Will Plasma owners transition to OLED?

[Robert Zohn]

Properly set-up LG's 4K OLED TVs motion resolution can be greatly improved. Not quite as good the 600 sub fields that help make PDP's motion resolution, but as good if not better than the best LCD TVs.

OLED has the fastest pixel switching of any display technology.

-Robert

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by DGilberts

I was coming round, getting excited and up for buying an OLED. Until I found out the life of the panels was so short. The Panasonic OLED has a 30,000 hour life panel, so I'm told. Will be a few more years before I'm jumping in then.

You must don't upgrade too often. Why do you think you come any where near the panels projected life span before upgrading? Panel lifespan is really not issue because most will be convinced to upgrade way before you hit any lifespan issues. Planned Obsolescence is a bigger for today's displays just like it is for consumer electronics in general. Plasma display technology is example of planned obsolescence.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Visionist

Not at all, not at all...



I'll be getting an OLED when: A) Multiple 4K 75+ inchers are available for £4000 or less. B) The best performer of the lot is undisputed. C) The always online 4K disk player fiasco is either gone or at least nullified. D) Enough of my favourite films start releasing on 4K disc (The Dark Knight Trilogy will really have me by the teeth at that point- 4K IMAX!) E) I figure out ho I'm gonna incorporate ATMOS into the bedroom setup.

Why do you and some others make size a criteria for supporting OLED ? If you own a Samsung smartphone or Tablet you know that OLED is already being implemented in small displays. I even hear the next IPhone will have OLED display. As far as I'm concerned OLED should be adopted over LED in any form as the future of display technology. PDP fans, supporters, videophiles, should support OLED technology, if not in purchases right now, verbal support or advocacy.

The thing is, the matter of resolution has (ie, 4K, 8K) has played a role in slowing the progress of OLED adoption. Basically, if you are buying a TV under 70 inches, you don't need a 4K set. However, the benefits of OLED can be obtained without need of a really large panel.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Why do you and some others make size a criteria for supporting OLED ?

Probably for the same reason they want projectors. They want a bigger view. The also don't want that crazy issue people had about plasma - loud noises that greater than 60" was not feasible, though Panasonic made a 120" plasma, just to prove them wrong.


When OLED reaches the mass market - something that is probably a few years away, at current pricing - the market will be filled with people upgrading in size. A legacy of warnings will actually stunt that market, since people will be used to hearing rumors of problems making larger screens, and all of the bogus "size charts vs. distance viewed" stuff over the years.

Originally Posted by Auditor55

If you own a Samsung smartphone or Tablet you know that OLED is already being implemented in small displays. I even hear the next IPhone will have OLED display. As far as I'm concerned OLED should be adopted over LED in any form as the future of display technology. PDP fans, supporters, videophiles, should support OLED technology, if not in purchases right now, verbal support or advocacy.

True. I've been waiting for a "kuro killer" since I got one, in 2009. OLED sounds like it might be the one, but the limited size has bothered me since Sony put out a small curiosity screen a few years back. It was a technology demonstrator, but far too small, and didn't have the correct resolution for Blu-ray.


Now, there's a serious size issue. They are asking very high prices for OLED at this time, and I'm going to wait for them to get this thing organized.

Originally Posted by Auditor55

The thing is, the matter of resolution has (ie, 4K, 8K) has played a role in slowing the progress of OLED adoption. Basically, if you are buying a TV under 70 inches, you don't need a 4K set. However, the benefits of OLED can be obtained without need of a really large panel.

It appears to be far more complicated than that. The increased color gamut is a major upgrade - not just the resolution. Size is only part of the picture, even though all the foot-dragging about UHD cripples new adoption. It's still being marketed as "four times the resolution", don't fall for that.


Marketing campaigns geared to a non-technical crowd is an ancient trick, that still works. You don't have to be technical to understand it. They're only marketing it that way.


I bought into 4k with a set that is fairly large, but doesn't have HDR. I'm not moving up until they make an even larger set (mine is only 79") and OLED isn't even going near that size for the mass market.


2K is nearly gone, as it should be. There are excellent 4K sets in the $1,000 range that are 60" and below. For some, that's plenty.


For others, who want 80" or more, there's nothing wrong with waiting. Flooding the market with small set is a philosophy from tube television days, and a 55" to 60" television is the equivalent of the old 36" "behemoth" of the 70"s.


Time to go big - they can do it, but simply won't. I'll just hang around until they milk this market dry.

[Auditor55]

2K is nearly gone, as it should be. There are excellent 4K sets in the $1,000 range that are 60" and below. For some, that's plenty.

I've have seen 65 inch 4K TV's going for $1100. However, most of them have one thing in common that makes them undesirable, poor blacks. When I look at 4K TV's in the store, the colors look great, however many of them have blue or purple blacks, which makes them unacceptable for videophiles. That is where OLED comes in. Again, I would much rather have an 1080p OLED over a 4K LED set. What makes OLED expensive is the 4K resolution thing. Apparently it must cost a lot to manufacturer OLED TV's with 4K resolution. I think if we had 75 inch 1080p OLED sets, they would still blow away 75 4K LED sets. A 75 inch 1080p OLED set would be cheaper than one with, in my opinion, useless 4K resolution. A 1080p OLED set with wide color gamut and HDR would be fine.

[Midnight Rambler]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Flooding the market with small set is a philosophy from tube television days, and a 55" to 60" television is the equivalent of the old 36" "behemoth" of the 70"s.

I assume you're referring to RPTV's, as CRT's were nowhere near that size. And I don't recall ever knowing anyone who had a RPTV, they were mostly the domain of very high-end users. Most people, at best, had a 19" or 25" CRT. I don't think we went to > 25 in. CRT's until late 80's/early90's ?

Only point being, it cracks me up when people today refer to a 50 or 60 inch TV as "small".

[Dean L]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

I think if we had 75 inch 1080p OLED sets, they would still blow away 75 4K LED sets. A 75 inch 1080p OLED set would be cheaper than one with, in my opinion, useless 4K resolution. A 1080p OLED set with wide color gamut and HDR would be fine.

My thinking too!!!

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Midnight Rambler

I assume you're referring to RPTV's, as CRT's were nowhere near that size. And I don't recall ever knowing anyone who had a RPTV, they were mostly the domain of very high-end users. Most people, at best, had a 19" or 25" CRT. I don't think we went to > 25 in. CRT's until late 80's/early90's ?

Only point being, it cracks me up when people today refer to a 50 or 60 inch TV as "small".

Times change. For many film enthusiasts wanting to have a cinema like experience 50" is indeed to small.

[hanshotfirst1138]

Well, when my plasma dies, I guess I'll have to .

[rubystone356]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

Times change. For many film enthusiasts wanting to have a cinema like experience 50" is indeed to small.

a 50 inch is considered small when you go the projector route. which is what I did. I had the gt25 plasma. now I have a gt1080 optoma projector.
its 144 inches width. 162 diagonal.
Jacob

[OldFool]

I am very satisfied with my 60ZT60. Although unprofessionally calibrated by me using Disney's WOW, it still remains the best picture I've ever seen on any TV. I have no plans on replacing it unless it dies, hopefully it will outlast me!

[dvdmike]

OLED is not ready yet, I finally ditched plasma this week for a 4k Sony LCD

[DangeRuss]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

OLED is not ready yet, I finally ditched plasma this week for a 4k Sony LCD

Personally.................................

For my plan ....... I'll be holding on to my Plasma Panels until they die ...... . Hopefully Panasonic will have afforable OLED panels ready for me by then

The only LCD's to grace my home are computer monitors

[DGilberts]

Originally Posted by OldFool

I am very satisfied with my 60ZT60. Although unprofessionally calibrated by me using Disney's WOW, it still remains the best picture I've ever seen on any TV. I have no plans on replacing it unless it dies, hopefully it will outlast me!

Seriously consider a THX calibration on your ZT. I was like you before, using calibration discs but a full calibration will really make a massive difference especially to the colors and perceivable depth in the 2D picture. These sets are capable of a reference picture to SHD standards. I will send you my before and after results in a PM.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by DangeRuss

Personally.................................

For my plan ....... I'll be holding on to my Plasma Panels until they die ...... . Hopefully Panasonic will have afforable OLED panels ready for me by then

The only LCD's to grace my home are computer monitors

Well, I had planned to hold onto my plasmas until they die.

Then they did.

lmaooooo. What are the chances?

Anyway, I'm sure everyone here has already seen my sob stories re: my red-tinted Kuro and my infected 65ZT60. They were perfect. But I had the misfortune.

But, for what it's worth, I enjoy my 65JS8500 LED LCD. I will readily admit it isn't perfect, but no current display technology is. I watch more movies now than I ever did before, too.

If I hadn't just dropped 3Gs on the 8500 six months ago, I would look seriously into the G6 LG OLEDs.

blah blah blah, I tried projectors, blah blah, my room defeated them, blah, probably going to be living in this apt for another year or two blah so maybe later I'll blah a projector setup again blah because a 92" blah was awesomerblah than a 65" blah.

[antennahead]

Originally Posted by JJ

Well, I had planned to hold onto my plasmas until they die.

Then they did.

lmaooooo. What are the chances?

Anyway, I'm sure everyone here has already seen my sob stories re: my red-tinted Kuro and my infected 65ZT60. They were perfect. But I had the misfortune.

But, for what it's worth, I enjoy my 65JS8500 LED LCD. I will readily admit it isn't perfect, but no current display technology is. I watch more movies now than I ever did before, too.

If I hadn't just dropped 3Gs on the 8500 six months ago, I would look seriously into the G6 LG OLEDs.

blah blah blah, I tried projectors, blah blah, my room defeated them, blah, probably going to be living in this apt for another year or two blah so maybe later I'll blah a projector setup again blah because a 92" blah was awesomerblah than a 65" blah.

So, my Kuro is still rockin' and doing bedroom duty. My main set is my 65" ZT60. I really want a 78" to 80" set in the main room, but don't want to give up my plasma for an LED. Do you think I'd be happy going big with an LED? I'm not so sure size will trump quality. The ZT60 is near perfect.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by antennahead

So, my Kuro is still rockin' and doing bedroom duty. My main set is my 65" ZT60. I really want a 78" to 80" set in the main room, but don't want to give up my plasma for an LED. Do you think I'd be happy going big with an LED? I'm not so sure size will trump quality. The ZT60 is near perfect.

Size trumps quality (in my opinion and experience), however, my caveat would be I had a 92" screen versus the 65" - the level of immersion is amazing, at the sacrifice of black level. I found it totally acceptable at the outset, as did my friends/family members.

I would've lived with it perfectly fine, it's just that my viewing distance is restricted to 7' due to room layout, and it got a little overbearing after 6 months at that distance. But the straw that broke the camels back was the utter uselessness of the system in daytime hours. Because at nighttime I could achieve total blackout (save white walls) and the experience was like nothing before. But during the day I couldn't stop the sunlight from leaking in - I have a pair of 8'x20' windows in my main room.

I do not think going 75" from 65" - or even 80" from 65" would be a willing compromise for image quality, especially if you like the dark deep blacks in a minimally light-polluted environment. (Read, my 65JS8500 has great blacks for an LEDLCD but I now use bias lighting to trick myself into better blacks and contrast levels.)

[antennahead]

Originally Posted by JJ

Size trumps quality (in my opinion and experience), however, my caveat would be I had a 92" screen versus the 65" - the level of immersion is amazing, at the sacrifice of black level. I found it totally acceptable at the outset, as did my friends/family members.

I would've lived with it perfectly fine, it's just that my viewing distance is restricted to 7' due to room layout, and it got a little overbearing after 6 months at that distance. But the straw that broke the camels back was the utter uselessness of the system in daytime hours. Because at nighttime I could achieve total blackout (save white walls) and the experience was like nothing before. But during the day I couldn't stop the sunlight from leaking in - I have a pair of 8'x20' windows in my main room.

I do not think going 75" from 65" - or even 80" from 65" would be a willing compromise for image quality, especially if you like the dark deep blacks in a minimally light-polluted environment. (Read, my 65JS8500 has great blacks for an LEDLCD but I now use bias lighting to trick myself into better blacks and contrast levels.)

I may just hold out another year or two and see what happens with OLED, as well as further advancements with LED.

[DGilberts]

Originally Posted by antennahead

I may just hold out another year or two and see what happens with OLED, as well as further advancements with LED.

Holding out for an OLED is the best idea. I can't wait to see what is achieved with this technology once the motion and panel life is sorted. Exciting times ahead.

[antennahead]

Originally Posted by DGilberts

Holding out for an OLED is the best idea. I can't wait to see what is achieved with this technology once the motion and panel life is sorted. Exciting times ahead.

Yep, I'm VERY susceptible to motion issues....... main reason, plus panel life and IR, where I'm hoping for improvements.