EPIC hopes to screw gamers with DLC. - Blu-ray Forum

Leopold BUTTERS · 11-11-2008, 06:45 PM

Here is the link.

This is sooo stupid, all they want to do is cash in on the second hand market because developers make no money from it. Does Nissan make any money after i sell my car second hand? How about any housing company? How about anything??? No! I hope this fails big time. dumbest idea i have heard of so far with regards to DLC.

Chocolatejas · 11-11-2008, 06:48 PM

No thanks. I have bough very few games at full price.

ADRiiAN` · 11-11-2008, 06:49 PM

**** Epic Games.
UT3 was garbage.
GoW was the best game they ever made.

SDon1969 · 11-11-2008, 06:50 PM

I believe that Epic is already discouraging buying their games used. GOW2 came with 5 redone maps from the first game, available for free via a code you can redeem thru XBL. The code can only be used once. Therefore, whoever buys the game used will find that the codes are most likely used up. Their only option would be to pay for the DLC to get those 5 maps (unless I am wrong and they offer them for free, which seems doubtful).

aramis109 · 11-11-2008, 06:51 PM

It's just talk. MS and Sony would never let them do a thing like that for the negative press they'd get for it.

There are other ways to increase sales through DLC that don't encompass gimping the game for renters. He's just on a soap box.

Opips2 · 11-11-2008, 06:52 PM

DLC is biggest joke!!

Bluoholic · 11-11-2008, 06:52 PM

hehe, i read about it this morning. I don't know what these people are smoking but if gaming ever dies it will be because of developers and publishers and their greed. Like I need more reasons to mod my xbox.

Marine Mike · 11-11-2008, 06:53 PM

Sounds like they are making strides in ruining the console gaming industry.

Septimus Prime · 11-11-2008, 06:54 PM

I only buy games new, but f this. It's going to be pretty simple for me: any company to make a game like that I will stop buying all of its games.

Leopold BUTTERS · 11-11-2008, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDon1969

I believe that Epic is already discouraging buying their games used. GOW2 came with 5 redone maps from the first game, available for free via a code you can redeem thru XBL. The code can only be used once. Therefore, whoever buys the game used will find that the codes are most likely used up. Their only option would be to pay for the DLC to get those 5 maps (unless I am wrong and they offer them for free, which seems doubtful).

Well, if you buy a game used for 30 dollars, buy the map pack for 10 you still save 20 bucks so map packs are not really a big deal, neither is extra DLC but i mean, if they cut back on a game, and have the ending downloadable but if you buy the entire game new you get to download it for free, that would be sooo stupid.

Chocolatejas · 11-11-2008, 06:59 PM

and a waste of HD space.

Mikeblu · 11-11-2008, 06:59 PM

How many of us here like Epic anyway? but yeah this is just ridiculous.

stockstar1138 · 11-11-2008, 07:07 PM

industry backlash.

when you got major stores like gamestop encouraging gamers to purchase used games and a troubled economy where players are more likely to save a couple bucks and go used, EPIC has to create some sort of incentive for players to purchase NEW.

I disagree with their DLC incentive, but look in the future for more goodies to be bundled with pre-orders, limited special editions and "NEW" purchase incentives as ways for devs to avoid the shape the market has taken. I don't think this DLC idea will last or be accepted.

Septimus Prime · 11-11-2008, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

I don't think this DLC idea will last or be accepted.

I hope you're right, but I have a feeling that this stupid garbage might be acceptable to them unless we take a stand against it. Remember how stupid the idea of episodic gaming was back in the day? Well, they're doing that now, and it's still retarded.

hellmonkey · 11-11-2008, 07:21 PM

MS and all the 360 piracy is going to ruin the gaming industry.

Luis_A51 · 11-11-2008, 07:21 PM

Yeah they would face huge industry/consumer backlash for trying something like this.

Most of my games were bought new, but I do buy the occasional used game and I also occasionally sell a game I didnt like. No way would I ever put up with this crap.

Epic blows

air_max · 11-11-2008, 07:33 PM

hmm, spending time, resources, and thus money to limit the secondary market by implementing mandatory DLC for all but original purchasers, or using the same time, resources and thus money to make your game that much better, thus bringing in more of the primary market....

what a wise choice epic made there

DrewBlu · 11-11-2008, 07:34 PM

I support their decision, it's fair for the developer to put these restrictions on thier product. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It may also help to ease piracy.

PA_Kid · 11-11-2008, 07:34 PM

Not sure I completely disagree.

When it comes down to it we know the game market is much smaller than the movie market - and I'd wager a larger group of gamers partake of rentals, used games, and piracy than movie watchers do. So when 20 people play the same copy of the game from blockbuster instead of buying it, I'm sure it does seriously cut into their bottom line.

While the DLC thing seems odd I can see why the thought is there. Worse yet, imagine if they shipped each game with a DLC code and no DLC purchase at all - no renting or second hand sales period.

I wouldn't be surprised if we continue to see more things go the way of the MMO or downloadable games. Who cares how much Blizzard sells the WoW box for - first or second-hand, you still pay to get onto the server.

Lets be honest, there are lots of games that provide good entertainment for the money, but have limited replay value at best. If you like those and want to see them continue, you're probably going to need to fork out the cash to support them.

(I wouldn't be surprised to see someone wise up soon and make a game like Halo 4: Episode 1, and then sell additional "episodes" as DLC so that when all is done you paid ~60 for everything. That way you could get the benefit of the bulk of the game stored on the disc but it would still discourage/mitigate renting and used copies.)

Luis_A51 · 11-11-2008, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrewBlu

I support their decision, it's fair for the developer to put these restrictions on thier product. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It may also help to ease piracy.

Its one thing to protect their work by fighting piracy, its something completely different to cripple the secondary market.

I can guarantee that this would backfire
1) people could stop buying their games
2) hackers could start a vendetta against epic, and end up making the piracy situation even worse

11-11-2008, 06:45 PM	#1
Leopold BUTTERS Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:AB,Canada Blu-ray collection:93 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:1	EPIC hopes to screw gamers with DLC. Here is the link. This is sooo stupid, all they want to do is cash in on the second hand market because developers make no money from it. Does Nissan make any money after i sell my car second hand? How about any housing company? How about anything??? No! I hope this fails big time. dumbest idea i have heard of so far with regards to DLC.

11-11-2008, 06:49 PM	#3
ADRiiAN` Special Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:113	**** Epic Games. UT3 was garbage. GoW was the best game they ever made. Last edited by Shin-Ra; 11-12-2008 at 04:00 AM. Reason: censor bypass

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11-11-2008, 06:48 PM	#2
Chocolatejas Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2008 Location:NH Blu-ray collection:118 Trading Score:15	No thanks. I have bough very few games at full price.

11-11-2008, 06:50 PM	#4
SDon1969 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Massachusetts Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray collection:745 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I believe that Epic is already discouraging buying their games used. GOW2 came with 5 redone maps from the first game, available for free via a code you can redeem thru XBL. The code can only be used once. Therefore, whoever buys the game used will find that the codes are most likely used up. Their only option would be to pay for the DLC to get those 5 maps (unless I am wrong and they offer them for free, which seems doubtful).

11-11-2008, 06:51 PM	#5
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	It's just talk. MS and Sony would never let them do a thing like that for the negative press they'd get for it. There are other ways to increase sales through DLC that don't encompass gimping the game for renters. He's just on a soap box.

11-11-2008, 06:52 PM	#6
Opips2 Special Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Edmonton, AB Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:175 Blu-ray reviews:10 Trading Score:1	DLC is biggest joke!!

11-11-2008, 06:52 PM	#7
Bluoholic Expert Member Member since:Dec 2007 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:482 Trading Score:1	hehe, i read about it this morning. I don't know what these people are smoking but if gaming ever dies it will be because of developers and publishers and their greed. Like I need more reasons to mod my xbox.

11-11-2008, 06:53 PM	#8
Marine Mike The Busey Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Ohio Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray collection:120 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:4	Sounds like they are making strides in ruining the console gaming industry.

11-11-2008, 06:54 PM	#9
Septimus Prime Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:164 Trading Score:2	I only buy games new, but f this. It's going to be pretty simple for me: any company to make a game like that I will stop buying all of its games.

11-11-2008, 06:59 PM	#11
Chocolatejas Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2008 Location:NH Blu-ray collection:118 Trading Score:15	and a waste of HD space.

11-11-2008, 06:59 PM	#12
Mikeblu Special Member Member since:Oct 2007 Trading Score:1	How many of us here like Epic anyway? but yeah this is just ridiculous.

11-11-2008, 07:07 PM	#13
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	industry backlash. when you got major stores like gamestop encouraging gamers to purchase used games and a troubled economy where players are more likely to save a couple bucks and go used, EPIC has to create some sort of incentive for players to purchase NEW. I disagree with their DLC incentive, but look in the future for more goodies to be bundled with pre-orders, limited special editions and "NEW" purchase incentives as ways for devs to avoid the shape the market has taken. I don't think this DLC idea will last or be accepted.

11-11-2008, 07:21 PM	#15
hellmonkey Power Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Chicago, IL	MS and all the 360 piracy is going to ruin the gaming industry.

11-11-2008, 07:21 PM	#16
Luis_A51 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Calgary, AB Blu-ray reviews:4	Yeah they would face huge industry/consumer backlash for trying something like this. Most of my games were bought new, but I do buy the occasional used game and I also occasionally sell a game I didnt like. No way would I ever put up with this crap. Epic blows

11-11-2008, 07:33 PM	#17
air_max Special Member Member since:Jan 2008	hmm, spending time, resources, and thus money to limit the secondary market by implementing mandatory DLC for all but original purchasers, or using the same time, resources and thus money to make your game that much better, thus bringing in more of the primary market.... what a wise choice epic made there

11-11-2008, 07:34 PM	#18
DrewBlu Member Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray collection:144 Blu-ray reviews:4	I support their decision, it's fair for the developer to put these restrictions on thier product. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It may also help to ease piracy.

11-11-2008, 07:34 PM	#19
PA_Kid Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX	Not sure I completely disagree. When it comes down to it we know the game market is much smaller than the movie market - and I'd wager a larger group of gamers partake of rentals, used games, and piracy than movie watchers do. So when 20 people play the same copy of the game from blockbuster instead of buying it, I'm sure it does seriously cut into their bottom line. While the DLC thing seems odd I can see why the thought is there. Worse yet, imagine if they shipped each game with a DLC code and no DLC purchase at all - no renting or second hand sales period. I wouldn't be surprised if we continue to see more things go the way of the MMO or downloadable games. Who cares how much Blizzard sells the WoW box for - first or second-hand, you still pay to get onto the server. Lets be honest, there are lots of games that provide good entertainment for the money, but have limited replay value at best. If you like those and want to see them continue, you're probably going to need to fork out the cash to support them. (I wouldn't be surprised to see someone wise up soon and make a game like Halo 4: Episode 1, and then sell additional "episodes" as DLC so that when all is done you paid ~60 for everything. That way you could get the benefit of the bulk of the game stored on the disc but it would still discourage/mitigate renting and used copies.)

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