Blu-ray through components - Blu-ray Forum

DealsR4theDevil · 11-07-2007, 03:11 PM

My friend has one of those old DLP HDTVs with no HDMI ports, only component. Is there any point to getting a Blu-ray player for his TV?

CptGreedle · 11-07-2007, 03:12 PM

Well you will prolly still get a slightly better image.. but you will also have all the interactivity of the BD, and the sound, and if they want to upgrade their TV in the future, they already have the player for it and hopefully a library by then too.

Dogdvr · 11-07-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

My friend has one of those old DLP HDTVs with no HDMI ports, only component. Is there any point to getting a Blu-ray player for his TV?

It will allow him to get the best viewing experience from his TV, but he will not get the best that blu ray can offer

DealsR4theDevil · 11-07-2007, 03:16 PM

What hes looking for is a significant improvement. A slight improvement would not be worth it for him.

Dogdvr · 11-07-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

What hes looking for is a significant improvement. A slight improvement would not be worth it for him.

I consider it a significant improvement, and so does my wife.
(we have an old set with component inputs)

SuprSlow · 11-07-2007, 03:19 PM

Yes. Component can carry 1080P, whether his TV supports it or not is a different story.

cathexist · 11-07-2007, 03:20 PM

Don't component cables still do 720p and 1080i? even 1080p?

It may not be as impressive as HDMI, but it will definitely be an upgrade from regular DVD quality and an S-Video cable.

MacDaddyOJack · 11-07-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SuprSlow

Yes. Component can carry 1080P, whether his TV supports it or not is a different story.

I was under the impression that component can only carry 1080i, but I'm not sure. What I do know is that my Blu-ray player (samsung BD-P1400) only outputs 1080i over component. Either way, it should be a drastic improvement for your friend! Tell him to go Blu!

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bilbravo · 11-07-2007, 04:00 PM

Wikipedia says component can do 1080p. Take that for what it's worth... (I have no issues believing what is on wikipedia for articles such as this).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compone...omponent_video

HOWEVER, I am under the impression that Blu-Ray players can/do limit component video output to 1080i... I suppose I could do more research and give a better answer, but I'm late.

TauRus · 11-07-2007, 04:25 PM

Component video connection certainly has the bandwidth to carry 1080P signal. Remember, in the days when component switching was a hot feature on receivers, they proudly featured lables confirming they were supporting 1080P switching as well.
Now, whether the 1080P signal is allowed through component interface because of content protection - that's a different question.

rigpig · 11-07-2007, 05:08 PM

.....component video connections have the bandwidth for 1080p but due to the fact that they are 'analog' connections & as such aren't 'encrypted' there are no HD players, including the PS3, that are allowed by 'the powers that be' to transmit 1080p hd video (ie, movies on disc....proprietary games may be a different beast)....max res over component on PS3 is 1080i, period. HDMI, which supports data encryption, allows 1080p signal transmission.

Draagonman · 11-07-2007, 05:16 PM

On the flip side while playing games on the xbox360 it is 1080P but playing hd movies only 1080i and playing regular dvd's no upcoverting only 480p. This all being played thru component. has any experimented with a 25ft or 50 ft HDMI cable with PS3?

tron3 · 11-07-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuprSlow

Yes. Component can carry 1080P, whether his TV supports it or not is a different story.

If his TV supports high def component then he can get 1080i. That's how I do it and I can't really complain. The 1080i picture is still awesome.

Don't bump it up to 1080p. I tried that and it actually lowered the resolution to 480.. <barf>

If he doesn't have HD component input, the only benefit is he stops wasting money on DVD, gets a cleaner transfer, and "future proofs" his collection until he gets a new TV.

cawgijoe · 11-07-2007, 07:29 PM

I have to use Component from my PS3 to my Sony KV-34XBR800 because even though it has a DVI input, the PS3 connected via HDMI to DVI does not show a picture. The TV is HDCP compliant, but it still does not work.

My TV is also a 1080i set.

The picture quality is awesome through the Component connection.

No worries here. Tell him to buy the PS3 and the Sony Component cable and don't look back till it's time for a new TV.

rushmore9 · 11-07-2007, 07:42 PM

While we wait for my dad's hdmi to dvi thingee to arrive in the mail, we've been using component to some impressive results. But there isn't any doubt in my mind that the better connection is hdmi (hopefully there won't be any black-screen issues, since I do believe the tv is compliant).

rushmore9 · 11-07-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cawgijoe

I have to use Component from my PS3 to my Sony KV-34XBR800 because even though it has a DVI input, the PS3 connected via HDMI to DVI does not show a picture. The TV is HDCP compliant, but it still does not work.

My TV is also a 1080i set.

The picture quality is awesome through the Component connection.

No worries here. Tell him to buy the PS3 and the Sony Component cable and don't look back till it's time for a new TV.

I wonder why that is? Have you gotten an answer to this?

Danno · 11-07-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cathexist

Don't component cables still do 720p and 1080i? even 1080p?

It may not be as impressive as HDMI, but it will definitely be an upgrade from regular DVD quality and an S-Video cable.

Actually, many people tend to think analog 1080i component looks as good if not better than HDMI.

rigpig · 11-07-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno

Actually, many people tend to think analog 1080i component looks as good if not better than HDMI.

...it can look excellent, a lot of the 'older' component only HD-RPTVs, the big CRT behemoths can but up a stunning picture with blu over component at 'only' 1080i.
A lot of that has to do with the CRT's pretty much 2nd to none black reproduction.

cawgijoe · 11-08-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rushmore9

I wonder why that is? Have you gotten an answer to this?

No. Sony has no answer either from their gaming (PS3) side or their electronics (TV) side.

I've been through the ringer with both to no avail.

The PS3 automatically detects the HDMI connection on my Vizio 32" bedroom TV, so I know it's not the PS3.

The 34XBR800 also works fine via HDMI to DVI with my Directv HR20 DVR.

I gave up and hopefully in a few years when I end up getting a new TV I won't have to worry about it.

rmarmes · 11-08-2007, 10:26 PM

Stumbled on this post so I thought I'd add my 2 cents: I just built an HTPC with an RX2600XT graphics card, AND it too will not talk via the DVI port to my Sony 34XBR800. And I know the SONY DVI port is OK as it worked fine with my old DTV sat receiver. I think I'm stuck with the S-video input. I too will have to wait for a new tv as well. FWIW.
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11-07-2007, 03:11 PM	#1
DealsR4theDevil Power Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:76	Blu-ray through components My friend has one of those old DLP HDTVs with no HDMI ports, only component. Is there any point to getting a Blu-ray player for his TV?

11-07-2007, 05:08 PM	#11
rigpig Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Alberta Blu-ray reviews:3	.....component video connections have the bandwidth for 1080p but due to the fact that they are 'analog' connections & as such aren't 'encrypted' there are no HD players, including the PS3, that are allowed by 'the powers that be' to transmit 1080p hd video (ie, movies on disc....proprietary games may be a different beast)....max res over component on PS3 is 1080i, period. HDMI, which supports data encryption, allows 1080p signal transmission. Last edited by rigpig; 11-07-2007 at 05:24 PM.

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11-07-2007, 03:12 PM	#2
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Well you will prolly still get a slightly better image.. but you will also have all the interactivity of the BD, and the sound, and if they want to upgrade their TV in the future, they already have the player for it and hopefully a library by then too.

11-07-2007, 03:16 PM	#4
DealsR4theDevil Power Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:76	What hes looking for is a significant improvement. A slight improvement would not be worth it for him.

11-07-2007, 03:19 PM	#6
SuprSlow Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Alabama	Yes. Component can carry 1080P, whether his TV supports it or not is a different story.

11-07-2007, 03:20 PM	#7
cathexist Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Aurora, CO 4K collection:302 Blu-ray collection:1253 DVD collection:73 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:8	Don't component cables still do 720p and 1080i? even 1080p? It may not be as impressive as HDMI, but it will definitely be an upgrade from regular DVD quality and an S-Video cable.

11-07-2007, 04:00 PM	#9
bilbravo Expert Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:MD, USA Blu-ray collection:28	Wikipedia says component can do 1080p. Take that for what it's worth... (I have no issues believing what is on wikipedia for articles such as this). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compone...omponent_video HOWEVER, I am under the impression that Blu-Ray players can/do limit component video output to 1080i... I suppose I could do more research and give a better answer, but I'm late.

11-07-2007, 04:25 PM	#10
TauRus Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Chicago NW burbs	Component video connection certainly has the bandwidth to carry 1080P signal. Remember, in the days when component switching was a hot feature on receivers, they proudly featured lables confirming they were supporting 1080P switching as well. Now, whether the 1080P signal is allowed through component interface because of content protection - that's a different question.

11-07-2007, 05:16 PM	#12
Draagonman Member Member since:Nov 2007	On the flip side while playing games on the xbox360 it is 1080P but playing hd movies only 1080i and playing regular dvd's no upcoverting only 480p. This all being played thru component. has any experimented with a 25ft or 50 ft HDMI cable with PS3?

11-07-2007, 07:29 PM	#14
cawgijoe Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Trading Score:1	I have to use Component from my PS3 to my Sony KV-34XBR800 because even though it has a DVI input, the PS3 connected via HDMI to DVI does not show a picture. The TV is HDCP compliant, but it still does not work. My TV is also a 1080i set. The picture quality is awesome through the Component connection. No worries here. Tell him to buy the PS3 and the Sony Component cable and don't look back till it's time for a new TV.

11-07-2007, 07:42 PM	#15
rushmore9 Member Member since:Sep 2007	While we wait for my dad's hdmi to dvi thingee to arrive in the mail, we've been using component to some impressive results. But there isn't any doubt in my mind that the better connection is hdmi (hopefully there won't be any black-screen issues, since I do believe the tv is compliant).

11-08-2007, 10:26 PM	#20
rmarmes New Member Member since:Nov 2007	Stumbled on this post so I thought I'd add my 2 cents: I just built an HTPC with an RX2600XT graphics card, AND it too will not talk via the DVI port to my Sony 34XBR800. And I know the SONY DVI port is OK as it worked fine with my old DTV sat receiver. I think I'm stuck with the S-video input. I too will have to wait for a new tv as well. FWIW. R

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