HD DVD Advantages?

[GaS]

Originally Posted by phloyd

Actually BD is 48.

The difference is really quite significant. Both formats use the same codecs. I think that the bandwidth limitation is my biggest issue with HD DVD - that and the capacity results in releases like Transformers with no lossless audio. Hardly fitting for the next generation of media - especially when there is an alternative that does not have that limitation inherent to the spec.

Isn't the max video bitrate for hd-dvd 30 Mbps?

[Stuman]

Originally Posted by Killer Cop

Hi.

I have a simple question. What make people think that HD-DVD is better than Blu-ray?

I mean, Blu-ray have larger space, bigger bitstream and better protection. What on earth does HD-DVD has of advantages???

I find HD-DVD discs make superb drink coasters. ...but that's just me.

[buckshot]

Originally Posted by oldmike

just go back to AVS talking to you is like talking to a wall

not quite a wall, but i did find a picture of him





although i must applaud him, i have never seen anyone with a 37 posts a day average. wow. thats quite an attach rate

[Anthony P]

the max spin rates are 54:36
the max AV (data) rates are 48:30
the max video rates are 40:29 (but if you make it 29 there is not enough place for audio so a dishonest 29)

[Anthony P]

although i must applaud him, i have never seen anyone with a 37 posts a day average.

as an HD DVD fan, it is not as if he has something better to do like watch a movie.

[Layd Dly]

Originally Posted by sj001

Lastly, at least the PS3 COMES WITH Blu-ray, and the games are on Blu-ray, not DVD-9's.

Yeah but at least the xbox has more than 4 good games.

My PS3 is aching to play something new other than movies but it has nothing, esp now that MGS4 has again been pushed back.

[Sling]

Originally Posted by Layd Dly

Yeah but at least the xbox has more than 4 good games.

Dont forget about the red ring of death and great noise.

[Papi4baby]

Originally Posted by sparksj

You're right. If Para was not bought out, where would they be? But they were. So what's your point. Put down the Sony cool aid and step away from teh table. Better yet, I challange you to give me one good reason why BR disk is better today. (and don't start with the , "they're future proof" thing, because I already agree with you there). Give me just one real world reason...

I said MORE FUTURE PROOF, and if i didn't say MORE, that's what i meant. Nothing is future proof.

Originally Posted by pflieger

I think things will only get better for Blu-Ray but if someone tells you a piece of technology is 'future proof" then they need to look at history, there is no such thing in technology as "future proof" everything gets replaced and technology advances.

Actually there is no real world reason that Blu-Ray is better then HD DVD right now, maybe in the near future or maybe not, who knows for sure?

Neither Blu-Ray nor HD DVD are "future proof", they will be around for quite some time the way it looks right now.

See above.

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

So please explain to me how the masses of "below average inteligance" (btw - it's spelled intelligence) people are going to connect their HD DVD player to the internet to enjoy those super fantastic and much talked about online features when they are too dumb to do a simple firmware upgrade?

Are you going to explain to them how to set up DHCP? PPPoE? How to configure a router? Security? Nope, they just won't bother connecting it.

Bye, bye "advanced" features talking point....

That's funny i just read a blog about a guy that got the A2 at walmart and guess how he did his player updates.....ready with a CD burned from the computer, he didn't want to run cable all the way to this AV equitment. Ouch there goes that ethernet port

Originally Posted by sparksj

Point #1: the 1080p HD DVD still alot cheaper
50 bucks cheaper, the informed consumer would look at studio support and would pay the extra 50 bucks easily
Point#2: All HD DVDs have worked on my player. Can't say the same for BR
Congratulations you got lucky with your player, as for Blu not working right, well it is still a new technology.
point#3: We agree
Point#4: even so, 51GB HD DVD has been approved.The specs for 50GBTLHDDVD has been aproved. To your point though, we don't know whent he disks will start being producedAt this rate it won't matter, there's a better rumor that the 100GB BD will work on current players with Just a FW. So not an arguably great advantage (for now) But I already gave that to BR, so no news there
Point#5: Not really. MP3 was around long before Ipod. Given huge Hard drive capacities, people still chose to copy music to their PCs in MP3 format.
We could both argue point 5 for days and not get anywhere. Lossless audio has not been proven to be significantly better than comperessed that I'm aware of. Altthough I would love to see a test.Wow, and you call yourself a tech enthusiast? Really come on, we are suppose to aspire for the best and baddes gear, not compromised. And about the test go read movie reviews and you will see PCM always gets better reviews that anything else.

My point is that the "better" quality does not always trump price. Ipod also had the "cool" factor which neither HD disk format has at this point.

Apple should come out with a white BD disk player. That would change the tides

Originally Posted by sparksj

That's still a "spec" responses. Show me where people could actually hear a difference in the two...

GO READ THE REVIEWS ALL OVER THE INTERNET.

Originally Posted by Storm501

So far I've not seen a blu-ray advantage PQ/AQ wise over HD-DVD or vice versa. The same film on either format looks and sounds equally good. Till BD gets significantly better transfers and encoding it will be a hard sell to the average consumer when a videophile like myself has a difficult time distinguishing between the two format's current film offerings. The BDA needs to get on the ball and demand higher quality encoding and digital remastering of films to showcase the advantages of BD or HD-DVD will have the advantage. Films such as the recent Spiderman 1 and 2 should have had better transfers...they are not bad just not anywhere near as good as Spiderman 3's. If we are going to be complacent and not demand the best the BD format has to offer then why not just drop BD and go with HD-DVD.

THAT'S FUNNY, all the reviews say other wise, Blu ray PQ and AQ has been superior to HDDVD by all review sites, except maybe those bleading red(MS). Is call google.

Originally Posted by sparksj

Not sure I agree with you on the Ipod issue, yes it was about $30 more than other players, but they didn't have the cool one-touch wheel (safer while driving). Also most of them had 6 or 8 GB capacity when I was looking. The Ipod had 30GB and a bigger screen. (I guess now you'll touch on the greater capacity of the BR). But the Ipod had 5 times the capacity, not just 50% more. It also had brand recognition. Much higher end and just about anything else out there. Sony and Toshiba are about equal.

You still have a very good point though, and you may be right. I just don't see the cool factor of Sony BR.... Now PS3 has that cool factor hence the 2 million units sold. See the difference?

2 million wow, what cave have you been hiding? It's 5.46 million right now.

Originally Posted by sparksj

Actually, ever since my friend and I drove up and down my block hacking in to peoples wrieless networks, I have not trusted wireless. When we built our house, I wired it.

Not sure how that made your argument stronger, but I'll admit I don't know how confortable the average person is with hooking up to a router.

Because someone leaves their network unsecured and you are able to get into by just hitting the connect button, does not mean you hack it or cracked it.


On a side note, you have taken some attack very well and i would like to take back some of my coments, i will delete them from the previous post.

[Layd Dly]

Originally Posted by Sling

Dont forget about the red ring of death and great noise.

Thats true, nothing like rushing a system but thats MS for you, but it actually worked in there favor for once. Mine doesnt make much noise or have any RROD in the 2 years ive owned mine. Ive been lucky.

[sparksj]

GO READ THE REVIEWS ALL OVER THE INTERNET.

You might want to try something other than a Blu Ray fan site when you read your reviews, their more honest that way.

THAT'S FUNNY, all the reviews say other wise, Blu ray PQ and AQ has been superior to HDDVD by all review sites, except maybe those bleading red(MS). Is call google.

I have looked at many reviews and have not seen this??? Other than by Fanboys who have only heard Blu Ray.

2 million wow, what cave have you been hiding? It's 5.46 million right now.
I meant only in the US.


Because someone leaves their network unsecured and you are able to get into by just hitting the connect button, does not mean you hack it or cracked it.

Some were secure, but not very


On a side note, you have taken some attack very well and i would like to take back some of my coments, i will delete them from the previous post.[/QUOTE]

It's easy to take attack well, when you know your right...

In reality, I'm not out to try to be right or wrong. As an anaylst I can see the pros and cons of each system. I get annoyed by those (Xbox rules & PS3 rules) people that can't see past their own enthusiasm for a given format. Like it or not, HD DVD has some pretty good points, which is why is still hanging on by the skin of its teeth. Think about the fact that a format has 1/7 the number of players out there, yet is only trailing in disc sales by 1/2. No matter how you slice it, it's impressive. And, it shows that they are doing something right. (and this was before the Paramount deal, so don't jump on that band wagon). And no matter how you much you want to believe that all the specs are such a huge deal, they are not. My HD DVD player still looks way better than DVDs. Even if it did look slightly worse than BR (which it doesn't) people still don't care enough to spend $400 for 1080p vs. 98$ or $199 for 1080i, which if you read my previous link, is not any different if you have an LCD TV because it converts it back to 1080p anyway.

[sparksj]

As I stated earlier, I have an Xbox and it's true that the Xbox is loud... But at least when I play Ace Combat I feel like I'm in a real plane.

Seriously though, one advantage to the Xbox is that most developers who create games in both formats develope for the Xbox first and then convert over to PS3. This means, for now anyway, the games look and act better on the Xbox. However, they may make up for it with games like Heavenly Sword and the other 4 PS3 exclusive games . But, I have seen many side by side comparisons and the Xbox has better color and frame rates. That makes the noise a bit more barable.

[sparksj]

It's great to have enthusiasm for the system you bought in to. I'm sure you did a lot of research and found the system that was right for you, but all of you need to quit acting so superior, as if you’re so smart and all the HD DVD people are so dumb for choosing that format. It's coffee vs. Tea people. It's just video entertainment. It's not like we're arguing over which artificial heart is better.

No matter which format wins, you will all get great HD video with great sound (For those of you that need it so bad, once the 51GB HD DVD discs come out, they will have lossless too).

If BR wins, I realize their will be some satisfaction that you will all feel for being right, and that's part of the fun. That's why we cheer for football teams of which we have no affiliation with. We like to be on the winning team. Just remember, as long as one of them wins, we all win. Then we can get back to watching any movie we want in HD. And, when this is all over, we can finally get back to arguing about whether Xbox 360 of PS3 is better

[Papi4baby]

Originally Posted by sparksj

You might want to try something other than a Blu Ray fan site when you read your reviews, their more honest that way.

It's easy to take attack well, when you know your right...

LOL your kidding right!

And about the reviews the same can be said for you. Well im done in this thread since you obviously wont back down, well you win enjoy HDDVD and when you have to purchase a Blu ray player because HDDVD died no one will care so keep it to yourself since you are right

[Papi4baby]

Originally Posted by buckshot

not quite a wall, but i did find a picture of him





although i must applaud him, i have never seen anyone with a 37 posts a day average. wow. thats quite an attach rate

You weren't kidding.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by sparksj

It's great to have enthusiasm for the system you bought in to. I'm sure you did a lot of research and found the system that was right for you, but all of you need to quit acting so superior, as if you’re so smart and all the HD DVD people are so dumb for choosing that format. It's coffee vs. Tea people. It's just video entertainment. It's not like we're arguing over which artificial heart is better.

Actually I researched both formats pretty heavily before I invested in the PS3, and I don't need to ACT like BLu-ray is superior, it IS superior.

No matter which format wins, you will all get great HD video with great sound (For those of you that need it so bad, once the 51GB HD DVD discs come out, they will have lossless too).

Ummm, yeah, when are these coming out again???

If BR wins, I realize their will be some satisfaction that you will all feel for being right, and that's part of the fun. That's why we cheer for football teams of which we have no affiliation with. We like to be on the winning team. Just remember, as long as one of them wins, we all win. Then we can get back to watching any movie we want in HD. And, when this is all over, we can finally get back to arguing about whether Xbox 360 of PS3 is better

Oh, why no response to these questions, hmmm?

Originally Posted by sparksj
Not sure I agree with you on the Ipod issue, yes it was about $30 more than other players, but they didn't have the cool one-touch wheel (safer while driving). Also most of them had 6 or 8 GB capacity when I was looking. The Ipod had 30GB and a bigger screen. (I guess now you'll touch on the greater capacity of the BR). But the Ipod had 5 times the capacity, not just 50% more. It also had brand recognition. Much higher end and just about anything else out there. Sony and Toshiba are about equal.

You still have a very good point though, and you may be right. I just don't see the cool factor of Sony BR.... Now PS3 has that cool factor hence the 2 million units sold. See the difference?

sj001
Sony and Toshiba have brand recognition, Toshiba gets an "F" from the Better Business Bureau, this is something most J6Ps DO know about.

Originally Posted by sparksj
It made a big impact. Half of all HD DVD players out there are the xbox addon???

sj001
Really? All I hear are complaints about it's quality... and, 1/2 of all HD-DVD players are the add-on? Please provide a link. I thought the standalones were the strength of HD-DVD.

Also, can I get recordable HD-DVDs, or an HD-DVD camcorder? I can't last I checked.

Fact of the matter is that Toshiba has cut their own feet off with these price drops, they will NOT being able to compete by themselves against EVERY OTHER CE MANUFACTURER out there. Sorry. Even Onkyo was supposed to release a high-end HD-DVD player, but I have heard nothing of it in months.

Originally Posted by sparksj
Actually, even since my friend and I drove up and down my block hacking in to peoples wrieless networks, I have not trusted wireless. When we built our house, I wired it.

Not sure how that made your argument stronger, but I'll admit I don't know how confortable the average person is with hooking up to a router.

sj001
Any luck hacking a WPS2 encrypted wireless network?



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Originally Posted by sj001
This is commonly used rhetoric that Ken Graffeo of Universal Studios, the co-chairman of the HD-DVD PG has said, "we aren't worried about the PS3, because gamers don't buy movies". Also, HD-DVD PG's insistence in NOT counting PS3's towards total sales of players.

sparksj

Well, Ken is stupid...
Hey man, he's YOUR GROUP's co-CHAIRMAN...

Every PS3 owner I know, bought it for the games and then said... Hey, I might as well get a few movies while I'm at it.

But then that really doesn't help the BR argument. If you count all of the sales, then BR has a 7 to 1 hardware advantage but only a 2 to 1 disc sales advantage. I think most figures I've heard is that only half of the PS3 owners watch movies... Who knows what they really do


Have fun!

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by Papi4baby

It's easy to take attack well, when you know your right...

LOL your kidding right!

And about the reviews the same can be said for you. Well im done in this thread since you obviously wont back down, well you win enjoy HDDVD and when you have to purchase a Blu ray player because HDDVD died no one will care so keep it to yourself since you are right

If BR Wins, I will be extatic... Because that will mean that there is now only one format and the ware will be over. Who could ask for more. Also, by then the BR players will all be version 2.0 so I will not have to give up the functions I'm used to on my HD DVD player. And since the price will have dropped to $200, I'll be even happier.

BUT, if HD DVD wins, what will happen to BR? Will developers still continue to make games for the PS3 since it would be the only thing that still uses BR discs??? Who knows.....

My predicition is that BR currently has a 85% chance of winning. We'll wait and see. I got the HD DVD mainly to quench my HD thirst until BR was more stable and settled. I only own 5 movies, so I don't have that much to lose. They way I see it, I bought 3 DVD players within 2 years of them coming out (paying about $180 for two of them), so I don't mind having to buy a new HD player in the next year or so.

You have to admit there is one great thing about the HD war. If it was Just HD DVD or Just Sony, prices would still be around $500 per player.... Oh wait, they still are for BR... DOH!


"Always look at the bright side of life... do do.. do do.. do do do do do do"
"Monty Python"

[sj001]

Originally Posted by sparksj

If BR Wins, I will be extatic... Because that will mean that there is now only one format and the ware will be over. Who could ask for more. Also, by then the BR players will all be version 2.0 so I will not have to give up the functions I'm used to on my HD DVD player. And since the price will have dropped to $200, I'll be even happier.

BUT, if HD DVD wins, what will happen to BR? Will developers still continue to make games for the PS3 since it would be the only thing that still uses BR discs??? Who knows.....

My predicition is that BR currently has a 85% chance of winning. We'll wait and see. I got the HD DVD mainly to quench my HD thirst until BR was more stable and settled. I only own 5 movies, so I don't have that much to lose. They way I see it, I bought 3 DVD players within 2 years of them coming out (paying about $180 for two of them), so I don't mind having to buy a new HD player in the next year or so.

You have to admit there is one great thing about the HD war. If it was Just HD DVD or Just Sony, prices would still be around $500 per player.... Oh wait, they still are for BR... DOH!


"Always look at the bright side of life... do do.. do do.. do do do do do do"
"Monty Python"

That is the bright thing, prices drop, but also tons and tons of people sit on the fence waiting for the viable format, and if too much time passes, we have a niche market, lovely.

[sparksj]

When it come to spending over $200 on something, I think a lot of people wait for an event like Christmas to do it. This holiday season will be huge in determining how long the "war" goes on. If HD DVD sells more units, the war will drag on longer. If BR makes a good showing it could be over sooner. My predicition is that by middle of 08, BR prices will drop again to Sub $200 levels and then it will be over for HD DVD. It's a timed race. BR has to make a showing sooner than later.

My personal experience is that the average person will not buy the PS3 as a BR only player. I think that's one mistake Sony is making. A game system as a player just doesn't have mass market appeal. Sure it may sell a 100,000 or so, but the SA players is where they need to make the sale.

Come on Sony... Make the right choice for everyone now. Don't blow it by waiting too long.

[buckshot]

Originally Posted by Papi4baby

You weren't kidding.

I know, everytime I read a post from sparksj I start to hear jethro tull ''you're as thick as a brick''

2 things sparksj. 1 hd dvd doesn't have lossless on many titles for 2 reasons. the space it takes and the bitrates it steals from video quality. i'm not quite sure but doesn't the 51gb still have the starved bitrates?

second, the j doesn't stand for jessica does it? knew a girl named jessica sparks, she was pretty cool, hope you're not her. but you're writing style is very similar.

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by buckshot

I know, everytime I read a post from sparksj I start to hear jethro tull ''you're as thick as a brick''

2 things sparksj. 1 hd dvd doesn't have lossless on many titles for 2 reasons. the space it takes and the bitrates it steals from video quality. i'm not quite sure but doesn't the 51gb still have the starved bitrates?

second, the j doesn't stand for jessica does it? knew a girl named jessica sparks, she was pretty cool, hope you're not her. but you're writing style is very similar.

As far as the "brick" thing goes, we have enough bricks in here to build the great wall..

I'm not Jessica, but she might be a relative for all I know.