Just a Thought

[jedisinclair]

I was reading a few articles pertaining to the idea that both formats can co-exist. While it's not impossible, I think we all agree Blu-ray is a much better format and should be the ONLY successor to DVD. I think the key is content. What if Sony, Disney, and Fox released a bombardment of titles... like all of a sudden there are a crapload of Blu-rays available. I think a move like that could help expedite the end of this war. How about it studios? (in hopes that they browse these threads)...

[Damiesmallz]

I would rather they take their time and make the titles right, than just trying to flood the market.

[glenn22]

I have to agree with Damiesmallz on this one. I'd much rather have quality releases with excellent PQ and AQ than a huge amount of poor releases like we saw at the start. (Fifth Element original release for instance)

[aygie]

Originally Posted by glenn22

I have to agree with Damiesmallz on this one. I'd much rather have quality releases with excellent PQ and AQ than a huge amount of poor releases like we saw at the start. (Fifth Element original release for instance)

I Agree, quality not quantity.

[IamNhobdy]

Quality, not quantity

and

Form follows function


These are some of my basic rules as well.

[aygie]

Originally Posted by IamNhobdy

Quality, not quantity

and

Form follows function


These are some of my basic rules as well.

hehe you lost me bro

[tron3]

Originally Posted by IamNhobdy

Quality, not quantity

and

Form follows function


These are some of my basic rules as well.

I don't think he meant flooding with crap. Suppose they flooded us with everything we wanted in the PQ and AQ we desire. It certainly makes blu-ray look like the only viable choice, but they can't sell it all this year and have no leg to stand on next year. I think this is why we won't see popular CGI movies like The Incredibles until next year. Even the biggest waves eventually crash onto the shoreline and weaken.

They have upped the anty since the Paramount defection, that is good enough for now.

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by tron3

I don't think he meant flooding with crap. Suppose they flooded us with everything we wanted in the PQ and AQ we desire. It certainly makes blu-ray look like the only viable choice, but they can't sell it all this year and have no leg to stand on next year. I think this is why we won't see popular CGI movies like The Incredibles until next year. Even the biggest waves eventually crash onto the shoreline and weaken.

They have upped the anty since the Paramount defection, that is good enough for now.

I'm sure he didn't mean flooding with crap, however, any FLOOD of new releases would be a flood of crap. Why? because it takes a lot of time and effort to make a good encode and gather together all the features for a new release. Just ask Paidgeek (insider's thread) who works for Sony making new Blu releases.

[SS316SRV]

Number of movies available, sales gaps, new releases, none of those will determine which format survives. Here is why, because Universal is still selling HD DVD's and Paramount is still selling HD DVDs. The only thing that will make a difference is IF the next gen formats become more popular. More households need to own them. And newer movies that require more bandwidth, not gig space, to playback the video and audio quality that home theater owners expect. Then and only then will blu-ray remain as the only viable technology against HD DVD. That will take at least another 18 months to 3 years. This 'format war' will not be over quickly.

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Number of movies available, sales gaps, new releases, none of those will determine which format survives. Here is why, because Universal is still selling HD DVD's and Paramount is still selling HD DVDs. The only thing that will make a difference is IF the next gen formats become more popular. More households need to own them. And newer movies that require more bandwidth, not gig space, to playback the video and audio quality that home theater owners expect. Then and only then will blu-ray remain as the only viable technology against HD DVD. That will take at least another 18 months to 3 years. This 'format war' will not be over quickly.

wouldn't you agree that if the number of movies available for Blu was huge that it would inevitably sell more players and accomplish exactly what you mentioned? I think that's the point the OP was trying to make.

[jw]

I agree, and also studios space out realeases to maximize profitiblity.If they flooded the market the average person would only spend 100-200 on new releases, therefore putting those other releases that they couldnt purchase on the want list, then the next week more releases are released and then there becomes an order of priority in the titles that you want, and alot of titles end up not selling at a fast enough rate and the studios would use that in the next trimester as far as orders and cut back. Wouldnt work....

Slow and steady wins the race, a few a week for me is great, keeps me in the black

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by glenn22

wouldn't you agree that if the number of movies available for Blu was huge that it would inevitably sell more players and accomplish exactly what you mentioned? I think that's the point the OP was trying to make.

I do agree. But the number would have to be something like 50% of Sony's, Disney's, Fox's catalogues. The problem is that there are more people buying SD. Blu ray discs are a small blurb on the radar right now. There needs to be more players in homes. If those three studios utilized all the cheap labor in Mexico, China, Africa, Phillippenes, and where ever else, and got 100% of their catalogues out, they would sit for years, upon years, before they moved in any sort of substantial number. No studio wants to put a product and have it sit. The key here is to get people to stop buying SD discs and start buying next gen. That can only happen with less expensive media, less expensive players, and the overall desire of the public to own this format.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

... That can only happen with less expensive media, less expensive players, and the overall desire of the public to own this format.

That sounds like the recipe for the success of HD-DVD.

Most people are waiting for the same reason I waited until this past August.
A: Prices to come down.
B: Have a clear leader.
But most importantly C: Have ONE unified Hi-def format!

Neither side will have widespread acceptance as long as this war lasts. It will last as long as we have HD-DVD exclusive or neutral support.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by tron3

That sounds like the recipe for the success of HD-DVD.

Most people are waiting for the same reason I waited until this past August.
A: Prices to come down.
B: Have a clear leader.
But most importantly C: Have ONE unified Hi-def format!

Neither side will have widespread acceptance as long as this war lasts. It will last as long as we have HD-DVD exclusive or neutral support.

Oh Tron...if you are meaning to throw my under a bridge, I will warn you because I wont go easy. Prices will naturally come down so cheaper players and media is inevitable for both formats, so there is no HD DVD advantage there. Its the desire to own a next gen format that is tricky. Once there is the desire to make the 1080p step, blu-ray will stand out because all of the favorites (Die Hard, Spiderman, Pirates, Casino Royale, ect.) can't be played on HD DVD. Plus, if I spend $3000+ on my TV and surround sound, I want to get the best possible picture AND sound. HD DVD can't deliver it.

[zombieking]

IMO sadly enough the only way hd-dvd will die is if Paramount and Universal went neutral or exclusive, and for the former that's not going to happen for 18 months. Now if Warner went BD exclusive in the new year it could speed things up a bit, then maybe Uni would follow too.

But if everything stays the way it is currently, BD will be dragging hd's ass through the mud for the next 18 months, and we just have to continue showing our support for the duration.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Oh Tron...if you are meaning to throw me under a bridge, I will warn you because I wont go easy. ....

Easy there, my brother in blu. Just a little out of context humor.

I know prices will come down. I have fooled myself enough times thinking the price will never come down. Look at LCD TV, they keep getting better for less.

That doesn't mean supply and demand isn't in play here. Suppose by Q1 they tally up the blu sales vs HD-DVD. Suppose everyone said, "Well, that tears it. We are blu-ray exclusive!" You think prices will come down as fast? Not when your competitor is just another blu-ray manufacturer.

Just saying, if blu-ray had a sudden win after Christmas, they don't have to lower the price until they made their ROI back. If demand is high enough, not even after ROI is reached. Remember, supply and demand.

[Musashi]

I advocate quality *and* quantity. Blu studios should concentrate efforts on transferring and encoding movies into hi-def and onto Blu-ray, not rushing any particular titles, but putting more teams to the task so more movies come out sooner.

[oscar_in_fw]

We don't need a repeat of the flood of mediocre releases Universal and now, Warner's are putting out. I'd rather they get it right the first time.

[Mr. Joshua]

Originally Posted by glenn22

I have to agree with Damiesmallz on this one. I'd much rather have quality releases with excellent PQ and AQ than a huge amount of poor releases like we saw at the start. (Fifth Element original release for instance)

I agree, quality not quantity... Look at Alexander Revisted for example the picture is stunning but the audio is fair no lossless and there should be. The picture is so good at the beginning of the movie I see Anthony Hopkins wearing sandals as he goes to enter a room and when he walks through the door he is barefoot on the other side... What a mistake in continuity...

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by wsciv123

I agree, quality not quantity... Look at Alexander Revisted for example the picture is stunning but the audio is fair no lossless and there should be. The picture is so good at the beginning of the movie I see Anthony Hopkins wearing sandals as he goes to enter a room and when he walks through the door he is barefoot on the other side... What a mistake in continuity...

Yeah you created a whole thread on this topic...???