Could the BDA pick MS off? - Blu-ray Forum

spicynacho · 01-18-2008, 01:20 PM

Could the BDA offer microsoft a package like this... Drop HD DVD support and support blu ray and the BDA will do the following, encourage VC-1 encodes and provide you with discounted licensing fees so that you can have windows media player playback BR movies. On the HD DVD side have them cut-off the HD DVD AO drive which toshiba has already undercut them on, stop developing HDi, stop supporting encodes for HD DVD studios, and withdraw from the HD DVD PG. If needed, throw in some sony movies for XBL. They have already stopped caring about HD DVD. It shouldn't take much to have them publicly denounce it.

WickyWoo · 01-18-2008, 01:25 PM

Why should they?

Microsoft already took themselves out of the equasion, look at CES

greekjgg · 01-18-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spicynacho

Could the BDA offer microsoft a package like this... Drop HD DVD support and support blu ray and the BDA will do the following, encourage VC-1 encodes and provide you with discounted licensing fees so that you can have windows media player playback BR movies. On the HD DVD side have them cut-off the HD DVD AO drive which toshiba has already undercut them on, stop developing HDi, stop supporting encodes for HD DVD studios, and withdraw from the HD DVD PG. If needed, throw in some sony movies for XBL. They have already stopped caring about HD DVD. It shouldn't take much to have them publicly denounce it.

It's obvious that you haven't read the news. M$ has already backed off their HD Dud stance since their warner announcement.

spicynacho · 01-18-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by greekjgg

It's obvious that you haven't read the news. M$ has already backed off their HD Dud stance since their warner announcement.

They have backed off, but they have not turned their back on HD DVD (at least not publicly).

patrick99 · 01-18-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spicynacho

They have backed off, but they have not turned their back on HD DVD (at least not publicly).

What the BDA needs is to make sure that HD DVD is dead and buried. Paying off Microsoft (at this point) does nothing to achieve that goal. Paying off Paramount, Universal, and/or Toshiba are things that would.

WickyWoo · 01-18-2008, 01:54 PM

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They have backed off, but they have not turned their back on HD DVD (at least not publicly).

And they're not going to either.

sj001 · 01-18-2008, 02:47 PM

MS no longer cares about HD-DVD, they have thrown them to the wolves.

mystiksuicide · 01-18-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spicynacho

Could the BDA offer microsoft a package like this... Drop HD DVD support and support blu ray and the BDA will do the following, encourage VC-1 encodes and provide you with discounted licensing fees so that you can have windows media player playback BR movies. On the HD DVD side have them cut-off the HD DVD AO drive which toshiba has already undercut them on, stop developing HDi, stop supporting encodes for HD DVD studios, and withdraw from the HD DVD PG. If needed, throw in some sony movies for XBL. They have already stopped caring about HD DVD. It shouldn't take much to have them publicly denounce it.

Absolutely not, keep them away as far as possible.

maximiza · 01-18-2008, 03:02 PM

You run the risk of having high failure rates if MS gets involived.

Zaphod · 01-18-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sj001

MS no longer cares about HD-DVD, they have thrown them to the wolves.

Microsoft cares only about themselves and their agenda.

blugasm · 01-18-2008, 03:30 PM

Keep them the hell away from my Blu! That would be the kiss of death.

ESUNintel · 01-18-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by patrick99

What the BDA needs is to make sure that HD DVD is dead and buried. Paying off Microsoft (at this point) does nothing to achieve that goal. Paying off Paramount, Universal, and/or Toshiba are things that would.

I don't think Toshiba should receive a payoff, their probably hurting a fit financially, specially after all that's going on, so sooner or later they'll have no choice but support Blu.

ESUNintel · 01-18-2008, 03:33 PM

The nice thing of having Microsoft on our side would be the ability of Windows Media being able to play BD's, and also the ability of a PC to be able to more with th disc, like making back-ups easier.

maximiza · 01-18-2008, 03:41 PM

A blu back up utility would be awsome

spicynacho · 01-18-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ESUNintel

The nice thing of having Microsoft on our side would be the ability of Windows Media being able to play BD's, and also the ability of a PC to be able to more with th disc, like making back-ups easier.

I think this would be the strategy to go for, not trying to get it into the xbox, that all ready has a red ring of death problem and a red disc of death problem. Get it into windows, make it a vista ultimate exclusive or whatever, be able to use BR burners as backup devices, enable easy playback of BR movies, create data discs through windows explorer. It will be there eventually, just try to expidite the process and cut one of HD DVD's legs out from under them at the same time. It can't be that difficult, surely the price wouldn't be too high to have M$ withdraw from the HD DVD PG and join the BDA. Sony could agree to put whichever sony movies which gross over $XX0 Million on XBL 30 days after the DVD release (just like they do for iTunes).

upnorthsox · 01-18-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ESUNintel

The nice thing of having Microsoft on our side would be the ability of Windows Media being able to play BD's, and also the ability of a PC to be able to more with th disc, like making back-ups easier.

Are you saying that Windows Media Player won't support AVC? Why not? They can ignore it at their peril but there's other media players out there that'll surely grab their market share away from them. Why should Blu get in the way of that?

unreal1080p · 01-18-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Absolutely not, keep them away as far as possible.

+1

patrick99 · 01-18-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ESUNintel

I don't think Toshiba should receive a payoff, their probably hurting a fit financially, specially after all that's going on, so sooner or later they'll have no choice but support Blu.

The question is not whether they deserve it, but whether it would make the clear end come sooner. It would be much better to have a clear end sooner rather than later.

Paden · 01-18-2008, 05:00 PM

You don't have to give M$ anything. They'll get on the bandwagon on their own because it will make monetary sense to do so. I, for one, will welcome their involvement for some of the reasons stated above. But what you don't do is make them any promises at this time because they'll start trying to control the process then. The BDA doesn't need to have M$ in a leadership role. Just having them providing Windows support, etc is enough.

Dragonraine · 01-18-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaphod

Microsoft cares only about themselves and their agenda.

Thats true, other companies dont care about money

01-18-2008, 01:20 PM	#1
spicynacho Active Member Member since:Nov 2007	Could the BDA pick MS off? Could the BDA offer microsoft a package like this... Drop HD DVD support and support blu ray and the BDA will do the following, encourage VC-1 encodes and provide you with discounted licensing fees so that you can have windows media player playback BR movies. On the HD DVD side have them cut-off the HD DVD AO drive which toshiba has already undercut them on, stop developing HDi, stop supporting encodes for HD DVD studios, and withdraw from the HD DVD PG. If needed, throw in some sony movies for XBL. They have already stopped caring about HD DVD. It shouldn't take much to have them publicly denounce it.

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01-18-2008, 01:25 PM	#2
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Why should they? Microsoft already took themselves out of the equasion, look at CES

01-18-2008, 02:47 PM	#7
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	MS no longer cares about HD-DVD, they have thrown them to the wolves.

01-18-2008, 03:02 PM	#9
maximiza Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Queens Village, NYC	You run the risk of having high failure rates if MS gets involived.

01-18-2008, 03:30 PM	#11
blugasm Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Vancouver Island	Keep them the hell away from my Blu! That would be the kiss of death.

01-18-2008, 03:33 PM	#13
ESUNintel Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Colorado	The nice thing of having Microsoft on our side would be the ability of Windows Media being able to play BD's, and also the ability of a PC to be able to more with th disc, like making back-ups easier.

01-18-2008, 03:41 PM	#14
maximiza Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Queens Village, NYC	A blu back up utility would be awsome

01-18-2008, 05:00 PM	#19
Paden Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	You don't have to give M$ anything. They'll get on the bandwagon on their own because it will make monetary sense to do so. I, for one, will welcome their involvement for some of the reasons stated above. But what you don't do is make them any promises at this time because they'll start trying to control the process then. The BDA doesn't need to have M$ in a leadership role. Just having them providing Windows support, etc is enough.

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