PS3 never stop impressing me... Best system I ever bought!!

[ikbradley]

Originally Posted by Blinkman987

Just like the PS3's RCA cables!



Just like a PS2!

I don't know why people are bashing 360. It's a fine system full of great games. Early versions have hardware issues, but the warranty is for 3 years and which systems outside of Nintendo haven't had hardware issues?

You can watch a Blu-Ray on PS3. You can't on 360. Who knew that the Bluray people would shove 500-700 mil (estimate) at WB to go Blu? There's now one format. You aren't on the ****ing blu-ray payroll or team. Stop acting like you won something. Did you get a check in the mail when OJ was cleared of murder in criminal court too?

PS3 is an ok system too, but it does have its flaws. It's the most expensive system, has a crappy controller, awful online store in both design and content, etc... Every product has flaws. The PS3 plays next gen movie discs. That's all people should care about and most of the PS3 flaws don't even apply to people who just use it as a movie player.

Dragonraine, at least try to hide the fact you haven't resurfaced within a week of getting banned; or am I mistaken, and you are simply a disciple of Dragonraine?

The WB bribe was created by AVSforum zealots and there was nothing ever to substantiate the claim. WB was faced with choosing a side which had the majority of studios and a growing install base that was into the millions, or choosing a side which dumped goods illegally into North America, purchased studios with 'promotional money' and burned every bridge with other manufactures by selling their base models below cost and pushed out even the cheap chinese knockoffs. WB made a decision based on which company had the better business model and sales. This was pretty transparent. You have to really get a better schtick before trolling Blu-ray.com.

If you truly believe what you say, I suggest the AVS is the place to go. There are plenty of distraught HD DVD zealots who would warmly embrace you.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by Blinkman987

Just like the PS3's RCA cables!
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Who knew that the Bluray people would shove 500-700 mil (estimate) at WB to go Blu?
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Ah, so we have a HDDVD supporter (or rather apologist) in our midst, hence the embarrassing claims.

Originally Posted by ikbradley

Dragonraine, at least try to hide the fact you haven't resurfaced within a week of getting banned; or am I mistaken, and you are simply a disciple of Dragonraine?

The WB bribe was created by AVSforum zealots and there was nothing ever to substantiate the claim. WB was faced with choosing a side which had the majority of studios and a growing install base that was into the millions, or choosing a side which dumped goods illegally into North America, purchased studios with 'promotional money' and burned every bridge with other manufactures by selling their base models below cost and pushed out even the cheap chinese knockoffs. WB made a decision based on which company had the better business model and sales. This was pretty transparent. You have to really get a better schtick before trolling Blu-ray.com.

If you truly believe what you say, I suggest the AVS is the place to go. There are plenty of distraught HD DVD zealots who would warmly embrace you.

Well put. On the other hand there is evidence about companies taking money from Toshiba for going HDDVD. Eg:
http://www.reuters.com/article/tech...=technologyNews

"We have a partnership with Toshiba and have an obligation to see this through," DreamWorks Chief Executive Jeffrey Katzenberg said on Tuesday.

"As you know, we have been well-compensated for our support. It really is in their court at this point to really declare what the next step will be. We're poised either way to jump into the marketplace when the conditions are right to do so," he said.


Toshiba ought to be ashamed of themselves for how they behaved. And the irony is, even with all the money they wasted, the US was the only place on the planet where HDDVD had any foothold at all. And even when they were giving players away for $150 with 7 movies (a massive loss) they still weren't getting anywhere. They created a bad marketplace situation and they only ones that actually benefitted were the studios who got the payoffs.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Blinkman987

You can watch a Blu-Ray on PS3. You can't on 360. Who knew that the Bluray people would shove 500-700 mil (estimate) at WB to go Blu? There's now one format. You aren't on the ****ing blu-ray payroll or team. Stop acting like you won something. Did you get a check in the mail when OJ was cleared of murder in criminal court too?

Warner did not get paid a huge pile of money for choosing Blu. The claim came from the Toshiba camp upset about the situation. And you accepted it without question.

Also, the figure is growing with time. When it occured it was $400-$500 million. Now, you have it estimated at $500-$700 million.

I can just imagine the stories in a few years:

"HD DVD had already won the war. Blu-ray was already falling well behind in disc sales. And Fox had agreed to become HD DVD exclusive, and then Sony paid Warner $2 billion and Fox cancelled their move."

Facts don't matter, right?

Gary

[Blinkman987]

Originally Posted by ikbradley

Dragonraine, at least try to hide the fact you haven't resurfaced within a week of getting banned; or am I mistaken, and you are simply a disciple of Dragonraine?

The WB bribe was created by AVSforum zealots and there was nothing ever to substantiate the claim. WB was faced with choosing a side which had the majority of studios and a growing install base that was into the millions, or choosing a side which dumped goods illegally into North America, purchased studios with 'promotional money' and burned every bridge with other manufactures by selling their base models below cost and pushed out even the cheap chinese knockoffs. WB made a decision based on which company had the better business model and sales. This was pretty transparent. You have to really get a better schtick before trolling Blu-ray.com.

If you truly believe what you say, I suggest the AVS is the place to go. There are plenty of distraught HD DVD zealots who would warmly embrace you.

I own a PS3. I do not own a 360, though my roommate does. I simply see flaws in everything I purchase. Nothing is perfect, but I just get sick of people believing that a system or company is beyond criticism. That's just crazy talk.

Oh, and as far as the WB bidding war, would you believe a popular business journal that doesn't care about any fanboyism whatsoever? This is like how Sony supporters got mad when Reuters said that Sony may not be in a position to gain substantially from Blu-Ray's win and then accused Reuters of hating Sony.

[ikbradley]

Originally Posted by Blinkman987

I own a PS3. I do not own a 360, though my roommate does. I simply see flaws in everything I purchase. Nothing is perfect, but I just get sick of people believing that a system or company is beyond criticism. That's just crazy talk.

Oh, and as far as the WB bidding war, would you believe a popular business journal that doesn't care about any fanboyism whatsoever? This is like how Sony supporters got mad when Reuters said that Sony may not be in a position to gain substantially from Blu-Ray's win and then accused Reuters of hating Sony.

I can tell you that I am not particularly mad. What I can say is that having watched this entire sordid affair at Blu-ray.com since I got my PS3 in early 2007, I can attest that Warner made it known that the sales of movies would be the deciding factor. This was said in the fall of 2007. People at Blu-ray.com were clammering to purchase WB Blu-rays to support the cause, even though Blu-ray had sold more WB units by a wide margin. As soon as the news at CES broke about the exclusivity at CES, AVS members who attended CES started circulating rumours that Sony had made a massive payment to WB. This is what Reuters and Businessweek picked up on. The validity of the source was never tested, because the rumour was dismissed. In contrast, the 'promotional payments' to Paramount and Dreamworks were confirmed by Toshiba, Paramount and Dreamworks.

I am not going to profess my undying love for the PS3. It needs in-game XMB, deliver AAA on time, fix motion control, etc. The 360 is a great system for FPS games. I think where you and I fundamentally disagree is the idea that WB was bribed. I just don't see it, because the VP of WB always said they would choose whoever sold the most units, and to no one's surprise, it was Blu-ray.

[martinstraka8282]

Originally Posted by Blinkman987

I own a PS3. I do not own a 360, though my roommate does. I simply see flaws in everything I purchase. Nothing is perfect, but I just get sick of people believing that a system or company is beyond criticism. That's just crazy talk.

Oh, and as far as the WB bidding war, would you believe a popular business journal that doesn't care about any fanboyism whatsoever? This is like how Sony supporters got mad when Reuters said that Sony may not be in a position to gain substantially from Blu-Ray's win and then accused Reuters of hating Sony.

A quote from the article you linked to:

"BusinessWeek reported in December that both DVD camps were offering Warner cash and incentives in exchange for exclusive support (BusinessWeek, 12/6/07). One source reported that Toshiba had offered to pay more than $100 million, while Sony bid closer to $400 million. But Meyer denied there was a bidding war and said Warner instead looked solely at global sales of both formats in making its decision. "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger," he said."

As you can see, it is all speculation, so stop talking like its a fact. you should precede your statement with, "I believe the rumours that WB was payed off". No one has proven anything, and there are many many factors to help prove that going BD exclusive was the only hope to end the war. I sense sour grapes here.

[Sonny]

I love those people^^^^^^^that believe everything they read specialy on the NET We KNOW who paid who to go exclusive ( toshi+para)

[Blinkman987]

Originally Posted by ikbradley

I am not going to profess my undying love for the PS3. It needs in-game XMB, deliver AAA on time, fix motion control, etc. The 360 is a great system for FPS games. I think where you and I fundamentally disagree is the idea that WB was bribed. I just don't see it, because the VP of WB always said they would choose whoever sold the most units, and to no one's surprise, it was Blu-ray.

I'd agree with you on all those points. If the WB was just a rumor, then that's fine. I still stand by my bewilderment that a single post criticizing Blu-Ray (which does have flaws) or Sony (which makes products with flaws) gets immediately attacked by people who seem to believe they're part of some Sony team. Surprise! Even the best products are not perfect!

I don't care how any of the tech companies do because I don't have any financial investment in them. My interests lie with the consumer (me) getting the best deal and best product, and not with some company.

[martinstraka8282]

Originally Posted by Blinkman987

I'd agree with you on all those points. If the WB was just a rumor, then that's fine. I still stand by my bewilderment that a single post criticizing Blu-Ray (which does have flaws) or Sony (which makes products with flaws) gets immediately attacked by people who seem to believe they're part of some Sony team. Surprise! Even the best products are not perfect!

I don't care how any of the tech companies do because I don't have any financial investment in them. My interests lie with the consumer (me) getting the best deal and best product, and not with some company.

I would agree that the PS3 isnt perfect, and that basically no CE product is. Different strokes for different folks, you just decide what your priorities are. For me to get a PS3 it wasnt even to get a BD player, it was always about the exclusive games coming in the future... MGS4, GT5, GOW3, TM3, Haze, Uncharted, resistance, etc.

[ikbradley]

Originally Posted by Blinkman987

I'd agree with you on all those points. If the WB was just a rumor, then that's fine. I still stand by my bewilderment that a single post criticizing Blu-Ray (which does have flaws) or Sony (which makes products with flaws) gets immediately attacked by people who seem to believe they're part of some Sony team. Surprise! Even the best products are not perfect!

I don't care how any of the tech companies do because I don't have any financial investment in them. My interests lie with the consumer (me) getting the best deal and best product, and not with some company.

I think at Blu-ray.com it's a question of presenting your beefs in a constructive manner. I know that you are aware of this, and probably just want to say it how you want to say it. The problem is that for the last year, the format war incited a lot of flame wars between Blu-ray and HD DVD enthusiasts, and it's taking awhile to get back to normal.

Do you have anything good to say about the PS3? If so, go ahead and state it and then choose to air your beefs. You are a new member and people get their backs up; is it weird? Yes. But that's how messageboards go. Blu-ray.com is not unique in this respect.

I think Sony produced a winner with the PS3. They sure as hell are dragging their heels with releasing Home and updating XMB. For the most part, it produces pristine upconverting, Blu-ray, a few really awesome games with lots coming down the pipe, and has a lot of untapped potential.

I agree with you about the PS3 store interface. I feel like I am in the triple jump at the special olympics when trying to navigate through menus. Really, have they thought of redoing the button scheme for navigating. Also, the browser is fugly as hell and does not interface right.

[richieb1971]

Holy Crap.

Both systems have positives. 360 has its online superiority (more games online, social interactivity) and PS3 has everything else. I notice alot of people here seem to think they know things, when in fact they are just reading stuff from somewhere else and bringing it to the table here.

Even if you hate the 360, I bet if you had one you couldn't dismiss all its positives. I won't buy one because I don't like Microsofts ideals.

[bone crusher]

Yeah the PS3 is probably the best piece of A/V gear or game machine I have ever bought. I really look forward to the games it has coming this year:

Gran Turismo 5
Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2
GTAIV
Dark Sector
Soul Calibur IV
Brothers In Arms: Hell's Highway

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by richieb1971

Holy Crap.

Both systems have positives. 360 has its online superiority (more games online, social interactivity) and PS3 has everything else. I notice alot of people here seem to think they know things, when in fact they are just reading stuff from somewhere else and bringing it to the table here.

Even if you hate the 360, I bet if you had one you couldn't dismiss all its positives. I won't buy one because I don't like Microsofts ideals.

I would NOT buy a 360 because I like products that last, P & S

[Rabidhunter]

I've got no problems with my PS3 at all. It's awesome at playing my movies. It's impressive, it really is. Even my non-gamer and non techie roommate has been impressed by it. I love the controls, I do kind of miss the rumble from the PS2 control, but I can live without it. I can play it comfortably anywhere in the room. The controls actually make sense. The Xbox controls seem
un-natural lo me. It's really the best system that money can buy, and it does everything without paying for the extras.

[martinstraka8282]

Originally Posted by Blinkman987

Just like the PS3's RCA cables!



Just like a PS2!

I don't know why people are bashing 360. It's a fine system full of great games. Early versions have hardware issues, but the warranty is for 3 years and which systems outside of Nintendo haven't had hardware issues?

You can watch a Blu-Ray on PS3. You can't on 360. Who knew that the Bluray people would shove 500-700 mil (estimate) at WB to go Blu? There's now one format. You aren't on the ****ing blu-ray payroll or team. Stop acting like you won something. Did you get a check in the mail when OJ was cleared of murder in criminal court too?

PS3 is an ok system too, but it does have its flaws. It's the most expensive system, has a crappy controller, awful online store in both design and content, etc... Every product has flaws. The PS3 plays next gen movie discs. That's all people should care about and most of the PS3 flaws don't even apply to people who just use it as a movie player.

I just had to quote this and say that even though a lot of people hate the PS3 controller, I very much prefer it to the 360 controller. I have owned both systems along with a PS1, PS2, and an original Xbox, and after all this time, I still would not give up my Dualshock3 for the 360 controller any day of the week.

[ToonyLoons]

Just had to add my two cents. I think the PS3 is a great system but I know it has flaws. I was more into the x360 before I had two die and replaced with refurbs from MS because of the three red lights system errors. Plus it almost feels like MS wants to nickle and dime you on everything they can with add-ons and content.

The x360 has the better online intergration also more games and more hit games. I choose not to support the x360 because I think it is a horrible piece of hardware because of the failure rate. The extention of the warrenty is not good enough for me. They should fix the problem, not just extend the warrenty. Almost everyone I know that has a x360 has had some problems with the system in it either dying from the three red lights or other minor problems. Most have had a system or two die on them.

I like the PS3 controller and can't wait for the new dual shock to hit. I am used to the controller since I have been a Sony gamer since the PS1. The x360 controller is probably one of the best controllers out. It has a great feel to it, but it does not make me hate the PS3 controller.

[Driver_King]

Originally Posted by Rabidhunter

I've got no problems with my PS3 at all. It's awesome at playing my movies. It's impressive, it really is. Even my non-gamer and non techie roommate has been impressed by it. I love the controls, I do kind of miss the rumble from the PS2 control, but I can live without it. I can play it comfortably anywhere in the room. The controls actually make sense. The Xbox controls seem
un-natural lo me. It's really the best system that money can buy, and it does everything without paying for the extras.

My friend just got his rumble. The Dualshock 3 is better than the 360's rumble and Dualshock 2's rumble hands-down, in my opinion.

[Driver_King]

I think the real failure rate of the 360 is actually higher than 30%. I've talked to about 10 classmates who've had the red ring of death on multiple 360s.

[awolpoland]

the ps controller is soooo much better than the 360 a few years back when i saw concept pics of the ps3 and saw it had a f@$#%& up controller i almost cried i wouldnt have bought it if they changed the controller

[awolpoland]

and how can i get my ps3 to wirelessly see my photos/music on my computer i didnt know i could do that??