Because Backing up is hard to do. - Blu-ray Forum

tron3 · 01-18-2008, 02:02 PM

Excuse the liberty I've taken with the 50's classic, "Because breaking up is hard to do." NO, I am not that old but I know of the song. Geeze.

Who here backs up their data and how? I currently use 4.7GB DVD and don't want to start backing up onto DL DVD because they cost MUCH more. I am considering springing for a 16GB USB drive but I know those things use batteries. I'm afraid when the battery dies, I'll back up as usal and unplug it, just to have the data fade away.

I'm and IT professional and have had my share of tapes and even lost all my data due to it really not backing up. I'm DONE with tape. External HD drives are not an answer to me because they are prone to failure. It has to be a hard removeable media as that is the most reliable means I know.

I may seem to be nit picking, but I AM an IT professional. Not doing my job if I don't note all possible failure points.

aygie · 01-18-2008, 02:07 PM

External drives are not prone to failure but like any electronic device it happens. I've been backing up to the same external drive for 2 years now. Never had a problem. I clone my drive every morning.

tron3 · 01-18-2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aygie

External drives are not prone to failure but like any electronic device it happens. I've been backing up to the same external drive for 2 years now. Never had a problem. I clone my drive every morning.

How can you say they are not prone but it happens in the same breath?

External drives are the same drives we see used internally. They last so much longer because they tend to get used for backup and unplugged to keep the spindle from spinning all the time. In time, they ALL die.

The best way to backup is onto a medium which can be read on most any medium reader of the future. One of the stella problems of old tape drives was once the drive broke, it didn't matter if you had a hundred backups. You most likely could NOT replace the drive nor get it repaired. Trust me, I know what I am saying. I have experience.

york weir · 01-18-2008, 02:18 PM

I have two harddrives in my PC. I have a script that backs up data from one to the other on a nightly basis. Those backups on each drive are then backed up to my 80 gig iPod when it is plugged up. Occasionally I will backup my data to disc but it takes a lot of discs.

In time I will also purchase a large external harddrive so I can back it up to that as well and include a backup of my music and movie/tv show collection.

A month ago I lost my C: drive and was able to restore everything from my D: drive. The only issue I ran in to was my outlook .pst file was corrupt. The reason it was corrupt was because at that time outlook was open when the backup ran. Basically it just copies the .pst file to the other drive. Luckily 4 days prior I backed up to my iPod with outlook closed. Now my script warns the user that outlook will close, then it kills outlook and runs the backup.

Now there are no issues. My risk now is if files go corrupt and get cross copied.

york weir · 01-18-2008, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

How can you say they are not prone but it happens in the same breath?

External drives are the same drives we see used internally. They last so much longer because they tend to get used for backup and unplugged to keep the spindle from spinning all the time. In time, they ALL die.

The best way to backup is onto a medium which can be read on most any medium reader of the future. One of the stella problems of old tape drives was once the drive broke, it didn't matter if you had a hundred backups. You most likely could NOT replace the drive nor get it repaired. Trust me, I know what I am saying. I have experience.

Depends on how old. People still have round reel drives, 3420 drives for mainframe, 4mm, 8mm, dlt, lto. It's all still used in the industry. Of course many of those wouldn't be feasible for at home use.

aygie · 01-18-2008, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

How can you say they are not prone but it happens in the same breath?

External drives are the same drives we see used internally. They last so much longer because they tend to get used for backup and unplugged to keep the spindle from spinning all the time. In time, they ALL die.

The best way to backup is onto a medium which can be read on most any medium reader of the future. One of the stella problems of old tape drives was once the drive broke, it didn't matter if you had a hundred backups. You most likely could NOT replace the drive nor get it repaired. Trust me, I know what I am saying. I have experience.

You misinterpreted what i said, being a piece of electronics obviously a few a bound to be faulty like any other piece of equipment, faulty PS3's, Xbox's etc etc.

I think you've answered your own question, for you it seems that your not happy backing up on anything! You want reliability but don't like the size (discs) you want the size but don't like reliability (External drives), i don't know what to say mate.

aygie · 01-18-2008, 02:25 PM

oh and you have forgotten to mention a BD disc.

buckshot · 01-18-2008, 02:29 PM

a blu-ray burner? reading this I think I should go back up my stuff. I back up my laptop. but not my desktop. wouldn't a blu ray burner be great for that?

blugasm · 01-18-2008, 02:52 PM

A BD would be great for backups, but where I am, the blank media is horribly expensive right now. Between $20 and $30 per 25GB disc. DL DVD's are around $2 ea depending on quantity, so they are certainly more cost effective per GB.

Are the prices for blank media any better where everyone else is? With all the video work I do, I intend to start using BD, but right now the blanks are too much. I'd cry for an hour if I ever made a coaster out of a $30 disc...

jw · 01-18-2008, 02:55 PM

I use two hard drives on the same pc, that does the job, as well as I have all computers on a hardwire network I installed and use 2 Mybooks to store video files for use throughout the house

JohnGalt · 01-18-2008, 03:12 PM

Just dump everything to an external HDD, if you're extremely paranoid make two backups. With HDDs going for ~$120 for 500GB there's no excuse for not buying as many as required to give yourself some peace of mind.

lch · 01-18-2008, 03:17 PM

when did usb flashdrive need batteries ?

to be failsafe, you have to do multiple backup to different media.
dvds, flashdrive/flashcard, online (send to gmail/yahoo mail)...

york weir · 01-18-2008, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lch

when did usb flashdrive need batteries ?

to be failsafe, you have to do multiple backup to different media.
dvds, flashdrive/flashcard, online (send to gmail/yahoo mail)...

No idea on the batteries.

duplication is the ticket and spreading the data across different mediums like you say. If we're talking +10 gig of data how would gmail or yahoo work?

MatrixS2000 · 01-18-2008, 03:32 PM

RAID.

I have one of these with 500G drives in RAID 1 config and also backup to a third copy via usb.

I would still not want to consider storing BD type media on one of these...I want the disk.

blugasm · 01-18-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

I would still not want to consider storing BD type media on one of these...I want the disk.

I just want to clarify... I wasn't referring to copying a BD Disc. I am referring to backing up to or burning my own video onto a BD disc.

No pirating or digital download crap...

MatrixS2000 · 01-18-2008, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blugasm

I just want to clarify... I wasn't referring to copying a BD Disc. I am referring to backing up to or burning my own video onto a BD disc.

No pirating or digital download crap...

One of those NAS' will probably work very well for you...

blugasm · 01-18-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

One of those NAS' will probably work very well for you...

How do you find it speed wise? Are you backing up to it, or using it for general purpose storage?

I'm running an internal RAID right now, but need a solution for long term storage of the video projects I work on. External drives might be an option, fill em up and then shelve em. If they aren't running 24x7 for years at a time, it should be okay.

Teazle · 01-18-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lch

to be failsafe, you have to do multiple backup to different media.
dvds, flashdrive/flashcard, online (send to gmail/yahoo mail)...

And store one copy at a remote location in case of fire, flood etc. (E.g. burned encrypted DVD in a desk drawer at work.)

tron3 · 01-18-2008, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckshot

a blu-ray burner? reading this I think I should go back up my stuff. I back up my laptop. but not my desktop. wouldn't a blu ray burner be great for that?

www.plextor.com I bought one of the DVD burners and it rocks. Very sound writing mechinism.

york weir · 01-18-2008, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teazle

And store one copy at a remote location in case of fire, flood etc. (E.g. burned encrypted DVD in a desk drawer at work.)

Exactly. The reason there are Iron Mountain's etc.

01-18-2008, 02:02 PM	#1
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	Because Backing up is hard to do. Excuse the liberty I've taken with the 50's classic, "Because breaking up is hard to do." NO, I am not that old but I know of the song. Geeze. Who here backs up their data and how? I currently use 4.7GB DVD and don't want to start backing up onto DL DVD because they cost MUCH more. I am considering springing for a 16GB USB drive but I know those things use batteries. I'm afraid when the battery dies, I'll back up as usal and unplug it, just to have the data fade away. I'm and IT professional and have had my share of tapes and even lost all my data due to it really not backing up. I'm DONE with tape. External HD drives are not an answer to me because they are prone to failure. It has to be a hard removeable media as that is the most reliable means I know. I may seem to be nit picking, but I AM an IT professional. Not doing my job if I don't note all possible failure points.

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aygie Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:PSN Network: Aygie Blu-ray collection:99	oh and you have forgotten to mention a BD disc.

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buckshot Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Location:san die ego Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:9	a blu-ray burner? reading this I think I should go back up my stuff. I back up my laptop. but not my desktop. wouldn't a blu ray burner be great for that?

01-18-2008, 02:52 PM	#9
blugasm Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Vancouver Island	A BD would be great for backups, but where I am, the blank media is horribly expensive right now. Between $20 and $30 per 25GB disc. DL DVD's are around $2 ea depending on quantity, so they are certainly more cost effective per GB. Are the prices for blank media any better where everyone else is? With all the video work I do, I intend to start using BD, but right now the blanks are too much. I'd cry for an hour if I ever made a coaster out of a $30 disc...

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jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	I use two hard drives on the same pc, that does the job, as well as I have all computers on a hardwire network I installed and use 2 Mybooks to store video files for use throughout the house

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JohnGalt Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007 Trading Score:4	Just dump everything to an external HDD, if you're extremely paranoid make two backups. With HDDs going for ~$120 for 500GB there's no excuse for not buying as many as required to give yourself some peace of mind.

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lch Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:813 Blu-ray reviews:1	when did usb flashdrive need batteries ? to be failsafe, you have to do multiple backup to different media. dvds, flashdrive/flashcard, online (send to gmail/yahoo mail)...

01-18-2008, 03:32 PM	#14
MatrixS2000 Power Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Toronto, Canada 4K collection:48 Blu-ray collection:305 Trading Score:6	RAID. I have one of these with 500G drives in RAID 1 config and also backup to a third copy via usb. I would still not want to consider storing BD type media on one of these...I want the disk.

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