Yes! No haloing in Blu-ray vs. DVDs more than just resolution increase - Blu-ray Forum

Kuraudo · 03-16-2008, 07:29 AM

I tend to like to analyze video now , and to my awesome discovery
the blu rays have literally no haloing that I could find.

In Dvds have all kinds of errors in them, depending how good or bad the author is. Haloing is the most common problem I see
along with lack of sharpened details, mosquito noise, artifacts...
A lot of people agreed that black levels seem to have more punch and detail, but I haven't compared that part too well, what do you guys think?

The blu ray encodes so far I have found nothing of the above mentioned errors. I have to look a little closer to find flaws.
Its simply more than just a simple increase in resolution.

Daredevil666 · 03-16-2008, 01:48 PM

What ? about 60% of the BR out there are Edge Enhanced to death. The last casualty is "Jesse James".
It's still a disease, I wish Cobra would come back and burn all these techs in the furnace. We need a cure.

gandley · 03-16-2008, 03:24 PM

No instead we still have EE, though not so heavely used as in dvd where it blurred out detail, but we still have to thank warner for filtering out fine detail on some of there encodes to reduce film grain or for whatever reason they do it (bitrate saving for HDDVD nodoubt.)

Still some work needed to be done to get great encodes but also consumer education is required, as some masters are soft and due to consumer expectations EE is used to try and sharpen a soft master. not evey movie is gonna be animation sharp and the guy above should know this already.

Deciazulado · 03-16-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdvision

What ? about 60% of the BR out there are Edge Enhanced to death. The last casualty is "Jesse James".
It's still a disease, I wish Cobra would come back and burn all these techs in the furnace. We need a cure.

Is interesting, since I own 70% of US Blu-rays and I've almost never notice edge enhancement when watching on a direct view 1080 x 1920 1:1 panel with sharpness set to flat.

WickyWoo · 03-16-2008, 04:42 PM

Indeed, it has to be a display artifact. the only halos I see are at the top and bottom of scope transfers, a few pixel wide line that's indicative of the hard edges and happens in compression a lot

TheRealBob · 03-16-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Indeed, it has to be a display artifact. the only halos I see are at the top and bottom of scope transfers, a few pixel wide line that's indicative of the hard edges and happens in compression a lot

You'd think they would have allowed for different-sized images instead of hardcoded it to 1920x1080.

Barring that, you'd think they'd at least allow a few bits to specify the image size so they could include a few extra lines at the top and the bottom and then mask them off.

Kuraudo · 03-16-2008, 06:12 PM

Actually Edge Enhancment is just as bad
I guess according to this article it is the same? or does the EE actually create the halos?
http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

Aiya, i guess It will be a WHILE till we have perfect video.

I'm not as experienced as you guys here with your 100+ blu rays
so I'm ready to back down anytime with your thoughts.

TheRealBob · 03-16-2008, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuraudo

Actually Edge Enhancment is just as bad
I guess according to this article it is the same? or does the EE actually create the halos?
http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

Aiya, i guess It will be a WHILE till we have perfect video.

I'm not as experienced as you guys here with your 100+ blu rays
so I'm ready to back down anytime with your thoughts.

I don't see anything about edge enhancement on Blu-ray Discs on that page.

Keep in mind this doesn't really have anything to do with the format. It's a filtering step done to the video that can simply not be done, both on DVD and BD. So I'm not sure that your statement "i guess It will be a WHILE till we have perfect video" is justified. Even if it were the case that all BDs today had severe edge enhancement (it's not), they could still stop doing it to new titles right now.

Mobe1969 · 03-16-2008, 09:17 PM

I'm very picky on edge enhancement and it was one of my main bugbears on DVD. So many transfers just utterly ruined by it.

I haven't noticed any on blu ray yet. Maybe in some cases I don't have the ruined films, and maybe it is setup related. Sharpness I always have turned way down.

Kuraudo · 03-16-2008, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealBob

I don't see anything about edge enhancement on Blu-ray Discs on that page.

Keep in mind this doesn't really have anything to do with the format. It's a filtering step done to the video that can simply not be done, both on DVD and BD. So I'm not sure that your statement "i guess It will be a WHILE till we have perfect video" is justified. Even if it were the case that all BDs today had severe edge enhancement (it's not), they could still stop doing it to new titles right now.

Well who do I believe? the first person who responded to me said theres EE on blu.
I only have 8 movies (watched only 2 of them so far) so you guys can tell me.

gandley · 03-16-2008, 10:46 PM

ive only see EE on a couple titles, and it was no where near as bad as dvd was/is.

ryoohki · 03-16-2008, 11:25 PM

The biggest flaw i see in Blu-ray is banding. Witch is more common in Warner Brother encode. I can't remember seeing any on Fox, Disney, Sony and Lionsgate AVC encode...

TheRealBob · 03-17-2008, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuraudo

Well who do I believe? the first person who responded to me said theres EE on blu.
I only have 8 movies (watched only 2 of them so far) so you guys can tell me.

Some BD titles had edge enhancement applied. Most did not.

So it's not a case of whether BD has edge enhancement or it doesn't. As I tried to say in my last message, this is a choice made for each individual title. Most BDs do not have edge enhancement.

03-16-2008, 07:29 AM	#1
Kuraudo Active Member Member since:Feb 2008	Yes! No haloing in Blu-ray vs. DVDs more than just resolution increase I tend to like to analyze video now , and to my awesome discovery the blu rays have literally no haloing that I could find. In Dvds have all kinds of errors in them, depending how good or bad the author is. Haloing is the most common problem I see along with lack of sharpened details, mosquito noise, artifacts... A lot of people agreed that black levels seem to have more punch and detail, but I haven't compared that part too well, what do you guys think? The blu ray encodes so far I have found nothing of the above mentioned errors. I have to look a little closer to find flaws. Its simply more than just a simple increase in resolution. Last edited by Kuraudo; 03-16-2008 at 07:32 AM.

03-16-2008, 06:12 PM	#7
Kuraudo Active Member Member since:Feb 2008	Actually Edge Enhancment is just as bad I guess according to this article it is the same? or does the EE actually create the halos? http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm Aiya, i guess It will be a WHILE till we have perfect video. I'm not as experienced as you guys here with your 100+ blu rays so I'm ready to back down anytime with your thoughts. Last edited by Kuraudo; 03-16-2008 at 06:20 PM.

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03-16-2008, 01:48 PM	#2
Daredevil666 Power Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Future Earth Blu-ray reviews:1	What ? about 60% of the BR out there are Edge Enhanced to death. The last casualty is "Jesse James". It's still a disease, I wish Cobra would come back and burn all these techs in the furnace. We need a cure.

03-16-2008, 03:24 PM	#3
gandley Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:The Drowning Pool	No instead we still have EE, though not so heavely used as in dvd where it blurred out detail, but we still have to thank warner for filtering out fine detail on some of there encodes to reduce film grain or for whatever reason they do it (bitrate saving for HDDVD nodoubt.) Still some work needed to be done to get great encodes but also consumer education is required, as some masters are soft and due to consumer expectations EE is used to try and sharpen a soft master. not evey movie is gonna be animation sharp and the guy above should know this already.

03-16-2008, 04:42 PM	#5
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Indeed, it has to be a display artifact. the only halos I see are at the top and bottom of scope transfers, a few pixel wide line that's indicative of the hard edges and happens in compression a lot

03-16-2008, 09:17 PM	#9
Mobe1969 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Brisbane, Australia 4K collection:980 Blu-ray collection:1610	I'm very picky on edge enhancement and it was one of my main bugbears on DVD. So many transfers just utterly ruined by it. I haven't noticed any on blu ray yet. Maybe in some cases I don't have the ruined films, and maybe it is setup related. Sharpness I always have turned way down.

03-16-2008, 10:46 PM	#11
gandley Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:The Drowning Pool	ive only see EE on a couple titles, and it was no where near as bad as dvd was/is.

03-16-2008, 11:25 PM	#12
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	The biggest flaw i see in Blu-ray is banding. Witch is more common in Warner Brother encode. I can't remember seeing any on Fox, Disney, Sony and Lionsgate AVC encode...

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