffice it to say I do not have the income. You say poor, I say I had higher priority.

I am very happy with my Vizio. If you dont understand why after my 1800 word essay( ), that is fine.

[JJ]

I know how you feel, Monsieur Oak - back when I had a Vizio I was frequently berated - statements such as "people who buy Vizios are the ones who buy HD DVDs as well" were commonplace. I mean, DAMN! Seriously - everyone's situation is different. Mine served me well, yours served you well. Here's a corny joke for everyone = we should be all be named Mario cuz we keep getting 1-Up'd.

The serious case of oneupmanship on this forum is getting crazy.

(although this is no way relates to the Vizio manufacturing debate, simply to the financial situations debate of individuals)

[WickyWoo]

Why did you save for 2 years and not 18 months or 48?

Because I decided the kind of TV and the performance I wanted from it, and saved money until the balance=purchase price of the current model that met those specs

[stockstar1138]

how hard is it to understand that phatomoak might have higher priorties than his HT.

Vizio is good enough for him, it satisfies him, so why do you care so much about his HDTV, will you ever have to watch it? no.

Personally, I think Vizios are absolute sh1t, but if it makes him happy and he thinks it looks good, who am i to say that his HDTV was not the correct choice for him and his budgets/needs. Its not like I am affected by his desisions. Its not like Vizio is putting the top HDTV manufacturers out of business and high line sets are going to leave and in place we are going to have sh1tty vizios.

To him spending 2000 on a HDTV might be a huge misuse and waste of money, but you don't see him criticizing the way YOU spend YOUR money.

[ThePhantomOak]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

how hard is it to understand that phatomoak might have higher priorties than his HT.

Vizio is good enough for him, it satisfies him, so why do you care so much about his HDTV, will you ever have to watch it? no.

Personally, I think Vizios are absolute sh1t, but if it makes him happy and he thinks it looks good, who am i to say that his HDTV was not the correct choice for him and his budgets/needs. Its not like I am affected by his desisions. Its not like Vizio is putting the top HDTV manufacturers out of business and high line sets are going to leave and in place we are going to have sh1tty vizios.

To him spending 2000 on a HDTV might be a huge misuse and waste of money, but you don't see him criticizing the way YOU spend YOUR money.

Whoa! I just think it looks better than my old TV... It looks "good enough" for me. It looks like shit next to the least expensive Sharp 1080p. not $800 better for my income.

But everything else is right on.

[WickyWoo]

Why don't we return the conversation to "Vizio sued by known universe for non-payment of royalties" instead of the "Vizio sucks" that it's turning into

[Tarheel72]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Apex is "back". I saw a new LCD in the store recently.

Amazing how some will rationalize their cheap sets. They really don't care about real picture quality (one wonders why they're on blu-ray.com and not on VHS-EP.com). With the pitiful contrast ratios (true contrast, not just dynamic) I can't even imagine trying to watch something like an Alien film on one. "See that dark blob? That's an alien. I think. No, wait a sec, that's Ripley...no, it's Burke...uh...Hudson?"

Standard TV also looks like absolute trash. Now I don't expect great picture but not the bleached, blurry mess that a Vizio gives for standard channels. And black is BLACK. Not dark grey.

Samsung's entry level sets wipe the floor with Vizio.

Videophiles like me and others hope this lawsuit succeed because the QUALITY television market is being hurt by companies like these. I dread the day the generics get a hold of a BD license and destroy the format like they did DVD.

While it's true that companies make product in China, it's different from product engineered and marketed from China. A Panasonic made in China isn't like a Mintek made in China.

I really should not do this but I can't help myself. My dear Peter, do you know what you sound like? "Videophiles like me "? Come on man, don't be so condescending. I own high end equipment and have professionally ISF calibrated video displays. I also own two of these "cheap sets" as you call them. Neither of them displays the "bleached, blurry mess" as you so eloquently put it. Saying the picture is not as good as a more expensive calibrated set is not the same as saying the set is trash and the picture is worthless. Not only does my Fios feed deliver more than adequate results (on both HD and non HD channels, thank you) but the DVD picture using a simple up-converting player is more than acceptable on a 42" plasma viewed from about 8 feet.

You make it sound like the picture is a jumbled mess of blobs and colors with no discernable difference in shading other than muddy white and dark gray, which apparently are the only two colors the set can produce given your experience.

I still think that the Vizio is a good bargain given the price you pay, the 2 year warranty you can get at a Costco, and the size screen you can take home. Face it Peter, some people like boxed wine, rubber flip flops, and flank steak. That does not make them idiots or sub human when compared to "Videophiles" like you. God help them, they are probably even enjoying listening to that piece of trash through a Bose speaker system! My goodness, it is then end of civilization as we know it!

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Why don't we return the conversation to "Vizio sued by known universe for non-payment of royalties" instead of the "Vizio sucks" that it's turning into

Isn't the second topic you mentioned really just a less clever way of stating the first topic?

FWIW, I haven't been working in home theatre sales this year, so its possible Vizio's quality has improved (tremendously) in the past 8 months or so, but I doubt it. As others here have mentioned, they are essentially (yet another) fly by night Chinese company with very deep pockets that advertises like they've been around forever and will continue to be, but is completely lacking a repair and customer service structure. They're in it to make as much as they can quickly, and they will be gone within a few years. Then, another huge player will emerge out of nowhere (backed by lots of the same money) but that officially has no ties to Vizio. That's the way they do business, and nothing seems likely to change it.

As for their quality, the last store I sold home theatre equipment for started carrying Vizio, though basically just online and for phone orders. We had a few on display thrown in the back corner where we hoped no one would see them, because just dealing with the issues from the online and phone sales was more than enough trouble. I think I sold maybe 5 total in the time I was there, compared to several hundred Sony and Samsung LCDs, a considerable number of Pioneer and Panasonic plasmas, and a ton of Sony SXRDs before they were discontinued. People are quick to see the "deal of the week" and think its a great buy, but one way or another, "you get what you pay for." Just as HD DVD fans learned the hard way, so will those who think they got a "steal" on an off-brand television. Now, if you couldn't afford a higher end model, and are okay with the fact that your set likely won't be supported as long or as well, then that's fine -- I don't begrudge anyone that. If you are okay with the companies that make those cheaper products screwing over the companies that actually developed the technology, then there's something wrong with your moral compass.

[Therickus]

Originally Posted by nitteo

My generic Cialis works well, thank you. Actually, my wife thanks you.

Hahahaha....way to make this thread worth reading.

[cawgijoe]

Originally Posted by Tarheel72

I really should not do this but I can't help myself. My dear Peter, do you know what a pompous ass you sound like? "Videophiles like me "? Come on man, don't be so condescending. I own high end equipment and have professionally ISF calibrated video displays. I also own two of these "cheap sets" as you call them. Neither of them displays the "bleached, blurry mess" as you so eloquently put it. Saying the picture is not as good as a more expensive calibrated set is not the same as saying the set is trash and the picture is worthless. Not only does my Fios feed deliver more than adequate results (on both HD and non HD channels, thank you) but the DVD picture using a simple up-converting player is more than acceptable on a 42" plasma viewed from about 8 feet.

You make it sound like the picture is a jumbled mess of blobs and colors with no discernable difference in shading other than muddy white and dark gray, which apparently are the only two colors the set can produce given your experience.

I still think that the Vizio is a good bargain given the price you pay, the 2 year warranty you can get at a Costco, and the size screen you can take home. Face it Peter, some people like boxed wine, rubber flip flops, and flank steak. That does not make them idiots or sub human when compared to "Videophiles" like you. God help them, they are probably even enjoying listening to that piece of trash through a Bose speaker system! My goodness, it is then end of civilization as we know it!

+1

[cawgijoe]

I just got Home Theater Magazine today and there is an article and review of three Costco budget 42" sets......the Vizio was knocked mainly for Contrast ratio and Black Level, but overall was praised.

We all know that these sets are not the best ones out there, but they serve a real purpose......for folks who truly can't or won't spend more.....or as secondary sets for other rooms where quality is not paramount.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Tarheel72

personal attack snipped

Must have struck a nerve.

As long as people need to get personal an electronics product their point is neutralized.

[BluRay2344]

i would never buy anything from vizio!

[cawgijoe]

Originally Posted by BluRay2344

i would never buy anything from vizio!

And that's your choice....good for you.....now let me get back to Jay Leno........

This thread needs to be shut down......it had good intentions but has become worthless.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

No, because they're A- a Japanese company, and B- Anyone given a license to build Blu is being watched like a hawk to make sure the wrong things don't go walking.

I'm sure the DVD situation lead to the AACS rules. One of which is the SoC suppliers are required to verify their customer is in good standing before shipping chips.

No fly-by-night will be capable of their own silicon, so this pretty much kills any royalty cheats for Blu-ray. And, by extension, continued DVD support.

Gary