I have recently purchased and installed a Sammy 5271 and I am having lots of issues like most people are with stutter, TBE and mini blinds. I just felt like my 42inch 1080i set had a better HD Cable output. There are LOADS of pages on avsforum.com about issues with this TV and the smaller version. I just think at $3,000 you should be completely satisfied and not constantly looking for blemishes, etc.
With that said...If I went to a plasma, would I really, truly notice a difference in blu-ray and HD cable? I do use my ps3/xbox for games and is burn in still an issue?
I would be really curious about your opinions. Thanks
There is a higher chance of burn in on the plasma. So if you are watching a ticker, that could be a problem. I use my plasma for movies, games, and tv shows, so they tend to not cause any problems with it. I have noticed that when I watch a tv show and it displays the network logo on the screen for a while, that it will still be there when I watch something else. You'll probably want to stick with an LCD for what you are doing.
Turbo...I see we have the same TV. Are you 100% satisfied with your set? Are you experiencing the TBE and the mini blinds? I am wondering if I should just enjoy my TV and stop looking for it. I just hate that I spent $3,000 last week and here I am already looking to exchange it. I know its probably the best picture out there, but these little annoyances make me mad.
Turbo...I see we have the same TV. Are you 100% satisfied with your set? Are you experiencing the TBE and the mini blinds? I am wondering if I should just enjoy my TV and stop looking for it. I just hate that I spent $3,000 last week and here I am already looking to exchange it. I know its probably the best picture out there, but these little annoyances make me mad.
I get no TBE. my set was made late DEC and has the new pc chipset. Only thing I get is a little studder under 120hz "high" and only under the right circumstances.
i have a sony 52 xbr4 lcd and a philips 42 ambilight plasma. my lcd has a better picture but my plasma is a mid level set, compared to the upper plasmas ie panasonic and pioneer i think the picture is better on those. i have no issues with my lcd and i could not be happier with the picture. there are pros and cons to each one and no one is better then the other, its all about what fits you best.
I have recently purchased and installed a Sammy 5271 and I am having lots of issues like most people are with stutter, TBE and mini blinds. I just felt like my 42inch 1080i set had a better HD Cable output. There are LOADS of pages on avsforum.com about issues with this TV and the smaller version. I just think at $3,000 you should be completely satisfied and not constantly looking for blemishes, etc.
With that said...If I went to a plasma, would I really, truly notice a difference in blu-ray and HD cable? I do use my ps3/xbox for games and is burn in still an issue?
I would be really curious about your opinions. Thanks
I have a Pioneer/Elite PRO-110FD 50" 1080p plasma and a Westinghouse LVM-37w1 37" 1080p LCD. No contest, the plasma outperforms the LCD. Plasma is absolutely the best method for viewing HD. Plasmas are no more susceptible to burn-in than a CRT. If you leave a still image on any display for an extended period of time, you will sustain burn-in.
There is a higher chance of burn in on the plasma. So if you are watching a ticker, that could be a problem. I use my plasma for movies, games, and tv shows, so they tend to not cause any problems with it. I have noticed that when I watch a tv show and it displays the network logo on the screen for a while, that it will still be there when I watch something else. You'll probably want to stick with an LCD for what you are doing.
Ya know... plasma is not a heck of a lot different than CRT... the phosphors suffer burn in... but... you might have this problem watching a stock ticker over a period of 10 years constantly on your screen 20 hours a day... otherwise I probably wouldn't worry about it too much. My old CRT never got burn in no matter what games I played or how long I left it on any static image. The plasmas are even better... with a 1/2 life of 100,000 hours now. I have never seen persistent logos on my panasonic plasma... or even the old old old crt's I used to have... come on.lol.
Anyways... LCD's suffer from so many image quality problems I wouldn't even consider them any more. By the time OLED is rocking... no one will care. OLED might suffer burn in too... but it will still be better than LCD. Everything is better than LCD.
Don't let anyone convince you Plasmas won't have burn-in issues... they will and do. The good news today is that your newer Plasmas come with built-in burnout features that allow you to reverse the effect of it. My Plasma will hold the lines on the side of the screen when watching programs that are not full screen programs. You can see a hint of the burn in after watching for awhile. Yes, ticker streams at the bottom or top will create light burn-in if you leave the channel active long enough. Plasmas absolutely do have this issue and will always have this issue, to some level and degree, as long as it is a phosphorus burning unit.
I run my burn-out feature on my Plasma when I really notice the burn-in and it completely reverses the burn-in. That's one of the big reasons I went ahead and bought a Plasma after getting rid of my 42" Sony Grand Vega LCD. The fact that PQ on Plasma has better color richness and visual depth than LCD, and the burn-in protection feature.
However, the lines between Plasma and LCD are very close now and Plasma will eventually lose its footing as the top PQ reproduction. In some cases with certain newer LCDs it already has. I have a Phillips 32" LCD in the master bedroom and the PQ is absolutely great. There are times when it blows away my Samsung Plasma. The only thing I don't like about the 32" LCD, which is nothing to make me turn my nose up at, is that the PQ seems to be more linear and flat than the PQ on the Plasma. The Plasma gives me a more visually deeper aspect than LCD. I like that.
Basically, both are one in the same. Both, considering there are little differences that create the same issue, are still very prevalent and need to be addressed. If I were going to differentiate the two, retention and Burn-in, I would say retention would be easier to resolve than burn-in. By the time you truly would have a burn-in issue, it may very very difficult to resolve it. The key is to stay pro-active and address it regularly.
Here's a little article defining retention and burn-in. Good point you bring up, eChopper.
Besides questions about the average lifespan of plasma TVs, the question I get most from people has to do with plasma TV screen burn-in. Which raises the question: What is plasma display burn-in, and how does one know what to expect and is it still a problem?
All phosphor based display systems (CRT direct and rear view and plasma) are susceptible to image retention also known as "ghosting, image shadowing, image burn in." This is due to physical properties of phosphor and how it reacts to light and electric impulse.
The good news is that for the past couple of years quality manufacturers have been steadily working on improving plasma technology resistance to "burn in" with great success. One technique used is motion adaptive anti burn in technology, which focuses on moving the on-screen image ever so slightly. The goal is to avoid detection by the human eye, but still move the image enough to cause color changes in the pixels. A second improvement by some manufacturers is improvement in the phosphor gas itself in order to make it more resistant. The green phosphor is the most important in this process. This is also a key element in increasing phosphor and screen lifespan to CRT levels.
As a result of these advancements, a couple of prominent manufacturers now claim that plasma TVs have the same burn in resistance and susceptibility as CRT TVs. When was the last time you heard someone say that they were concerned about image burn in on their tube TV? Never?
But to digress, burn in, simply put, is a damaged pixel, whose phosphors have been prematurely aged and therefore glow less intensely than those of surrounding pixels on the plasma TV screen. The damaged or "burned in" pixel has developed a "memory" of the color information that was repeatedly fed to it in a static manner over a period of time. And that phosphor color information has actually become seared or etched into the plasma TV glass. Hence the term, "burn-in." Once these phosphors are damaged, they cannot give the same output as the other phosphors around them do. But pixels do not suffer burn-in singly. Burn-in occurs in the shape of a static image that persists on TV screens -- things like network logos, computer icons, Internet browser frames, or an entire image that has been displayed in a static manner etc. Network logos were a problem initially but they have now become sensitive to the problem and have also adapted a motion logo technology which prevents burn in.
So, how do you prevent burn-in on your brand-new plasma TV screen?
(1) Some obvious advice: Do not leave static images on your plasma TV screen for more than an hour. Turn off your unit when you are not watching it. Do not pause DVDs for more than 20 minutes at a time.
(2) Know that plasma screens are more prone to burn-in during their first 200 hours of use. When phosphors are fresh, they burn more intensely as they are ignited. This means that relatively new plasma display TVs are prone to "ghosting", which occurs when on-screen images appear to stay on the screen belatedly. This is a function of the high intensity with which new phosphors "pop," and this phenomenon usually "washes out" on its own, as the screen displays subsequent images. Displaying a bright, or moving snow image (as with a DVD or VCR with no input) will "wash" a ghost image from the screen in most cases. Many plasma manufacturers have installed anti-burn settings, which are monotone gray or snow screen settings which recalibrate pixel intensity levels uniformly - thus eliminating any image retention (ghosting). It is a good idea to run this type of program after the first 100 hours or so.
(3) Adjust the CONTRAST setting at or below 50% on your new plasma TV. These days most plasma TVs are preset to either peak or very high contrast (also called picture setting on many TVs). This forces phosphors to glow more intensely, which decreases the length of time necessary for burn-in to occur. Our advice is to reduce the contrast setting to 50% or less for the first 200 hours of use. And, be sure to avail yourself of your plasma's anti-burn-in features.
(4) Some plasma televisions burn-in more easily than others. In my experience, AliS type panels -- the ones utilized by Hitachi and Fujistu -- seem more readily given over to problems with burn-in. As well, be more wary of the 2nd and 3rd tier brands as their technology is usually not as up to date as some of the better 1st tier brands.
(5) When displaying video games and other content which have static images, use your burn-in protection features like power management settings, full-time picture shift (both vertical and horizontal), and automatic screen-saver functions. Check your Owner's Manual for further information.
(6) Realize that quality matters with burn-in as with everything else. Purchase a plasma display that has really good scaling, so that you can watch 4:3 TV programs in widescreen comfortably. It is better not to display black bars on your TV screen for prolonged periods of time (especially in the first 200 hours), so you are probably better off watching most everything in "full screen" mode. This should not be much of a problem todays selection of widescreen HDTV and DVDT content.
Also, higher quality TVs tend to be more resistant to burn-in -- though not entirely immune to it. Of the plasma displays I've owned and/or tested extensively, NEC, Sony, Pioneer, and Panasonic seemed least prone to burn-in once the plasma screen was properly broken in.
Note: There are some applications which are simply not well suited to plasma display technology. The static flight schedule signage at airports, for example. It amazes me to walk into an airport and see a ruined plasma display monitor hanging from the ceiling with what is obviously an extreme case of permanent burn- in. As LCD monitors have increased in size, they are being used to replace plasma displays in this types of setting.
The Bottom Line on Burn-In
Plasma TV burn-in is not an issue that should cause undue concern in the average user. With a modicum of caution, most plasma TVs will probably never have a problem with image retention. A viewer may experience temporary ghosting, but this is not cause for alarm.
i've said this before on other threads, but i guess i'll say it again...
if you choose a newer generation of plasma tv(i am referring to only panasonic and pioneer models) you will be getting the absolutey highest rated flat panel display when is comes picture quality, clarity, and color. but you do have the possibility of temporary image retention, and the very very slim chance of permanent burn-in. You would really have to neglect your tv to do permanent damage.
if you choose LCD, you will have to live with the permanent and persistent problem of slow response time(4-8ms). which i find to be unacceptable. and no, 120hz is not a resolution to pixel response time.
****all above comments are for large screen tv's only, 42" and up, and do not apply to smaller screens********
i've said this before on other threads, but i guess i'll say it again...
if you choose a newer generation of plasma tv(i am referring to only panasonic and pioneer models) you will be getting the absolutey highest rated flat panel display when is comes picture quality, clarity, and color. but you do have the possibility of temporary image retention, and the very very slim chance of permanent burn-in. You would really have to neglect your tv to do permanent damage.
if you choose LCD, you will have to live with the permanent and persistent problem of slow response time(4-8ms). which i find to be unacceptable. and no, 120hz is not a resolution to pixel response time.
****all above comments are for large screen tv's only, 42" and up, and do not apply to smaller screens********
Well, considering he's talking about a large Plasma in this thread, this information posted on this subject would apply. Good to know your point of view on the smaller sets though.
I have a 42' polaroid plasma and a 46' samsung lcd(4669). I was NEVER going to get an LCD untill this past christmas when I saw quite a few LCD's that looked great. I still prefer plasma but we got the samsung for 1700 which was a great deal. Plus I enjoy the 120htz and how it makes the shows look. Alot of people feel it looks like a newscast but that is fine with me.
I have recently purchased and installed a Sammy 5271 and I am having lots of issues like most people are with stutter, TBE and mini blinds. I just felt like my 42inch 1080i set had a better HD Cable output. There are LOADS of pages on avsforum.com about issues with this TV and the smaller version. I just think at $3,000 you should be completely satisfied and not constantly looking for blemishes, etc.
With that said...If I went to a plasma, would I really, truly notice a difference in blu-ray and HD cable? I do use my ps3/xbox for games and is burn in still an issue?
I would be really curious about your opinions. Thanks
I was looking at the 4671 myself but went with the Samsung FP-T5084. I was also concerned about the image retention issues... But after owning the TV for a month now I don't give it much thought...
I play a lot of PS3 myself and blu rays.... The only game that gives me any issue about image retention is Rockband.... And some others have said you just run the scrolling screen to get rid of the retention.. 30-60min later it is totally gone..
I am very happy with mine... and I am glad I went with plasma... The motion artifacts made by LCD were an issue for me.
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