What is your opinion of the way Sony has handled the marketing of the PS3??

[Volume11]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Hence the step up in advertising for 2009 titles. The purse strings are pretty tight right now at SCE, they are battling hard to post a profit for FYE 31/3/09, but they also want to promote their awesome games.

You have to rise above it, there is no other way. Let the games speak for themselves. Games sell more by word of mouth than by advertising in the long term anyway. Look at Uncharted, it has shipped over 1.5m copies WW (I can't give you the accurate figures, but arne from ND just at least 1.5m shipped) even though it got of to a pretty dismal start. When all is said and done, Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet will probably sell over 3m copies which is pretty amazing for a new IP these days. On the 360 side there was Gears of War, which sold by word of mouth, I know I bought it because a mate told me it was the best thing since sliced bread...

Actually, Gears was heavily advertised and received universal acclaim. Halo also was heavily advertised and received universal acclaim.

Word of mouth is something that would have made sense 15 years ago. With numerous gaming websites and sites like Metacritic, not too mention the insane advertising its hard to say games like Gears sold by word of mouth.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Volume11

Actually, Gears was heavily advertised and received universal acclaim. Halo also was heavily advertised and received universal acclaim.

Word of mouth is something that would have made sense 15 years ago. With numerous gaming websites and sites like Metacritic, not too mention the insane advertising its hard to say games like Gears sold by word of mouth.

Yeah, but no matter the amount of insane advertising and metacritic fixing, if Gears was shite, then it would have bombed.

Look at GTA4, it had a huge opening month, but because it has been received so poorly the normally very long tail that GTA games have hasn't materialised.

So yeah, T2 have shipped 10m copies, but they won't get to the 20m that SA shipped or 17m that VC shipped. Why? Word of mouth...

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by Volume11

I'm not even sure where to respond. I could do without the name calling and personal attacks, though. I love my PS3 and I sold my 360 last summer because I was sick of the RROD. Im not knocking the machine at all, I love it.

But, I forgot what site I was on...thank you all for reminding me.

I would encourage more absurd excuses and revisionist history lessons on Sony as they are quite entertaining.

Point out to me a single place where "Names were called" or you've been "personally attacked".

I repeat, you are excellent at seeing exactly what you want to see.

[Volume11]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Yeah, but no matter the amount of insane advertising and metacritic fixing, if Gears was shite, then it would have bombed.

Look at GTA4, it had a huge opening month, but because it has been received so poorly the normally very long tail that GTA games have hasn't materialised.

So yeah, T2 have shipped 10m copies, but they won't get to the 20m that SA shipped or 17m that VC shipped. Why? Word of mouth...

Yes, but that's a rare case and debatable as to whether or not it was bad. And this gen is a lot different than last gen. Its hard to compare numbers when GTA:SA was released when the PS2 had substantially more consoles shipped, not to mention its eventual release on the Xbox later in its life cycle.

And I didn't care for GTA4 because I'm tired of the series. While 3 was very innovative, 4 is basically a next gen rehash...but I know way more people that love it than feel the way I do about it.

And I ignore metacritic "fixing" if you are referring to the user reviews...I only go by the critical reviews. So I'm not sure what you are getting at with Gears. Was there a scandal I was unaware of? I know Halo had special sets sent out to reviewers but I never read about anything shady with Gears.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Well frankly I don't think Sony, MS, or Nintendo should have to pony up when it comes to 3rd party development. I think it's great that 3rd party titles come to as many gamers as possible, regardless of which console you own. However I do have a problem with all of the paid exclusive content that 360 owners have been getting. That's not fair to the gamer and in the end, that's who you're hurting. I think companies should consider that before taking the "quick buck" and isolating such a large number of gamers.

I disagree. 3rd party development should remain third party. Subsidies from the market holders makes these 3rd party developers look more and more like 2nd party developers. But I'm weird like that.

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Well seems I agree. My brain doesn't work right without caffeine, I am sorry.

[Omegaice]

overall handling of the marketing of the PS3 has been mediocre at best. I still see way more advertising for the 360 than our beloved machine. Hopefully that will change this year though. Maybe?

[lettucenpico]

I didn't know we bought a PS3 because of the commercials

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Volume11

Yes, but that's a rare case and debatable as to whether or not it was bad. And this gen is a lot different than last gen. Its hard to compare numbers when GTA:SA was released when the PS2 had substantially more consoles shipped, not to mention its eventual release on the Xbox later in its life cycle.

And I didn't care for GTA4 because I'm tired of the series. While 3 was very innovative, 4 is basically a next gen rehash...but I know way more people that love it than feel the way I do about it.

And I ignore metacritic "fixing" if you are referring to the user reviews...I only go by the critical reviews. So I'm not sure what you are getting at with Gears. Was there a scandal I was unaware of? I know Halo had special sets sent out to reviewers but I never read about anything shady with Gears.

Err, VC came out in 2002 when the PS2 installed base was smaller than the PS3+360 installed base but it still managed to outship GTA4.

With the metacritic fixing, I was referring to GTA4, where all of the major review outlets gave it undeserved 10/10s. There were many more games deserving of a 10/10 or GOTY.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

This is going to change though, on the hardware front, I think SCE mentioned something about listening to the users about better hardware at CES...

Hmm could you elaborate?

[Volume11]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Err, VC came out in 2002 when the PS2 installed base was smaller than the PS3+360 installed base but it still managed to outship GTA4.

With the metacritic fixing, I was referring to GTA4, where all of the major review outlets gave it undeserved 10/10s. There were many more games deserving of a 10/10 or GOTY.

In your opinion, which is a flawed argument because you can't prove it.

[lettucenpico]

GTA was a PS2 exclusive, til they decide to put them on the xbox. right?

[Volume11]

Originally Posted by lettucenpico

GTA was a PS2 exclusive, til they decide to put them on the xbox. right?

It was timed. Apparently that's when RS offered Sony an exclusivity buyout and they turned it down. But most of it is shrouded in mystery and I have found conflicting reports from the interwebzz and some friends in the industry...

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Volume11

In your opinion, which is a flawed argument because you can't prove it.

Which part, the first part? Or have you decided to ignore that. Also at current rates, the old PS2 GTAs actually outship the GTA4. How embarrassing is that!

Seriously, R* effed it up big time with GTA4, I just hope the spin-offs are more fun.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Volume11

It was timed. Apparently that's when RS offered Sony an exclusivity buyout and they turned it down. But most of it is shrouded in mystery and I have found conflicting reports from the interwebzz and some friends in the industry...

No. It was timed exclusive to PS3 until R* figured out how to port it without cutting anything to 360 (because of size limitations), but MS made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

Please don't allude to friends in the industry, if you are an insider state it. If not then please don't pretend to have inside contacts, all it would take me is a couple of phone calls to check (and then ban you for lying).

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Which part, the first part? Or have you decided to ignore that. Also at current rates, the old PS2 GTAs actually outship the GTA4. How embarrassing is that!

Seriously, R* effed it up big time with GTA4, I just hope the spin-offs are more fun.

How much do the ps2 gta's sell compared to part4?

This is the first GTA where i never picked up the game after i was done. all the rest i played nonstop, im sure alot of people did the same.

Did you see the trailer for gta lost? not interesting at all. and im not just saying cause its only on 360

Whats the chance of part 5 only on ps3 before MS intercepts with a check?

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by saprano

How much do the ps2 gta's sell compared to part4?

This is the first GTA where i never picked up the game after i was done. all the rest i played nonstop, im sure alot of people did the same.

Did you see the trailer for gta lost? not interesting at all. and im not just saying cause its only on 360

Whats the chance of part 5 only on ps3 before MS intercepts with a check?

Currently?

GTA:SA ships about 300-400k per calendar month, more at Xmas. VC does a bit less, and GTA4 less still (it has pretty much bottomed out in Europe and it didn't do very well in November's NPD even though there were over 1m new PS3+360 owners).

[Volume11]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

No. It was timed exclusive to PS3 until R* figured out how to port it without cutting anything to 360 (because of size limitations), but MS made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

Please don't allude to friends in the industry, if you are an insider state it. If not then please don't pretend to have inside contacts, all it would take me is a couple of phone calls to check (and then ban you for lying).

"Microsoft could have had Grand Theft Auto III on Xbox FIRST if a third-party publishing initiative called "The Star Chamber" hadn't turned down a Rockstar PROPOSAL, author Dean Takahashi claims in his new book, The Xbox 360 Uncloaked."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news150506xboxgta3

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150474


I'm sorry, and your credentials are???

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Volume11

"Microsoft could have had Grand Theft Auto III on Xbox FIRST if a third-party publishing initiative called "The Star Chamber" hadn't turned down a Rockstar PROPOSAL, author Dean Takahashi claims in his new book, The Xbox 360 Uncloaked."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news150506xboxgta3

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150474


I'm sorry, and your credentials are???

Haha, my credentials! You want to read the old insider threads, or my current one...

Anyway, I thought we were talking about GTA4?

[joeorc]

In my opinion no matter what Sony does for PR its never going to be good for some people..but when in the "MEDIA" post's bad press after bad press. or how Sony has lost so much money on the PS3 its just better to have the system perform on its own merits at this point. people have been very pessimistic of Sony this generation due to mainly the cost of the PS3. that's what the real issue is with the PS3..the blunt truth of the matter is the playstation system have alway's evolved:

ps1 : games +music=$300.00
ps2: games+music+movies=$300.00 and if you added the 40 GB harddrive kit+linux=$500.00
PS3: games+music+dvd+blu-ray+linux PC=$500.00

so that Sony asking $200.00 more when the PS3 was released for the Extra's that the PS3 offered. well if you did not want the extra's than people passed over the ps3

its alway's been the price, and until the price drop's:

PS3: game's +music+dvd+blu-ray+linux PC= $400.00 and for some people it's still too expensive. I hear all the time. Im not going to buy a PS3 until its $200.00. gee the same price as the next HD game system..

at this point even getting better add's on TV will still generate" its not enough" Sale's are still not high enough. it's because it is not leading the generation.

do people think Sony did not know it was not going to sell vast number's of playstation 3 systems when the other system's were way cheaper.

above the PR speak. Sony is in a position that is not all gumdrop's and lolipop's, but it's in the position, they are in and if it mean's spending les on TV ad's when their name is in the media almost every day. which is most more doom and gloom media post's. it's like throwing good money after bad.

the fact that Sony get free media coverage on regular basis, is still good press..
just think when the MEDIA will have to start getting out good press...wait that will mean more of the press will slow their post's on SONY..why because in this day in age good press is no press at all.

the old saying :"PICK YOUR BATTLE'S"

[Marquoz]

Originally Posted by Volume11

I'm sorry, and your credentials are???

His credentials are years worth of accurate comments. Read through his old threads and posts.