This May Be A Dumb Question.... - Blu-ray Forum

bumpylemon · 02-03-2008, 04:33 AM

OK. I love blu ray. i cant stop buying and my wife is gonna kill me soon enough because i just bought Planet Earth as well. ONly thing i didnt get yet is the audio HD yet. any way. The only issue i have is for instance...when i play a movie and it looks grainy or its a horrible transfer how do i explain that to people...They are like...well my dvd doesnt grain or look like that, I dont know what to say.. i see people also making the joke about 300 as grainy..i dont get it lol. it did look grainy but it also looked amazing to me...my wife complained...i thought maybe it was suppose to look like that. I also wanted to know how to get the possible best quality or highest bitrates. do certain players create better bitrates? i have a ps3 with hdmi going to my phillips 42inch LCD 1080p TV. just wanna make sure im doin it all right...thanks alot for answering my rant

JasonR · 02-03-2008, 04:39 AM

Turn down your sharpness, calibrate your TV, and let me know your results. Planet Earth should be pristine.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=32738

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t=planet+earth

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=37

mystiksuicide · 02-03-2008, 04:42 AM

Calibration, calibration, calibration.!!!!

bumpylemon · 02-03-2008, 04:43 AM

lol i did the avia calibration..but that was after i watched 300. ill go pop it in now and see how it looks lol

bumpylemon · 02-03-2008, 05:45 AM

so does calibration effect the bitrates that the blu ray puts out? cuz i would think that it would have nothing to do with that. how do you get maxium bitrates out of a blu ray?

savage1984 · 02-03-2008, 06:21 AM

if you have the rat movie, there is a calibration tool on the bd too. I used it to tweak my tv.

JasonR · 02-03-2008, 06:23 AM

Calibration does not effect bitrates...

bumpylemon · 02-03-2008, 06:26 AM

i heard that the rat movies calibration wasnt good.

JasonR · 02-03-2008, 06:27 AM

It isn't bad. The brightness is a little high, other that that it's okay.

JasonR · 02-03-2008, 06:36 AM

Oh and if you're sticking with that Avatar, let me know. I will change mine. I just like to be distinguishable....

bumpylemon · 02-03-2008, 06:47 AM

dude you had it first..ill change it. its funny cuz my wife and i fall asleep to that movie every night. sad sad i know. its our favorite...plus we are obsessed with "frat pack" movies and all their associates...ill change it. lol

PeechCobblerPie · 02-03-2008, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Calibration, calibration, calibration.!!!!

...

cdot2four · 02-03-2008, 07:03 AM

It cracks me up that people cant tell the difference between 480 and 720 and the people that cant tell the difference between 480 and 1080 are morons. probably the same people that watched a dvd for the first time and said whats the difference between vhs?? these same "friends" will have a bluray player in 3 years.

the director of 300 wanted to put grain in the movie so when you watch it on bluray your getting just what the director wanted.

blindcat87 · 02-03-2008, 07:47 AM

As others have said, calibration is important, and turning sharpness down to zero is best as sharpness just adds false information and can enhance grain.

Do a search for the discussions on grain in film, some people have suggestions for ways to explain to people less knowledgeable about film that film grain is supposed to be there and that being able to see it means you are getting the full detail. What you want is for your settings to allow you to see the film as the director intended with the amount of grain he or she intended without erasing it, which also erases fine detail or enhancing it, which exaggerates it and can even lead to sparklies and such nasty little side effects. I have found in the past that sharpness is one of the biggest culprits along with pumping brightness and contrast too high. A lot of people follow the instructions on a calibration disc and then think it is too dark or not high contrast enough and pump the settings up. It can take from a couple of days to a couple of weeks of viewing for your eyes to adjust to a properly calibrated display. Once that happens, you begin to notice how much more detail can be seen and how much more accurate colors are. Also make sure all so called "enhancement" settings are off like DNR and contrast boosting. Certain settings like motion smoothing on 120 Hz displays can enhance or degrade the image and are often a matter of opinion. If you don't know what one of these settings does, do a google search on it, or post a question on it here and see if anyone has any input on what it does and whether it should be on or off.

It may seem weird to have a blind guy giving advice on video settings, but I spent a lot of time learning about this before my eyes got so bad, and learned that even what I can see as my vision degrades can be maximized by good calibration.

Chris

JJ · 02-03-2008, 08:05 AM

You rockin the 42PFL7432D/37? I have excellent calibrated settings for that one, since mine is basically the same but...bigger.

bumpylemon · 02-03-2008, 08:06 AM

thanks for your responses. i understand the grain thing and directors wanting that look. makes sense. i have the Philips 42PFL7422D. Could you PM me your settings when ever you get a chance? that would be awesome

i would assume that their aint much of a difference...what do you think

JJ · 02-03-2008, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bumpylemon

thanks for your responses. i understand the grain thing and directors wanting that look. makes sense.yes i do have 42PFL7432D/37 could you PM me your settings when ever you get a chance? that would be awesome

I'll do it right now - let me give it a turn on. You're lucky I'm sobering up and can't fall asleep.

bumpylemon · 02-03-2008, 08:14 AM

haha you went out tonight i assume? lol ya its 410am for us....im bout to go to bed...being from massachusetts tomorrow is gonna be a big day lol..so tomorrow night i will be wasted.

JJ · 02-03-2008, 08:14 AM

First:

Custom Color Temp:
R-WP: 112
G-WP: 110
B-WP: 90
R-BL: 7
G-BL: 6

Then:

Contrast: 75-90 (this is personal preference here - I like 80-85 best)
Brightness: 75
Color: 60
Tint: 8
Sharpness: 1
Perfect Pixel HD: OFF (this feature does not help at all with BDs)
Dynamic Contrast: Minimum
Noise Reduction: Maximum

Give that a try. Oh and if you use the PS3 set RGB to full but leave it on Automatic.

JJ · 02-03-2008, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bumpylemon

haha you went out tonight i assume? lol ya its 410am for us....im bout to go to bed...being from massachusetts tomorrow is gonna be a big day lol..so tomorrow night i will be wasted.

Yes. But let's not talk football. I'm liable to say things I don't mean about the Patriots,

02-03-2008, 04:33 AM	#1
bumpylemon Expert Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Worcester, Ma Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:26	This May Be A Dumb Question.... OK. I love blu ray. i cant stop buying and my wife is gonna kill me soon enough because i just bought Planet Earth as well. ONly thing i didnt get yet is the audio HD yet. any way. The only issue i have is for instance...when i play a movie and it looks grainy or its a horrible transfer how do i explain that to people...They are like...well my dvd doesnt grain or look like that, I dont know what to say.. i see people also making the joke about 300 as grainy..i dont get it lol. it did look grainy but it also looked amazing to me...my wife complained...i thought maybe it was suppose to look like that. I also wanted to know how to get the possible best quality or highest bitrates. do certain players create better bitrates? i have a ps3 with hdmi going to my phillips 42inch LCD 1080p TV. just wanna make sure im doin it all right...thanks alot for answering my rant

02-03-2008, 08:06 AM	#16
bumpylemon Expert Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Worcester, Ma Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:26	thanks for your responses. i understand the grain thing and directors wanting that look. makes sense. i have the Philips 42PFL7422D. Could you PM me your settings when ever you get a chance? that would be awesome i would assume that their aint much of a difference...what do you think Last edited by bumpylemon; 02-03-2008 at 08:11 AM.

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02-03-2008, 04:39 AM	#2
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	Turn down your sharpness, calibrate your TV, and let me know your results. Planet Earth should be pristine. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=32738 https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t=planet+earth https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=37

02-03-2008, 04:42 AM	#3
mystiksuicide Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Miami Blu-ray collection:305 Blu-ray reviews:27	Calibration, calibration, calibration.!!!!

02-03-2008, 04:43 AM	#4
bumpylemon Expert Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Worcester, Ma Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:26	lol i did the avia calibration..but that was after i watched 300. ill go pop it in now and see how it looks lol

02-03-2008, 05:45 AM	#5
bumpylemon Expert Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Worcester, Ma Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:26	so does calibration effect the bitrates that the blu ray puts out? cuz i would think that it would have nothing to do with that. how do you get maxium bitrates out of a blu ray?

02-03-2008, 06:21 AM	#6
savage1984 Banned Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Los Angeles	if you have the rat movie, there is a calibration tool on the bd too. I used it to tweak my tv.

02-03-2008, 06:23 AM	#7
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	Calibration does not effect bitrates...

02-03-2008, 06:26 AM	#8
bumpylemon Expert Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Worcester, Ma Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:26	i heard that the rat movies calibration wasnt good.

02-03-2008, 06:27 AM	#9
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	It isn't bad. The brightness is a little high, other that that it's okay.

02-03-2008, 06:36 AM	#10
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	Oh and if you're sticking with that Avatar, let me know. I will change mine. I just like to be distinguishable....

02-03-2008, 06:47 AM	#11
bumpylemon Expert Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Worcester, Ma Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:26	dude you had it first..ill change it. its funny cuz my wife and i fall asleep to that movie every night. sad sad i know. its our favorite...plus we are obsessed with "frat pack" movies and all their associates...ill change it. lol

02-03-2008, 07:03 AM	#13
cdot2four Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Metro Detroit PSN:cdot2four Blu-ray collection:158 Blu-ray reviews:23 Trading Score:4	It cracks me up that people cant tell the difference between 480 and 720 and the people that cant tell the difference between 480 and 1080 are morons. probably the same people that watched a dvd for the first time and said whats the difference between vhs?? these same "friends" will have a bluray player in 3 years. the director of 300 wanted to put grain in the movie so when you watch it on bluray your getting just what the director wanted.

02-03-2008, 07:47 AM	#14
blindcat87 Expert Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Southern NM	As others have said, calibration is important, and turning sharpness down to zero is best as sharpness just adds false information and can enhance grain. Do a search for the discussions on grain in film, some people have suggestions for ways to explain to people less knowledgeable about film that film grain is supposed to be there and that being able to see it means you are getting the full detail. What you want is for your settings to allow you to see the film as the director intended with the amount of grain he or she intended without erasing it, which also erases fine detail or enhancing it, which exaggerates it and can even lead to sparklies and such nasty little side effects. I have found in the past that sharpness is one of the biggest culprits along with pumping brightness and contrast too high. A lot of people follow the instructions on a calibration disc and then think it is too dark or not high contrast enough and pump the settings up. It can take from a couple of days to a couple of weeks of viewing for your eyes to adjust to a properly calibrated display. Once that happens, you begin to notice how much more detail can be seen and how much more accurate colors are. Also make sure all so called "enhancement" settings are off like DNR and contrast boosting. Certain settings like motion smoothing on 120 Hz displays can enhance or degrade the image and are often a matter of opinion. If you don't know what one of these settings does, do a google search on it, or post a question on it here and see if anyone has any input on what it does and whether it should be on or off. It may seem weird to have a blind guy giving advice on video settings, but I spent a lot of time learning about this before my eyes got so bad, and learned that even what I can see as my vision degrades can be maximized by good calibration. Chris

02-03-2008, 08:05 AM	#15
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	You rockin the 42PFL7432D/37? I have excellent calibrated settings for that one, since mine is basically the same but...bigger.

02-03-2008, 08:14 AM	#18
bumpylemon Expert Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Worcester, Ma Blu-ray collection:51 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:26	haha you went out tonight i assume? lol ya its 410am for us....im bout to go to bed...being from massachusetts tomorrow is gonna be a big day lol..so tomorrow night i will be wasted.

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