I'm looking for suggestions on New Speakers

[sarge1976]

Hi everyone, I currently have Klipsch F-3's for my fronts and I am really unhappy with them. They are loud but I am not getting any bass output from the double 8" woofers that the F-3s have. I have a Pioneer Elite SC-27 AVR and a Emotiva XPA-3 amp hooked up to them. I have tried adjusting the settings on the AVR to make them output bass but no such luck. My budget would be around $1500 and I can probably purchase new speakers in March. I was looking at Klipsch RF-83s but they are around $2K for a pair on ebay, but I am sort of timid on blowing $2K on speakers and running into the same problem I have with the F-3s. Thanks for your help

[callas01]

Well I would tell you to audition several speakers.

If you like the Bright sound of klipsch, then you could look at the Kef's. I prefer their brightness over the Klipsch.

If you like a forward sounding speaker but not as bright then look into these
.
Monitor Audio RX6
Paradigm Monitor 7's or 9's
B&W 684's or 683's

If you want to look into some other sounds that are awesome and have good bass and detail and an open mid-range, and more of a laidback warm sound

Dali Concept 8's
PSB Image T6
Energy RC-50's

[DangeRuss]

Depending on what freq. you have your mains crossovered at with your reciever (due to having a sub in the system). It could be the cause of lack of bass in your mains....... Also you should look at the placement within the room. I can't see how towers with twin 8' woofers don't give enough bass for your needs ( but you have subwoofers for that right?) Anyhow.....Check out JBL , Cerwin/Vega or BIC within that budget if you're looking for slam for the Dollar.......What types of music do you listen to?

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

They are loud but I am not getting any bass output from the double 8" woofers that the F-3s have.

Are you asking because of 2-way audio listening or is this about movies audio?

If it's movies, why are you concerned with bass coming from the towers when you have a subwoofer? It depend on your crossovers settings with the amount of bass coming from the towers, but again with your subwoofer, you would want the towers to woofers to be your mid-range and the subwoofer to be the bass.

I'm not sure about your receiver, but with the Onkyo I had there was a LFE db level and another section that controlled the treble and bass level.

If I were you, I think I would get a second subwoofer first. Check out a few thread about having two subs and see if that sounds like what you are really missing.

[ryan4blu]

PSB

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by HAMP

Are you asking because of 2-way audio listening or is this about movies audio?
If it's movies, why are you concerned with bass coming from the towers when you have a subwoofer? It depend on your crossovers settings with the amount of bass coming from the towers, but again with your subwoofer, you would want the towers to woofers to be your mid-range and the subwoofer to be the bass.

I'm not sure about your receiver, but with the Onkyo I had there was a LFE db level and another section that controlled the treble and bass level.

If I were you, I think I would get a second subwoofer first. Check out a few thread about having two subs and see if that sounds like what you are really missing.

Very important distinction to make! And the answer is......?????

John

[sarge1976]

Thanks for all the suggestions I listen to NIN,Marilyn Manson,Tool, new and old rock with a litttle old school rap. I use my HT to listen to music as well as watch BDs. I put can put my ear and hand up against the F-3's woofers and there is very little to no bass coming from them. I originally had an Onkyo 805 hooked up to these speakers and experienced the same problem,I figured a new AVR and amp would solve this problem but it didn't. It's kind of hard for me to audition "Good" speakers since the only A/V store in my area is Best Buy(which is where I got the F-3's from).

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

Thanks for all the suggestions I listen to NIN,Marilyn Manson,Tool, new and old rock with a litttle old school rap. I use my HT to listen to music as well as watch BDs. I put can put my ear and hand up against the F-3's woofers and there is very little to no bass coming from them. I originally had an Onkyo 805 hooked up to these speakers and experienced the same problem,I figured a new AVR and amp would solve this problem but it didn't. It's kind of hard for me to audition "Good" speakers since the only A/V store in my area is Best Buy(which is where I got the F-3's from).

If you're listening to music in your HT setup and that music is 2-channel, then you need to make sure your front speakers are set to Large. Are you matrixing?

John

[HAMP]

I don't think there is anything wrong with your F3's, but it's got to be a mom and pop store somewhere in your area.

What is your zip code?

You may have to travel a few miles, but they are out there.

[sarge1976]

Originally Posted by callas01

Well I would tell you to audition several speakers.

If you like the Bright sound of klipsch, then you could look at the Kef's. I prefer their brightness over the Klipsch.

If you like a forward sounding speaker but not as bright then look into these
.
Monitor Audio RX6
Paradigm Monitor 7's or 9's
B&W 684's or 683's

If you want to look into some other sounds that are awesome and have good bass and detail and an open mid-range, and more of a laidback warm sound

Dali Concept 8's
PSB Image T6
Energy RC-50's

Thanks for the links, I'm not quite sure what the difference is between "Warm" and "Bright" sounding speakers mean. I had a pair of Cerwin vega 12" 3-way speakers(LS-12) before the F-3s, the CVs had plenty of bass from the 12" woofers so I don't know if those would be considered "Warm" or not. I noticed alot of the speakers that were in the links you provided have 6'.5" woofers, can these sized woofers still produce half decent bass? The only thing that is going to suck if I get a different brand of fronts is that I'm going to have to get a matching center speaker. My whole 7.1 setup is Klipsch except my sub. Anyways, thanks again

[sarge1976]

Originally Posted by John72953

If you're listening to music in your HT setup and that music is 2-channel, then you need to make sure your front speakers are set to Large. Are you matrixing?

John

I tried listening to music in 2 channel and I don't like the way it sounds so I tend to listen to tunes in "Extended stereo" which is pretty much all channels, it sounds ok I guess.

[sarge1976]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I don't think there is anything wrong with your F3's, but it's got to be a mom and pop store somewhere in your area.

What is your zip code?

You may have to travel a few miles, but they are out there.

19607, maybe these F-3s don't produce alot of bass. my sub does a great job producing the lows but I guess I'm looking for punchier bass from the F-3s.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

I tried listening to music in 2 channel and I don't like the way it sounds so I tend to listen to tunes in "Extended stereo" which is pretty much all channels, it sounds ok I guess.

If the stuff you're listening to is recorded in 2-channel, then you should be listening to it in 2-channel. I don't know why anyone would want to do anything else, but that's me...I'm a 2-channel junkie!

John

[HAMP]

Here is one:

DIGITALFUTURENOW
45 WARWICK ST.
BETHLEHEM, PA
18018
610-866-9961


You have to goto the websites of speakers you have interest in and click on the 'find a dealer' in your area.

You may have to do some driving, but they are out there.

[JENKS]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

Hi everyone, I currently have Klipsch F-3's for my fronts and I am really unhappy with them. They are loud but I am not getting any bass output from the double 8" woofers that the F-3s have. I have a Pioneer Elite SC-27 AVR and a Emotiva XPA-3 amp hooked up to them. I have tried adjusting the settings on the AVR to make them output bass but no such luck. My budget would be around $1500 and I can probably purchase new speakers in March. I was looking at Klipsch RF-83s but they are around $2K for a pair on ebay, but I am sort of timid on blowing $2K on speakers and running into the same problem I have with the F-3s. Thanks for your help

I have definitive technology bp7002's and listen to the same kind of music you do as well as watch lots of blu's, and they shake my couch! They are very clean and play loud. They have built in 12" subs with their own 300 watt amps built into the towers. The gains are only up half way! They list for $1200 each but you could probably score them for close to $2k. That would be my suggestion for your style of use as they have served me well. I did listen to the big klipsch towers before my purchase for comparison but they did not do it for me bass wise and they were too bright for me with the horn set up. I also listened to mirage but did not care for them either. I would definitely suggest taking a drive to somewhere that has multiple brands that way you can listen for yourself. Everyone has their own opinion. Good luck to ya!

[callas01]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

Thanks for the links, I'm not quite sure what the difference is between "Warm" and "Bright" sounding speakers mean. I had a pair of Cerwin vega 12" 3-way speakers(LS-12) before the F-3s, the CVs had plenty of bass from the 12" woofers so I don't know if those would be considered "Warm" or not. I noticed alot of the speakers that were in the links you provided have 6'.5" woofers, can these sized woofers still produce half decent bass? The only thing that is going to suck if I get a different brand of fronts is that I'm going to have to get a matching center speaker. My whole 7.1 setup is Klipsch except my sub. Anyways, thanks again

In my experience with the Dali's, Monitor Audios and B&W's they all have excellent ability to dig pretty deep. The Dali's were the lowest sounding 2-channel speaker I have heard to date. They dug deep on a few tracks that I heard. The Monitor's were right there with them, maybe not quite as deep, but pretty f-ing low.

Bright= Loud, in your face sound, focusing on the highs and less on mid-range and mid-bass. Klipsch & Kef speakers are considered bright.

Warm= Mid-range push or focus, laidback sounding, highs stay accurate but the focus is on the mids and mid-bass.

Forward= (my interpretation) speakers that have a bright side to them, yet still provide very good mid-range detail and mid-bass depth.

Someone else may see it different then me but that is how I look at it.

Cerwin Vega speakers are IMO, not very good, they are boomy and lack detail through the mid-range. Yes they can be loud, but accurate... maybe not so much.

If you are going to be listening to 2-channel music, I suggest only listening to it in 2-channel with either the sub on or off, preferably OFF, not in extended stereo. JMO. AND yes, 6.5" woofers can drive deep bass, probably the best I have hear are the Dali's, which happen to be 8", and the Monitor Audios have 6.5" woofers.

In terms of cost I kept the cost lower because I figured you would need a new center channel also. Most of the speakers would come in at your budget of $1500 with a center channel. Surrounds can be whatever brand you want. The Dali's list at $1300/pr and the B&W 683's are about the same. However my dealers was willing to part with his Dali's for $950 so there is some negotiation you can try. The 683's will probably get no lower then about $1100.

[Pycroft]

Someone above suggested Cerwin Vega...

As a friend of mine discussed audio with me, we agreed...

The only thing Cerwin Vega was good for was for a garage system...

When you want to hear your music while mowing the lawn.

Loud, and nothing else.

[sarge1976]

Originally Posted by HAMP

Here is one:

DIGITALFUTURENOW
45 WARWICK ST.
BETHLEHEM, PA
18018
610-866-9961


You have to goto the websites of speakers you have interest in and click on the 'find a dealer' in your area.

You may have to do some driving, but they are out there.

Thanks, I will have to look into that place. Didn't you used to have Klipsch fronts? How come you got rid of them?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by sarge1976

Thanks, I will have to look into that place. Didn't you used to have Klipsch fronts? How come you got rid of them?

he didn't, it was done for him.

[sarge1976]

Originally Posted by callas01

In my experience with the Dali's, Monitor Audios and B&W's they all have excellent ability to dig pretty deep. The Dali's were the lowest sounding 2-channel speaker I have heard to date. They dug deep on a few tracks that I heard. The Monitor's were right there with them, maybe not quite as deep, but pretty f-ing low.

Bright= Loud, in your face sound, focusing on the highs and less on mid-range and mid-bass. Klipsch & Kef speakers are considered bright.

Warm= Mid-range push or focus, laidback sounding, highs stay accurate but the focus is on the mids and mid-bass.

Forward= (my interpretation) speakers that have a bright side to them, yet still provide very good mid-range detail and mid-bass depth.

Someone else may see it different then me but that is how I look at it.

Cerwin Vega speakers are IMO, not very good, they are boomy and lack detail through the mid-range. Yes they can be loud, but accurate... maybe not so much.

If you are going to be listening to 2-channel music, I suggest only listening to it in 2-channel with either the sub on or off, preferably OFF, not in extended stereo. JMO. AND yes, 6.5" woofers can drive deep bass, probably the best I have hear are the Dali's, which happen to be 8", and the Monitor Audios have 6.5" woofers.

In terms of cost I kept the cost lower because I figured you would need a new center channel also. Most of the speakers would come in at your budget of $1500 with a center channel. Surrounds can be whatever brand you want. The Dali's list at $1300/pr and the B&W 683's are about the same. However my dealers was willing to part with his Dali's for $950 so there is some negotiation you can try. The 683's will probably get no lower then about $1100.

Thanks for the explanation, I was wondering what price range those speakers were going for since there wasn't any prices on the site.