hdcp monitor still required? - Blu-ray Forum

dewsphere · 04-23-2008, 10:19 PM

im buying a blu ray drive and have been reading that some studios dont even require hdcp monitor to play movies. but ive also read that u do need it so im torn. if i get a blu ray drive, can i play movies on my non hdcp monitor?

JeremyPiven · 04-24-2008, 12:45 AM

It's a 2 fold situation.

I know the following is true -

Your monitor and video card MUST BE HDCP capable in order to play BD movies on your computer via HDMI/DVI.

You can play them as well through VGA and not have to worry about HDCP on the monitor side.

Best bet- get a used 2407/8 24" Wide screen Dell. HDCP compliant on the DVI/HDMI inputs. They are relatively cheap too.

jw · 04-24-2008, 01:03 AM

I dont watch many movies via the pc, thats why the digital copies are useless to me. Thats another reason I havent gotten a bd drive for the pc

dewsphere · 04-24-2008, 05:56 AM

i have a hdcp video card so thats not a problem. would getting a dvi to vga converter fix the problem?

JeremyPiven · 04-24-2008, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewsphere

i have a hdcp video card so thats not a problem. would getting a dvi to vga converter fix the problem?

Never tried that. You can give it a try?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaliraver69

If the OP purchases AnyDVD then he won't need an HDCP video card or monitor.

That from my understanding is not allowed to be discussed here. Either way, I am sure the OP does not want to rip every movie he has before he plays it. This would take in excess of several hours for each film.

srjj1 · 04-24-2008, 08:42 PM

Most PC's need a dedicated hardware decoder (Radeon HD and Nivdia 8xxx), to play BD so you have HDCP for the hardware. I'll just go with a HDCP monitor, you can buy a 720p one for a small amount of money (1080p is a waste, the difference is so minor for small screens, not noticiable even on a 32 inch screen). Anyway AnyDVD HD, is like half of the cost of a new HDCP monitor, so go with the HDCP monitor, and go legal, rather using illegal stuff. Why pay over $100 for a software that removes AACS???????? While you can do it legally with HDCP!!!!

JeremyPiven · 04-24-2008, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srjj1

Most PC's need a dedicated hardware decoder (Radeon HD and Nivdia 8xxx), to play BD so you have HDCP for the hardware. I'll just go with a HDCP monitor, you can buy a 720p one for a small amount of money (1080p is a waste, the difference is so minor for small screens, not noticiable even on a 32 inch screen). Anyway AnyDVD HD, is like half of the cost of a new HDCP monitor, so go with the HDCP monitor, and go legal, rather using illegal stuff. Why pay over $100 for a software that removes AACS???????? While you can do it legally with HDCP!!!!

Yeah, and save yourself countless hours of ripping. New monitor FTW!

dewsphere · 04-25-2008, 08:09 AM

thank you for all the help. a new monitor would be nice but its out of my reach atm. i have a 22inch monitor that i got a year ago but it doesnt support hdcp and i didnt know what it was or cared back then. ill go with the anydvd for now. thanks again

MaleManGuy · 04-25-2008, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewsphere

im buying a blu ray drive and have been reading that some studios dont even require hdcp monitor to play movies. but ive also read that u do need it so im torn. if i get a blu ray drive, can i play movies on my non hdcp monitor?

I just installed an LG blu-ray player last night in to a new PC... hooked to an old Dell 20" widescreen LCD monitor. Maybe 3 or so years old. When I run PowerDVD and try to play a movie it gives me an HDCP error and tells me to switch to analogue... so I hook up an old 17" LCD monitor and it works. Is it the monitor that's giving me trouble? I have a new Asus nvidia 7600GT video card in the computer.

Jeff

Obiit · 04-25-2008, 07:34 PM

I think your outta luck there as the 7600GT isn't HDCP compliant and i doubt your monitor is either.

So unless you have the cash for a new one of each your gonna have to either stick to analog, take a visit to Slysoft or not watch blu on your PC !

As VGA is working for you can you hook this up to your Dell? If you can just use that

dadkins · 04-25-2008, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obiit

I think your outta luck there as the 7600GT isn't HDCP compliant and i doubt your monitor is either.

So unless you have the cash for a new one of each your gonna have to either stick to analog, take a visit to Slysoft or not watch blu on your PC !

As VGA is working for you can you hook this up to your Dell? If you can just use that

Uhm, what?
Many(most?) 7600 GT cards are HDCP compliant.

Even this laptop's GeForce Go 7600 GT is HDCP compliant.

MaleManGuy · 04-25-2008, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadkins

Uhm, what?
Many(most?) 7600 GT cards are HDCP compliant.

Even this laptop's GeForce Go 7600 GT is HDCP compliant.

Yeah... apparently not all 7xxx cards are compliant... I will have to look up my card.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2017
Gigabyte GV-NX76T256D-RH Silent Geforce 7600GT

Apparently is NOT HDCP compliant... muahahahaha. Damn it sucks to be me. I have two of them too. Ok, now it makes sense... and I only bought this thing a year ago if that. Looks like an 8xxx model is in order and I'll have a stockpile of video cards. hehe.

Jeff

MaleManGuy · 04-26-2008, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MaleManGuy

Yeah... apparently not all 7xxx cards are compliant... I will have to look up my card.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2017
Gigabyte GV-NX76T256D-RH Silent Geforce 7600GT

Apparently is NOT HDCP compliant... muahahahaha. Damn it sucks to be me. I have two of them too. Ok, now it makes sense... and I only bought this thing a year ago if that. Looks like an 8xxx model is in order and I'll have a stockpile of video cards. hehe.

Jeff

ooooo, nevermind.... I found an 8600GT on my shelf. How could I have forgotten about that???? I'm gonna give it a try... apparently all the 8xxx series support HDCP. Some Asus one with heat-piping... hope it holds up to torture

Obiit · 04-26-2008, 03:58 PM

When i looked when they first came out (and after i bought a non-compliant one

) almost all of the 7600 cards weren't compliant and depended totally on manufacturer. Perhaps they changed after that?

Anyhow the 8600 series are all HDCP compliant so a lucky find MaleManGuy - wish i found things like that on my shelves - all i have is MX400's !?

MaleManGuy · 04-27-2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obiit

When i looked when they first came out (and after i bought a non-compliant one

) almost all of the 7600 cards weren't compliant and depended totally on manufacturer. Perhaps they changed after that?

Anyhow the 8600 series are all HDCP compliant so a lucky find MaleManGuy - wish i found things like that on my shelves - all i have is MX400's !?

I STILL get the failed to initialize HDCP error... and I am using an Asus 8600GT which is supposed to support HDCP. Is it possible my Dell 2001 W monitor doesn't?

Jeff

JeremyPiven · 04-28-2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaleManGuy

I STILL get the failed to initialize HDCP error... and I am using an Asus 8600GT which is supposed to support HDCP. Is it possible my Dell 2001 W monitor doesn't?

Jeff

Correct. 2001 Dell WFP does not support HDCP.

MaleManGuy · 05-01-2008, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyPiven

Correct. 2001 Dell WFP does not support HDCP.

Okie dokie... so... I went out and bought a new monitor for it... now it works great. Picked up a Samsung 245BW (24" 1920 x 1200) wow, looks alright... altho not the best picture... it's fine for $369 CAN. It is surely HDCP compatible. Wow, what a pain. Stuff doesn't even have to be broken to warrant being replaced... what a freakin' industry

Jeff

U4K61 · 05-02-2008, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srjj1

(1080p is a waste, the difference is so minor for small screens, not noticiable even on a 32 inch screen).

I don't think I will trade down from a 1920x1200 monitor to 720p. It is more productive using a 1920x1200 WUXGA two page monitor over one having only 1024x768 XGA. It's a big time saver for me to be able to view a web page and a word app at the same time. Why open and close windows? Also, remember you are sitting much closer to a computer screen then a TV. It's that resolution/screen size/distance thing. Also, 1080p is best when we map 1:1.

dadkins · 05-02-2008, 03:51 PM

Yeah, it is a common mistake about screen resolution vs size and viewing distance.

From across the room, yeah - get a big ass display/HDTV.
Sitting at a computer, 1920x1200 17" screen(like this laptop at ~20" viewing distance) is ideal!

Can't beat having that realestate either!
Two browsers side by side, a browser and a video/TV picture running next to it, PLAYING A Blu-ray Disc...

MaleManGuy · 05-02-2008, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dadkins

Yeah, it is a common mistake about screen resolution vs size and viewing distance.

From across the room, yeah - get a big ass display/HDTV.
Sitting at a computer, 1920x1200 17" screen(like this laptop at ~20" viewing distance) is ideal!

Can't beat having that realestate either!
Two browsers side by side, a browser and a video/TV picture running next to it, PLAYING A Blu-ray Disc...

Yeah, I got a few computers in my office... the 24" monitor will be work related but I can play blu-ray movies on it now too.

04-23-2008, 10:19 PM	#1
dewsphere New Member Member since:Apr 2008	hdcp monitor still required? im buying a blu ray drive and have been reading that some studios dont even require hdcp monitor to play movies. but ive also read that u do need it so im torn. if i get a blu ray drive, can i play movies on my non hdcp monitor?

04-24-2008, 08:42 PM	#6
srjj1 Junior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray reviews:12	Hdcp Most PC's need a dedicated hardware decoder (Radeon HD and Nivdia 8xxx), to play BD so you have HDCP for the hardware. I'll just go with a HDCP monitor, you can buy a 720p one for a small amount of money (1080p is a waste, the difference is so minor for small screens, not noticiable even on a 32 inch screen). Anyway AnyDVD HD, is like half of the cost of a new HDCP monitor, so go with the HDCP monitor, and go legal, rather using illegal stuff. Why pay over $100 for a software that removes AACS???????? While you can do it legally with HDCP!!!!

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04-24-2008, 12:45 AM	#2
JeremyPiven Banned Member since:Apr 2008 Blu-ray reviews:3	It's a 2 fold situation. I know the following is true - Your monitor and video card MUST BE HDCP capable in order to play BD movies on your computer via HDMI/DVI. You can play them as well through VGA and not have to worry about HDCP on the monitor side. Best bet- get a used 2407/8 24" Wide screen Dell. HDCP compliant on the DVI/HDMI inputs. They are relatively cheap too.

04-24-2008, 01:03 AM	#3
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	I dont watch many movies via the pc, thats why the digital copies are useless to me. Thats another reason I havent gotten a bd drive for the pc

04-24-2008, 05:56 AM	#4
dewsphere New Member Member since:Apr 2008	i have a hdcp video card so thats not a problem. would getting a dvi to vga converter fix the problem?

04-25-2008, 08:09 AM	#8
dewsphere New Member Member since:Apr 2008	thank you for all the help. a new monitor would be nice but its out of my reach atm. i have a 22inch monitor that i got a year ago but it doesnt support hdcp and i didnt know what it was or cared back then. ill go with the anydvd for now. thanks again

04-25-2008, 07:34 PM	#10
Obiit Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Oldham, UK Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray reviews:1	I think your outta luck there as the 7600GT isn't HDCP compliant and i doubt your monitor is either. So unless you have the cash for a new one of each your gonna have to either stick to analog, take a visit to Slysoft or not watch blu on your PC ! As VGA is working for you can you hook this up to your Dell? If you can just use that

04-26-2008, 03:58 PM	#14
Obiit Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Oldham, UK Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray reviews:1	When i looked when they first came out (and after i bought a non-compliant one ) almost all of the 7600 cards weren't compliant and depended totally on manufacturer. Perhaps they changed after that? Anyhow the 8600 series are all HDCP compliant so a lucky find MaleManGuy - wish i found things like that on my shelves - all i have is MX400's !?

05-02-2008, 03:51 PM	#19
dadkins Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Hercules, CA Blu-ray collection:35 Blu-ray reviews:2	Yeah, it is a common mistake about screen resolution vs size and viewing distance. From across the room, yeah - get a big ass display/HDTV. Sitting at a computer, 1920x1200 17" screen(like this laptop at ~20" viewing distance) is ideal! Can't beat having that realestate either! Two browsers side by side, a browser and a video/TV picture running next to it, *PLAYING A Blu-ray Disc*...

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