Lack of PS3-superior standalones hurting Blu-ray? - Blu-ray Forum

Maniccow · 01-20-2008, 10:14 AM

firat off im a blu-ray person this is no attact on blu-ray but if the ps3 is the best player out there which is great for sony! not so great for panasonic etc there player cost $500 and is slower etc. in fact i think ive herd all standalones are slow etc if true when will they release a player that is better than ps3 or equal to.... i mean surley if it slower it should be cheaper than ps3...

Blu-Beard · 01-20-2008, 10:20 AM

I don't know much about stand alone players as I have the ps3 but if what you're saying is correct then I don't think that would hurt Blu-ray at all. If anything maybe more people that aren't gamers will get the ps3 and then eventually get interested in gaming so maybe it'll help the ps3

Blu-Beard · 01-20-2008, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maniccow

in fact i think ive herd all standalones are slow etc

Did you spell it that way on purpose to go with the cow theme? LMAO

cakefoo · 01-20-2008, 10:31 AM

PS3 herding Blu-ray sales?

Beta-guy · 01-20-2008, 10:38 AM

the PS3 is no threat to other manufacturers, the PS3 is bringin in people and creating a new market once that market is estabblish the other manufacters with get a larger piece of the pie. I see the PS3 doing nothing but helping Blu-ray.

izomax · 01-20-2008, 10:42 AM

Are you trying to be dumb?

If it weren't for the PS3, HD-DVD would have won the format war.

Tichols · 01-20-2008, 10:44 AM

I get where your going, but I guess is comes down to way you look at it:
Blu Ray is a business, and companies support it to make money, Sony have the PS3 which doing very well, its fast, upgradable etc. They have spent years and muchas $$ making it, and are now cashing in..

Is it hurting Blu Ray, I cant see why that would be, if other companies decide to make standalone players, thats great, but if they arent as able as the PS3 - why should it survive.. Thats just the things work..

Your point is that this might discourage companies from even trying to make standalones, but I think they know theres money to be made and therefore will keep making them.
There will always be a market for standalones, as amazing as the PS3 is, it discourages many buyers- because they view it not as a player but a console.. furthermore the blu ray remote - is utterly chaotic when you look at it the first few times..

Zyclone · 01-20-2008, 11:17 AM

i think the playstation 3 is doing wonders for blu ray , its allowing heaps of people to not only be able to play blu rays but to enjoy gaming at the same time.

Lambchop · 01-20-2008, 11:17 AM

Your question is good if there was any concern about the Blu-ray format being a Sony Playstation Format. There isn't. Remember the PS3 is designed to fight in two markets: Gaming & Home Theatre. It is a fierce machine in both! The picture quality of other BD players is/can be better than the PS3s, but as far as other current features go the PS3 enjoys strengths from its gaming design such as awesome processor power, internet connectivity & large storage capacity. Traditionally on home theatre products the storage capacity is the disc/tape you want to watch, so regular Bd players have to become computers to an extent inorder to offer the same. They will eventually develop more approriate, specific & cheaper hardware for these players, that I'm sure will more than rival the PS3 on the home theatre front. If you will you could look at it like, the ps3 is there to create a market, the other CEs are familiarizing themselves with the hardware needs etc (learning about the tech, experimenting etc) & thanks to the PS3 can steadily bring great players to market without worrying about obsoletion (Is that even a word?) or huge financial loses.
Also, since Bd was rushed to market thanks to a format we don't speak of, the first gen players are lacking certain hardware features that will eventually become commonplace. The PS3 fighting & winning this war for the Format has bought the other CEs time to work on players, improving them with each generation.
Anyways, enough from me

elwaylite · 01-20-2008, 11:49 AM

While the PS3 may have been the cream a year ago, tis not the case now.

I just sold my PS3 for a BD30. BD PQ is better than the PS3 and the BD30 is very fast. Great player.

PS3 is a great media center, but I think we are now starting to finally see the standalones surpassing the PS3 in PQ and catching it in speed.

Irrob · 01-20-2008, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by izomax

Are you trying to be dumb?

If it weren't for the PS3, HD-DVD would have won the format war.

Yea, I cant see how the PS3 hurts Blu-ray, especially so early in it's lifespan.
If we did not have the market penetration the PS3 provided, would Warner have made the right choice?

Nerdkiller likes BD · 01-20-2008, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elwaylite

While the PS3 may have been the cream a year ago, tis not the case now.

I just sold my PS3 for a BD30. BD PQ is better than the PS3 and the BD30 is very fast. Great player.

PS3 is a great media center, but I think we are now starting to finally see the standalones surpassing the PS3 in PQ and catching it in speed.

I don't really care, the PS3 still has brilliant PQ (I haven't tried it out though) and has all the features that a normal BD player doesn't have. An easy to use XMB (only other one I've heard of is that $3500 player that can hold 200BD's), a web browser, an online connection from the start and of course, a game console.

elwaylite · 01-20-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

I don't really care, the PS3 still has brilliant PQ (I haven't tried it out though) and has all the features that a normal BD player doesn't have. An easy to use XMB (only other one I've heard of is that $3500 player that can hold 200BD's), a web browser, an online connection from the start and of course, a game console.

You act like I was bagging on the PS3.

This post was about slow and inferior standalones. I think most used to be, but they have finally started catching. The PS3 is a great unit, I just chose to sell it and my A2 for the Panny. Being I did not use many of the ps3 perks, Im glad I did being the BD30 has a sharper image.

blu reality · 01-20-2008, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elwaylite

While the PS3 may have been the cream a year ago, tis not the case now.

I just sold my PS3 for a BD30. BD PQ is better than the PS3 and the BD30 is very fast. Great player.

PS3 is a great media center, but I think we are now starting to finally see the standalones surpassing the PS3 in PQ and catching it in speed.

Talk about a Placebo.

Mastrodisastro · 01-20-2008, 01:15 PM

PS3 is still the best palyer available.
Now is profile 1.1.
Soon will Profile 2.0.
Price is "just" 399.

elwaylite · 01-20-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mastrodisastro

PS3 is still the best palyer available.
Now is profile 1.1.
Soon will Profile 2.0.
Price is "just" 399.

Opinion.

Depends on if you want your player to do many things, or just one.

Mastrodisastro · 01-20-2008, 01:27 PM

Since the format is not 100% defined I think is too early to spend a lot of money on a standalone player. We are still not sure if Panasonic, Pioneer, Sony, Samsung, Philips will be able to upgrade existing model to profile 2.0 so, and off course is my personal opinion, better to stay with PS3 for 2008, and may decide for good player on 2009.

MOONPHASE · 01-20-2008, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elwaylite

While the PS3 may have been the cream a year ago, tis not the case now.

I just sold my PS3 for a BD30. BD PQ is better than the PS3 and the BD30 is very fast. Great player.

PS3 is a great media center, but I think we are now starting to finally see the standalones surpassing the PS3 in PQ and catching it in speed.

ps3 is easier to update because of the online connection

elwaylite · 01-20-2008, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mastrodisastro

Since the format is not 100% defined I think is too early to spend a lot of money on a standalone player. We are still not sure if Panasonic, Pioneer, Sony, Samsung, Philips will be able to upgrade existing model to profile 2.0 so, and off course is my personal opinion, better to stay with PS3 for 2008, and may decide for good player on 2009.

I agree with this if 2.0 is important to you.

1.1 is all Ill ever worry about, so I made my jump now for a slightly sharper picture.

Keep in mind, Im commenting on 720p via the ps3 vs the bd30. It could be at 1080p these two look identical. I can say that at 720p though, the BD30 is sharper in my setup.

mkelley · 01-20-2008, 01:34 PM

The other advantage of the PS3 (insofar as blu is concerned) is that Sony puts a lot of money into advertising it, so folks are exposed to BD who might not otherwise be. That can't do anything but help BD.

Personally I wouldn't get a standalone player unless it offered something the PS3 didn't -- multiple discs immediately comes to mind. Someone will make a lot of money offering an affordable multiple disc BD player, I'm sure (and it's likely it will be Sony, since they pretty well own the regular multi-disc DVD player market).
(While BD as a rule has an advantage when it comes to being able to get more material on one disc, there's no question the high-end edition of many movie releases will always include at least one more disc and being able to load them both in at the same time is a real plus for many -- not to mention those of us who like to schedule "movie nights" complete with beginning cartoons and double features :>)

That's the only deficit I can see with the PS3 for quite some time to come (given its ability to upgrade easily online).

01-20-2008, 10:14 AM	#1
Maniccow Junior Member Member since:Jan 2008	Lack of PS3-superior standalones hurting Blu-ray? firat off im a blu-ray person this is no attact on blu-ray but if the ps3 is the best player out there which is great for sony! not so great for panasonic etc there player cost $500 and is slower etc. in fact i think ive herd all standalones are slow etc if true when will they release a player that is better than ps3 or equal to.... i mean surley if it slower it should be cheaper than ps3...

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01-20-2008, 10:20 AM	#2
Blu-Beard Banned Member since:Jan 2008	I don't know much about stand alone players as I have the ps3 but if what you're saying is correct then I don't think that would hurt Blu-ray at all. If anything maybe more people that aren't gamers will get the ps3 and then eventually get interested in gaming so maybe it'll help the ps3

01-20-2008, 10:31 AM	#4
cakefoo Active Member Member since:Dec 2007	PS3 herding Blu-ray sales?

01-20-2008, 10:38 AM	#5
Beta-guy Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:23 Blu-ray reviews:1	the PS3 is no threat to other manufacturers, the PS3 is bringin in people and creating a new market once that market is estabblish the other manufacters with get a larger piece of the pie. I see the PS3 doing nothing but helping Blu-ray.

01-20-2008, 10:42 AM	#6
izomax Member Member since:Jan 2008	Are you trying to be dumb? If it weren't for the PS3, HD-DVD would have won the format war.

01-20-2008, 10:44 AM	#7
Tichols Active Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Denmark Blu-ray collection:100	I get where your going, but I guess is comes down to way you look at it: Blu Ray is a business, and companies support it to make money, Sony have the PS3 which doing very well, its fast, upgradable etc. They have spent years and muchas $$ making it, and are now cashing in.. Is it hurting Blu Ray, I cant see why that would be, if other companies decide to make standalone players, thats great, but if they arent as able as the PS3 - why should it survive.. Thats just the things work.. Your point is that this might discourage companies from even trying to make standalones, but I think they know theres money to be made and therefore will keep making them. There will always be a market for standalones, as amazing as the PS3 is, it discourages many buyers- because they view it not as a player but a console.. furthermore the blu ray remote - is utterly chaotic when you look at it the first few times..

01-20-2008, 11:17 AM	#8
Zyclone Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Somewhere over the rainbow Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:304	i think the playstation 3 is doing wonders for blu ray , its allowing heaps of people to not only be able to play blu rays but to enjoy gaming at the same time.

01-20-2008, 11:17 AM	#9
Lambchop Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray collection:124	Your question is good if there was any concern about the Blu-ray format being a Sony Playstation Format. There isn't. Remember the PS3 is designed to fight in two markets: Gaming & Home Theatre. It is a fierce machine in both! The picture quality of other BD players is/can be better than the PS3s, but as far as other current features go the PS3 enjoys strengths from its gaming design such as awesome processor power, internet connectivity & large storage capacity. Traditionally on home theatre products the storage capacity is the disc/tape you want to watch, so regular Bd players have to become computers to an extent inorder to offer the same. They will eventually develop more approriate, specific & cheaper hardware for these players, that I'm sure will more than rival the PS3 on the home theatre front. If you will you could look at it like, the ps3 is there to create a market, the other CEs are familiarizing themselves with the hardware needs etc (learning about the tech, experimenting etc) & thanks to the PS3 can steadily bring great players to market without worrying about obsoletion (Is that even a word?) or huge financial loses. Also, since Bd was rushed to market thanks to a format we don't speak of, the first gen players are lacking certain hardware features that will eventually become commonplace. The PS3 fighting & winning this war for the Format has bought the other CEs time to work on players, improving them with each generation. Anyways, enough from me

01-20-2008, 11:49 AM	#10
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	While the PS3 may have been the cream a year ago, tis not the case now. I just sold my PS3 for a BD30. BD PQ is better than the PS3 and the BD30 is very fast. Great player. PS3 is a great media center, but I think we are now starting to finally see the standalones surpassing the PS3 in PQ and catching it in speed.

01-20-2008, 01:15 PM	#15
Mastrodisastro Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Italy	PS3 is still the best palyer available. Now is profile 1.1. Soon will Profile 2.0. Price is "just" 399.

01-20-2008, 01:27 PM	#17
Mastrodisastro Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Italy	Since the format is not 100% defined I think is too early to spend a lot of money on a standalone player. We are still not sure if Panasonic, Pioneer, Sony, Samsung, Philips will be able to upgrade existing model to profile 2.0 so, and off course is my personal opinion, better to stay with PS3 for 2008, and may decide for good player on 2009.

01-20-2008, 01:34 PM	#20
mkelley Active Member Member since:Dec 2007	The other advantage of the PS3 (insofar as blu is concerned) is that Sony puts a lot of money into advertising it, so folks are exposed to BD who might not otherwise be. That can't do anything but help BD. Personally I wouldn't get a standalone player unless it offered something the PS3 didn't -- multiple discs immediately comes to mind. Someone will make a lot of money offering an affordable multiple disc BD player, I'm sure (and it's likely it will be Sony, since they pretty well own the regular multi-disc DVD player market). (While BD as a rule has an advantage when it comes to being able to get more material on one disc, there's no question the high-end edition of many movie releases will always include at least one more disc and being able to load them both in at the same time is a real plus for many -- not to mention those of us who like to schedule "movie nights" complete with beginning cartoons and double features :>) That's the only deficit I can see with the PS3 for quite some time to come (given its ability to upgrade easily online).

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