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Blu-ray San · 09-07-2007, 04:56 PM

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jermwhl · 09-07-2007, 05:02 PM

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HD DVD (and Blu-ray) may be the look and sound of perfect, but for most people, DVD is the look and sound of good enough.

Sadly, they are probably right.....for at least a couple of years!

evo_dadi · 09-07-2007, 05:06 PM

wow!!that site made my eyes hurt

Smallville206 · 09-07-2007, 05:07 PM

Well I will agree that it will be a long time before HD discs are accepted by the masses. The thing is that even for the average consumer standard dvd is good enough, even for those who have seen the difference. My brother is one of those people who doesn't feel the extra costs are justified. It's kind of like the people I know that still love their 10+ year old receivers and think the audio quality is more than adequate.

BluBerry · 09-07-2007, 05:07 PM

I think the author of this article is right, but only to a certain extent. He ignores that fact that DVD is in decline, that sales have slipped, that piracy is out-of-control. DVD isn't the reason the public hasn't accepted HD media in huge numbers--it's the fact that a clear winner hasn't been declared in the format war. Once a clear winner emerges, the public will embrace it.

There will always be resistance to new technology. I remember when DVD first came out I heard people saying that VHS was good enough, and that DVD wouldn't be successful. Things change.

Smallville206 · 09-07-2007, 05:25 PM

Good point about dvd sales in decline. While I think HD discs will be accepted at some point in the mass market I do believe sales of disc media will continue to decline as more and more people enjoy downloading. It seems like half my friends are more than happy with crappy quality they get for free than paying even for a cheap dvd.

stockstar1138 · 09-07-2007, 05:27 PM

i think once corporate america starts using hd discs its going to take off. think if all the blu-ray supporting companies took all the dvd roms out of nearly ever computer in their offices and replaced it with blu-ray, they will sell millions which will lower costs and then it can really start hitting main stream america and by then main stream america will have hdtvs. until their are more hdtvs than sdtvs in peoples living rooms bd will take a while to catch on. dvd was an easy upgrade cause it didn't require a new tv, this does.

tron3 · 09-07-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The tool who wrote this article

...As much as HD DVD and Blu-ray go back and forth, the biggest threat to both high-def formats is standard DVD, where you can get any movie you want, at a cheap price, that plays on a cheap player. HD DVD (and Blu-ray) may be the look and sound of perfect, but for most people, DVD is the look and sound of good enough.

ANYONE who sees blu-ray compared to DVD IMMEDIATELY desires it. Even if they have no ability nor intention to buy it - they want it. It's not that DVD "is close enough for government work", it's that the have settled on the lesser format. This guy is a thinly vieled supporter of HD-FUD.

HD-DVD fans, behold your fate.
"Gimbles is gone, Marge. Long gone. You're Gimbles." - Mrs. Glick / The Simpsons

Cyan · 09-07-2007, 05:42 PM

People will buy HD because, at some point, the studios will force them to, by not releasing DVDs, or at least not at an effective price point. Everyone thinks that the consumer has so much power over everything, but that is a myth. People want to buy movies for their home collections. If their choices are A)buy a new movie player to be able to buy new releases or B)stop buying new releases, people will upgrade. All of these arguments were made when DVD first came out(and BR players have seen a quicker price decrease, by a fair margin, than DVD did initially). Hell, I remember buying Gladiator on DVD for like 30 bucks. If it were on BR now, it wouldn't even cost that.

People won't be really quick to upgrade movies that they already have, I don't think, but that part comes with time. As soon as the format war is over, the studios as a conglomerate(so to speak) will make their move. As much as I hate not being able to buy certain movies on BD, the current time period is greatly beneficial to BR fans(not really to HDDVD fans, which rarely see sales, and when they do it is only on Amazon), because we get cheap movies. You're not going to see $12.50/$13.50 BR discs once this is all settled, even if it is movies like Big Fish and House of Flying Daggers or w/e. Buy as many movies as you can now, while they're cheap.

spam.curitiba · 09-07-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyan

People will buy HD because, at some point, the studios will force them to, by not releasing DVDs, or at least not at an effective price point. Everyone thinks that the consumer has so much power over everything, but that is a myth. People want to buy movies for their home collections. If their choices are A)buy a new movie player to be able to buy new releases or B)stop buying new releases, people will upgrade. All of these arguments were made when DVD first came out(and BR players have seen a quicker price decrease, by a fair margin, than DVD did initially). Hell, I remember buying Gladiator on DVD for like 30 bucks. If it were on BR now, it wouldn't even cost that.

People won't be really quick to upgrade movies that they already have, I don't think, but that part comes with time. As soon as the format war is over, the studios as a conglomerate(so to speak) will make their move. As much as I hate not being able to buy certain movies on BD, the current time period is greatly beneficial to BR fans(not really to HDDVD fans, which rarely see sales, and when they do it is only on Amazon), because we get cheap movies. You're not going to see $12.50/$13.50 BR discs once this is all settled, even if it is movies like Big Fish and House of Flying Daggers or w/e. Buy as many movies as you can now, while they're cheap.

QFT

Escalus · 09-07-2007, 05:47 PM

On an older non HD TV normal DvD's look fine, but on a HD TV normal DvD's looks crappy!

Smallville206 · 09-07-2007, 05:55 PM

I know I am in the minority here with all this talk of "crappy" dvds, but even as someone who just picked up 2 more Blu ray movies yesterday bringing my total to 73, I still have no problems watching my dvds. Would I prefer having everything I own on Blu ray, sure I would, the proof of that is some of the dvds I have already replaced. I just get all worked up as most I guess.

BluOgre · 09-07-2007, 05:59 PM

I don't like the word "threat"...it's more like the biggest obstacle/hurrdle for BluRay to overcome is getting DVD customers to make the jump to highdef.

That won't be easy. It's true most people are not going to see a difference in sound and picture quality. Mainly because most won't have the most up to date sound system as well as highdef TV's have yet to penetrate enough to make most people think about it.

That's why I think the best thing BluRay has going for it is PS3. PS3 FORCES you to by a highdef player with the gaming machine. Now that is a double edged sword as they say.....if PS3 fails (so far it's been less than stellar mainly due to very few game software) so does BluRay (at least that is the popular opinion).

I believe that is why MS has been so aggressive trying to steal all of PS3's exclusive titles it once enjoyed on PS2. IT's going to get very intresting early next year because if the PS3 drops another $100 and all the AAA software that has been targeted to be released 1st qtr does infact come out, you could see an explosion of sales for BluRay movie software. On the same token PS3 could fail to move any consoles like it has this year and with Paramount exclusive to HD.....the war will linger on.

JTK · 09-07-2007, 06:00 PM

The biggest threat to BD is ignorance and people believing FUD and lies.

tron3 · 09-07-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

The biggest threat to BD is ignorance and people believing FUD and lies.

What is FUD? I keep seeing that thrown around.

caliminius · 09-07-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BluBerry

I think the author of this article is right, but only to a certain extent. He ignores that fact that DVD is in decline, that sales have slipped, that piracy is out-of-control.

I honestly don't think DVD (or CD) sales are truly in decline. I think what is happening is basically a natural leveling off. When DVD was first introduced, only certain movies were on the format. Slowly, more things were added and sales picked up as the available titles increased. Now, pretty much every movie (or the vast majority that people are interested in buying) are on DVD and the movies people wanted, they've bought. So sales have dropped off because people have the movies they want in their collections and the only new things to buy are new releases.

Look at this way. Somewhere on this forum is a thread about titles people want released on Blu-Ray. I'm guessing about 90% or more are big name movies that most people have heard of. If I went to a DVD forum and found that same type of thread, I'm guessing at this point that 90% of the movies listed would be movies I had never heard of. DVD sales have slowed because there isn't the same sort of pent up energy for titles. Just like it is now with Blu-Ray releases, there was once a time when a movie hit the theaters and people wondered if it would be released on DVD; those days are over for DVD.

KingDeezie · 09-07-2007, 06:47 PM

I can't go back to DVD....

The loseless audio is too much for me to ever give up....

If anything I hope Bluray sticks around to atleast be a strong niche market for those of us who desire quality.

There just has to be enough of us around still buying these things for it to be profitable for the studios...

jermwhl · 09-07-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tron3

What is FUD? I keep seeing that thrown around.

Fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Maxell · 09-07-2007, 06:52 PM

It will be a few year before blu-ray even levels with dvd (hddud will be dead by then). By 2010 there will be millions more households with hdtv sets, there will be no more NTSC air signal after Feb 09, and blu-ray players could possibly be under $100 by then.

DVD's really took off when the players dropped below $100, and more when they got to under $50.

I'm still fine with DVD as long as they are of highest dvd quality and they are not available on blu-ray.

tron3 · 09-07-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxell

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I'm still fine with DVD as long as they are of highest dvd quality and they are not available on blu-ray.

It would have to be a pretty unique offering for me to consider DVD. Though I will have to to finish my Shrek collection.

09-07-2007, 04:56 PM	#1
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09-07-2007, 05:07 PM	#5
BluBerry Active Member Member since:Jun 2007	I think the author of this article is right, but only to a certain extent. He ignores that fact that DVD is in decline, that sales have slipped, that piracy is out-of-control. DVD isn't the reason the public hasn't accepted HD media in huge numbers--it's the fact that a clear winner hasn't been declared in the format war. Once a clear winner emerges, the public will embrace it. There will always be resistance to new technology. I remember when DVD first came out I heard people saying that VHS was good enough, and that DVD wouldn't be successful. Things change. Last edited by BluBerry; 09-07-2007 at 05:12 PM.

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09-07-2007, 05:06 PM	#3
evo_dadi Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:watsonville,cali Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:142 Trading Score:50	wow!!that site made my eyes hurt

09-07-2007, 05:07 PM	#4
Smallville206 Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Seattle, Washington	Well I will agree that it will be a long time before HD discs are accepted by the masses. The thing is that even for the average consumer standard dvd is good enough, even for those who have seen the difference. My brother is one of those people who doesn't feel the extra costs are justified. It's kind of like the people I know that still love their 10+ year old receivers and think the audio quality is more than adequate.

09-07-2007, 05:25 PM	#6
Smallville206 Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Seattle, Washington	Good point about dvd sales in decline. While I think HD discs will be accepted at some point in the mass market I do believe sales of disc media will continue to decline as more and more people enjoy downloading. It seems like half my friends are more than happy with crappy quality they get for free than paying even for a cheap dvd.

09-07-2007, 05:27 PM	#7
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	i think once corporate america starts using hd discs its going to take off. think if all the blu-ray supporting companies took all the dvd roms out of nearly ever computer in their offices and replaced it with blu-ray, they will sell millions which will lower costs and then it can really start hitting main stream america and by then main stream america will have hdtvs. until their are more hdtvs than sdtvs in peoples living rooms bd will take a while to catch on. dvd was an easy upgrade cause it didn't require a new tv, this does.

09-07-2007, 05:42 PM	#9
Cyan Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	People will buy HD because, at some point, the studios will force them to, by not releasing DVDs, or at least not at an effective price point. Everyone thinks that the consumer has so much power over everything, but that is a myth. People want to buy movies for their home collections. If their choices are A)buy a new movie player to be able to buy new releases or B)stop buying new releases, people will upgrade. All of these arguments were made when DVD first came out(and BR players have seen a quicker price decrease, by a fair margin, than DVD did initially). Hell, I remember buying Gladiator on DVD for like 30 bucks. If it were on BR now, it wouldn't even cost that. People won't be really quick to upgrade movies that they already have, I don't think, but that part comes with time. As soon as the format war is over, the studios as a conglomerate(so to speak) will make their move. As much as I hate not being able to buy certain movies on BD, the current time period is greatly beneficial to BR fans(not really to HDDVD fans, which rarely see sales, and when they do it is only on Amazon), because we get cheap movies. You're not going to see $12.50/$13.50 BR discs once this is all settled, even if it is movies like Big Fish and House of Flying Daggers or w/e. Buy as many movies as you can now, while they're cheap.

09-07-2007, 05:47 PM	#11
Escalus Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:33	On an older non HD TV normal DvD's look fine, but on a HD TV normal DvD's looks crappy!

09-07-2007, 05:55 PM	#12
Smallville206 Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Seattle, Washington	I know I am in the minority here with all this talk of "crappy" dvds, but even as someone who just picked up 2 more Blu ray movies yesterday bringing my total to 73, I still have no problems watching my dvds. Would I prefer having everything I own on Blu ray, sure I would, the proof of that is some of the dvds I have already replaced. I just get all worked up as most I guess.

09-07-2007, 05:59 PM	#13
BluOgre Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007	I don't like the word "threat"...it's more like the biggest obstacle/hurrdle for BluRay to overcome is getting DVD customers to make the jump to highdef. That won't be easy. It's true most people are not going to see a difference in sound and picture quality. Mainly because most won't have the most up to date sound system as well as highdef TV's have yet to penetrate enough to make most people think about it. That's why I think the best thing BluRay has going for it is PS3. PS3 FORCES you to by a highdef player with the gaming machine. Now that is a double edged sword as they say.....if PS3 fails (so far it's been less than stellar mainly due to very few game software) so does BluRay (at least that is the popular opinion). I believe that is why MS has been so aggressive trying to steal all of PS3's exclusive titles it once enjoyed on PS2. IT's going to get very intresting early next year because if the PS3 drops another $100 and all the AAA software that has been targeted to be released 1st qtr does infact come out, you could see an explosion of sales for BluRay movie software. On the same token PS3 could fail to move any consoles like it has this year and with Paramount exclusive to HD.....the war will linger on.

09-07-2007, 06:00 PM	#14
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	The biggest threat to BD is ignorance and people believing FUD and lies.

09-07-2007, 06:47 PM	#17
KingDeezie Active Member Member since:Mar 2007	I can't go back to DVD.... The loseless audio is too much for me to ever give up.... If anything I hope Bluray sticks around to atleast be a strong niche market for those of us who desire quality. There just has to be enough of us around still buying these things for it to be profitable for the studios...

09-07-2007, 06:52 PM	#19
Maxell Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007	It will be a few year before blu-ray even levels with dvd (hddud will be dead by then). By 2010 there will be millions more households with hdtv sets, there will be no more NTSC air signal after Feb 09, and blu-ray players could possibly be under $100 by then. DVD's really took off when the players dropped below $100, and more when they got to under $50. I'm still fine with DVD as long as they are of highest dvd quality and they are not available on blu-ray.

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