18-150Hz vs. 28-120Hz?

[Tony5272]

I'm interested in buying one of these two subs. Only because of the convenience of picking either on of them up at BestBuy. Plus I have BestBuy gift cards so I don't have to lay out to much cash. If I was to get something else I don't want to pay over $400 that includes everything. I'm open though to better choices.
Either the Klipsch SW-450 10in Subwoofer FR: 28-120Hz 200watts RMS $449 or Definitive Technology ProSub 1000 10in Subwoofer FR: 18-150hHz 300watts RMS $499
Now my question is, can I hear a difference in frequencies levels? Does it matter that the Klipsch only goes down to 28Hz? Are either of these subs worth the purchase? My setup:
It's a finished basement with a large area rug. I put a long curtain to divide the room because it is a big area. So the room dimensions are 12x17. Thats the area I will be watching my movies in. I'm going to use the sub mainly for movies & videogames, some music. I want to feel the bass hit me but I don't need it to bring the house down. Also the only place I really could put the subwoofer is right next to or behind the left front speaker tower against the wall. Want to make a purchase in less then a month.

I also looked at the HSU STF-2 for $349 l Outlaw LFM-1 Compact $399 l ED A2-300 $350 not sure what to do. Any of these other that much better then the Klipsch or Definitive Tech. I really don't feel like waiting for ever for the A2-300 to be shipped.

[Bluoholic]

Please someone answer this man's question, I'm also looking at some subs and can't decide which one to get
My setup is this: Klipsch RB-51's, RC-52, and RS-42's

[kareface]

The range the sub can be deceiving. Are both ranges measured with the same tolerance? (i.e. how many db drop in output before it's regarded outside it's FR) Either way tho, 28hz is on the light end of low range. However I also question the capacity of a 10 inch sub to hit 18hz with any decent SPL. For a room your size, especially considering you're gonna bleed a lot of the bass away on the other 1/2 of your room, I would heavily consider getting at least a 12", or 2x10" & preferably 2x12's down the line.

Given your price range I would highly suggest looking at a 12 from one of the more established sub makers. I like Definitive Technology but in your price range HSU, SVS or ED would be better options.

[Steve]

In the $500 range I would suggest eD or maybe an MFW-15 if they're having a sale.

EDIT: I just checked and they are having a sale, but only on one color.

http://www.av123.com//index.php?page...hk=1&Itemid=37

[progers13]

Originally Posted by sentinel41

The range the sub can be deceiving. Are both ranges measured with the same tolerance? (i.e. how many db drop in output before it's regarded outside it's FR) Either way tho, 28hz is on the light end of low range. However I also question the capacity of a 10 inch sub to hit 18hz with any decent SPL. For a room your size, especially considering you're gonna bleed a lot of the bass away on the other 1/2 of your room, I would heavily consider getting at least a 12", or 2x10" & preferably 2x12's down the line.

Given your price range I would highly suggest looking at a 12 from one of the more established sub makers. I like Definitive Technology but in your price range HSU, SVS or ED would be better options.

Originally Posted by fireman325

In the $500 range I would suggest eD or maybe an MFW-15 if they're having a sale.

EDIT: I just checked and they are having a sale, but only on one color.

http://www.av123.com//index.php?page...hk=1&Itemid=37

Excellent posts and recommendations, and I can highly recommend Elemental Designs for performance. However, the OP has gift cards for Best Buy and doesn't want to lay out much cash.

[Tony5272]

Originally Posted by fireman325

In the $500 range I would suggest eD or maybe an MFW-15 if they're having a sale.

EDIT: I just checked and they are having a sale, but only on one color.

http://www.av123.com//index.php?page...hk=1&Itemid=37

Thanks, I just went to the site but they want $143 extra for shipping which pushes the price back up to $543. Out of my price range.

[Tony5272]

Originally Posted by progers13

Excellent posts and recommendations, and I can highly recommend Elemental Designs for performance. However, the OP has gift cards for Best Buy and doesn't want to lay out much cash.

I can lay out about $400 cash. I don't want to go over that mark. As you can see my options are limited. But anything has to be better then my Sony subwoofer which is almost 10years old 6in woofer. I think 40watts! lol

[picture_shooter]

IMHO people really don't hear 18hz, but feel 18hz (I still LMAO on this issue).

That being said a real comfortable hz / freq range is 28-50hz is where the lighting BOOM is at and where movies / music is put to the big empact BASS to what subs are meant to perform.

[kingofgrills]

I would suggest listening to both, using the same soundtrack. If it were me personally, I'd lean toward the Def Tech sub, if the measurements are accurate.

28 Hz is a good bottom range for music, but many action movie soundtracks contain ranges that extend down toward 20 Hz or below. Heck, my M&K MX-125 Mk II sub is rate down to 20 Hz, not 18 Hz as the Def Tech supposedly is, and that is with two sealed 12" drivers. I have a hard time thinking the Def Tech has much useful output at 20 Hz, let alone at 18 Hz, but the Def Tech probably has more accurate output in that range than the Klipsch.

[progers13]

Originally Posted by Tony5272

I can lay out about $400 cash. I don't want to go over that mark. As you can see my options are limited. But anything has to be better then my Sony subwoofer which is almost 10years old 6in woofer. I think 40watts! lol

In that case, DEFINITELY go with eD A2-300. It's $350 shipped!

Read the reviews that myself and others have posted.

Elemental Designs A2-300 here.

And then save your pennies to add a 2nd down the road (like I did).

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by progers13

In that case, DEFINITELY go with with eD A2-300. It's $350 shipped!

Read the reviews that myself and others have posted.

Elemental Designs A2-300 here.

And then save your pennies to add a 2nd down the road (like I did).

If you have $400 cash, that is probably the best option for you, gift cards or not.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Tony5272

Thanks, I just went to the site but they want $143 extra for shipping which pushes the price back up to $543. Out of my price range.

Sorry about that. If you can't spend a penny over $400 then the eD A2-300 is the way to go.

[Tony5272]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

If you have $400 cash, that is probably the best option for you, gift cards or not.

I'm thinking the A2-300 is too big for the space I have in mind. I know it would stand out too much in the place that its going to be. Do you guys think the HSU STF-2 is a better subwoofer then the Klipsch SW-450? I like the look of the HSU. The HSU STF-2 goes for $386 that includes S/H. It's $100 cheaper then the Klipsch! Which keeps me in my budget. I'm just wondering why the Klipsch is $100 more?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Tony5272

I'm thinking the A2-300 is too big for the space I have in mind. I know it would stand out too much in the place that its going to be. Do you guys think the HSU STF-2 is a better subwoofer then the Klipsch SW-450? I like the look of the HSU. The HSU STF-2 goes for $386 that includes S/H. It's $100 cheaper then the Klipsch! Which keeps me in my budget. I'm just wondering why the Klipsch is $100 more?

I am actually between the Hsu VTF3 and the eD A2-300. I am really leaning towards the Hsu because they are very good with HT and very musical at the same time. In looking at the 2 subs Klipsch and Hsu. The info on the Hsu looks better to me, 25 hz +/-2 db, that is industry leading, and the 800 watts peak output is better then the 28 hz +/-3 db and 450 watts peak.

Hsu in a heartbeat.

[jomari]

because its a branded subwoofer.

id definitely consider Hsu's STF-2, based on previous experiences with them and their products.

as always, take frequency responses with a grain of salt. they can stipulate all they want, but it can be decieving at times. 20hz or lower, you would feel the bass, not necessarily hear it. and considering that if they 'claim' it can handle these lower frequencies, it might be for a trunciated amount of time, and not a constant signal so to speak.

[Hammie]

Originally Posted by Tony5272

I'm thinking the A2-300 is too big for the space I have in mind. I know it would stand out too much in the place that its going to be. Do you guys think the HSU STF-2 is a better subwoofer then the Klipsch SW-450? I like the look of the HSU. The HSU STF-2 goes for $386 that includes S/H. It's $100 cheaper then the Klipsch! Which keeps me in my budget. I'm just wondering why the Klipsch is $100 more?

It's cheaper because HUS is an Internet Direct company. They can sell a better product for less because they do not have the same overhead and B&M store will have.

Get the HSU and be happy.

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by Tony5272

I'm thinking the A2-300 is too big for the space I have in mind. I know it would stand out too much in the place that its going to be. Do you guys think the HSU STF-2 is a better subwoofer then the Klipsch SW-450? I like the look of the HSU. The HSU STF-2 goes for $386 that includes S/H. It's $100 cheaper then the Klipsch! Which keeps me in my budget. I'm just wondering why the Klipsch is $100 more?

+1,000,000 on the stf-2. it's a great sub for music and ht. it will walk all over that klipsch. i miss my old stf-2 from time to time...

[DougMac]

Originally Posted by Tony5272

Do you guys think the HSU STF-2 is a better subwoofer then the Klipsch SW-450?

I have heard neither, but from what I know the Hsu would be a better deal. Hsu subs are very well regarded.

I've got a SVS PB12-NSD, but it's out of your price range. After careful room placement, it's essentially flat from 17 to 80hz, where it's crossed over. While running sweeps and tones, I found sub 28hz frequencies are easily audible. There's plenty of sub 30hz energy in modern DVD's and blu-rays. Anything under 20hz was not audible to me, although it was showing on my SPL meter.

Notice Hsu gives frequency specs within a db spread. This is very important in analyzing performance. +/- 3db in the given frequency range is considered essentially flat. Actual room performance usually nowhere near as flat.

[Tony5272]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

+1,000,000 on the stf-2. it's a great sub for music and ht. it will walk all over that klipsch. i miss my old stf-2 from time to time...

Well thanks for everyones input. It is greatly appreciated. I've decided to buy the HSU. Thanks again

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by Tony5272

Well thanks for everyones input. It is greatly appreciated. I've decided to buy the HSU. Thanks again

excellent choice!