Need to settle an argument - Blu-ray Forum

TonyDanzaRulz · 01-03-2009, 02:37 AM

I currently do not own and hdtv but I still buy blu-rays every chance I get, so that when I do upgrade I will be prepared, I live with someone who has a Sharp 1080p 46" LCD HDTV, that plays the blu's at 1080p, 24hz, at least that what it says, Well the argument is, this kids friend was telling me that blu-ray is for people who dont know what they are talking about, he says it doesnt look any different froma remastered dvd, or upconverted dvd's, he says a DVD and Blu-ray have the same "visual" movie on them just the blu holds more data, He says that the way movies are shot 35mm, or I think he said 75mm film is the reason for the DVD and the BLU looking the same, Im sorry if this doesnt make sense, but I need some EXPERT input i know a good amount but not the technical aspects of everything, any help would be grealty appreciated, thanks

jhoffs_cb7 · 01-03-2009, 02:39 AM

i will tell you for a fact that upconverts suck
i upconvert to 1080p and my pq sucks, its grainy and makes me mad

i am hoping when i get a blu this is gonna clear up

Darko · 01-03-2009, 02:43 AM

You can and will be able to tell a difference. Once you watch a few Blu's you will never want to watch a dvd, up-converted or not again. I hate watching my dvd's now and only do so if I have no other choice.

hendra · 01-03-2009, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyDanzaRulz

this kids friend was telling me that blu-ray is for people who dont know what they are talking about, he says it doesnt look any different froma remastered dvd, or upconverted dvd's, he says a DVD and Blu-ray have the same "visual" movie on them just the blu holds more data, He says that the way movies are shot 35mm, or I think he said 75mm film is the reason for the DVD and the BLU looking the same

If the movies are properly transferred to Blu-ray, the difference should be very obvious. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...98#post1335698

TonyDanzaRulz · 01-03-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hendra

If the movies are properly transferred to Blu-ray, the difference should be very obvious. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...98#post1335698

Thanks for that link that really helped a lot Im gonna save that and show him later

aramis109 · 01-03-2009, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyDanzaRulz

I currently do not own and hdtv but I still buy blu-rays every chance I get, so that when I do upgrade I will be prepared, I live with someone who has a Sharp 1080p 46" LCD HDTV, that plays the blu's at 1080p, 24hz, at least that what it says, Well the argument is, this kids friend was telling me that blu-ray is for people who dont know what they are talking about, he says it doesnt look any different froma remastered dvd, or upconverted dvd's, he says a DVD and Blu-ray have the same "visual" movie on them just the blu holds more data, He says that the way movies are shot 35mm, or I think he said 75mm film is the reason for the DVD and the BLU looking the same, Im sorry if this doesnt make sense, but I need some EXPERT input i know a good amount but not the technical aspects of everything, any help would be grealty appreciated, thanks

As far as film- 35, 75mm or whatever... film typically has a much higher potential for resolution than the limitations of DVD or even blu-ray. DVD is 480, and BD is 1080. However, there have been 8k (as in 8000) resolution scans of film, with technology currently holding us back, not the limitations of film.

Your buddies' friend doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Film has more headroom than anything currently, and Blu-ray currently makes the most that is capable in the home media environment.

crazyBLUE · 01-03-2009, 03:10 AM

Major difference between the two !!!

Geezer00003 · 01-03-2009, 03:11 AM

Argument is over!
Blu Ray is simply better over any DVD, upconverted or not.

I wish people the world over would just grow a brain.
I mean that on so many levels, sorry but I'll not elaborate

TonyDanzaRulz · 01-03-2009, 03:17 AM

What would be the best movie to play for him on blu-ray to show him the difference, I own, HULK, TDK, CARS, Bucket List, Step Borthers, Nightmare before Christmas, Horton Hears a who, Tropic Thunder, any of those show a big enough difference to undeniably admit that BLU is KING!?

JasonR · 01-03-2009, 03:17 AM

Show him Cars, he will change his mind pretty quick...

And it definitely is not the same data on both disks. He is just flat out wrong.

JasonR · 01-03-2009, 03:19 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhEjtjSPlt4

Click "Watch in HD" in the right hand corner to see the difference...

TonyDanzaRulz · 01-03-2009, 03:23 AM

I will when I get home, IM at work right now and youtube is out of commision, DAMN WEBSENSE!

andyman1970 · 01-03-2009, 03:26 AM

Any of the animated movies you listed would be great to show him since they typically look better anyway and you can really see the difference. As for a live action movie go with the Hulk or The Dark Knight.

And one other thing, make sure you explain to him that it's not just the picture that is in HD but the audio as well and the sound will blow him away on even a mediocre surround system.

JasonR · 01-03-2009, 03:27 AM

I snapped one of the shots off of that video for you...

jsteinhauer · 01-03-2009, 03:32 PM

Although the above post doesn't necessarily mean anything, since it could have been doctored, anyone who owns a BD and DVD copy of a quality movie and a display big enough to make a difference should attest to the superior video quality BD.

Then consider how many movies a shot in high defnition video to begin with these days. It would take a moron to assume that downconverting a 1080p/24 source to 480i/60 would be just as good. There are some incredibly beautiful movies recorded digitally in HD. Youth Without Youth, The Other Boleyn Girl, for example. Movies like this where the visuals are more important than the action or the audio are likely to have a strong impact.

Getting back to the 24p issue, show your friend some slow pans from a 24p BD movie and compare the same scene to a DVD. He'll never be able to watch judder without losing his lunch again.

bassbone57 · 01-03-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyDanzaRulz

What would be the best movie to play for him on blu-ray to show him the difference, I own, HULK, TDK, CARS, Bucket List, Step Borthers, Nightmare before Christmas, Horton Hears a who, Tropic Thunder, any of those show a big enough difference to undeniably admit that BLU is KING!?

Horton Hears a Who has amazing PQ (as do others on your list). If I had to pick from those, I'd pick HHAW personally.

-K

HAMP · 01-03-2009, 05:36 PM

You have to take something else into consideration, Some people simply can't see that well.

Quick story:

A friend of mine had brought over a female friend of his. I wanted to show my friend a clip of Transformer's from my PS3 and to show him how clear HDTV is.

The movie was just showing at the theaters around this time.

The girl stated and swore that she had a copy of the movie and it was just as clear as the clip I downloaded from the PS3 server.

She had a bootleg copy that someone copied with a camera in the theater.

At that point I didn't want to call her stupid, but I figured she was just simply BLIND ! ! !

I think you should just tell your friend that there is a difference, and you feel sorry for him that he can't experince quailty because of his bad vision!

sendmorebrains · 01-03-2009, 06:29 PM

There is a world of difference -

Blu R will have higher quality pic wise and sound wise.

HD-DVD will look and sound but hey thats gone by the wayside.

So if your so convinced that BluR makes no difference stay with what your happy with !

Jude

gandley · 01-07-2009, 05:47 PM

Fist > Nose = Argument won

thelegend69697 · 01-07-2009, 06:08 PM

Sounds to me like your friend doesn't have a HDtv and has convinced himself that blu-ray isn't any better cause he's jealous.

01-03-2009, 02:37 AM	#1
TonyDanzaRulz Banned Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Saratoga, NY	Need to settle an argument I currently do not own and hdtv but I still buy blu-rays every chance I get, so that when I do upgrade I will be prepared, I live with someone who has a Sharp 1080p 46" LCD HDTV, that plays the blu's at 1080p, 24hz, at least that what it says, Well the argument is, this kids friend was telling me that blu-ray is for people who dont know what they are talking about, he says it doesnt look any different froma remastered dvd, or upconverted dvd's, he says a DVD and Blu-ray have the same "visual" movie on them just the blu holds more data, He says that the way movies are shot 35mm, or I think he said 75mm film is the reason for the DVD and the BLU looking the same, Im sorry if this doesnt make sense, but I need some EXPERT input i know a good amount but not the technical aspects of everything, any help would be grealty appreciated, thanks

01-03-2009, 03:26 AM	#13
andyman1970 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Birmingham, Alabama, USA DVD collection:9 Blu-ray reviews: 45 Trading Score:7	Any of the animated movies you listed would be great to show him since they typically look better anyway and you can really see the difference. As for a live action movie go with the Hulk or The Dark Knight. And one other thing, make sure you explain to him that it's not just the picture that is in HD but the audio as well and the sound will blow him away on even a mediocre surround system. Last edited by andyman1970; 01-03-2009 at 03:28 AM.

01-03-2009, 06:29 PM	#18
sendmorebrains Member Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Toronto	BluR quality There is a world of difference - Blu R will have higher quality pic wise and sound wise. HD-DVD will look and sound but hey thats gone by the wayside. So if your so convinced that BluR makes no difference stay with what your happy with ! Jude

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01-03-2009, 02:39 AM	#2
jhoffs_cb7 Active Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Dub, Ia	i will tell you for a fact that upconverts suck i upconvert to 1080p and my pq sucks, its grainy and makes me mad i am hoping when i get a blu this is gonna clear up

01-03-2009, 02:43 AM	#3
Darko Active Member Member since:Feb 2008 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:1063	You can and will be able to tell a difference. Once you watch a few Blu's you will never want to watch a dvd, up-converted or not again. I hate watching my dvd's now and only do so if I have no other choice.

01-03-2009, 03:10 AM	#7
crazyBLUE Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Pacific Northwest Home Theater Gallery:89 Blu-ray collection:479 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 38 Trading Score:30	Major difference between the two !!!

01-03-2009, 03:11 AM	#8
Geezer00003 Senior Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Dec 2008 Location:GTA Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:12 4K collection:207 Blu-ray collection:669	Argument is over! Blu Ray is simply better over any DVD, upconverted or not. I wish people the world over would just grow a brain. I mean that on so many levels, sorry but I'll not elaborate

01-03-2009, 03:17 AM	#9
TonyDanzaRulz Banned Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Saratoga, NY	What would be the best movie to play for him on blu-ray to show him the difference, I own, HULK, TDK, CARS, Bucket List, Step Borthers, Nightmare before Christmas, Horton Hears a who, Tropic Thunder, any of those show a big enough difference to undeniably admit that BLU is KING!?

01-03-2009, 03:17 AM	#10
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	Show him Cars, he will change his mind pretty quick... And it definitely is not the same data on both disks. He is just flat out wrong.

01-03-2009, 03:19 AM	#11
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhEjtjSPlt4 Click "Watch in HD" in the right hand corner to see the difference...

01-03-2009, 03:23 AM	#12
TonyDanzaRulz Banned Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Saratoga, NY	I will when I get home, IM at work right now and youtube is out of commision, DAMN WEBSENSE!

01-03-2009, 03:27 AM	#14
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	I snapped one of the shots off of that video for you...

01-03-2009, 03:32 PM	#15
jsteinhauer Gaming Moderator Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:120 Trading Score:66	Although the above post doesn't necessarily mean anything, since it could have been doctored, anyone who owns a BD and DVD copy of a quality movie and a display big enough to make a difference should attest to the superior video quality BD. Then consider how many movies a shot in high defnition video to begin with these days. It would take a moron to assume that downconverting a 1080p/24 source to 480i/60 would be just as good. There are some incredibly beautiful movies recorded digitally in HD. Youth Without Youth, The Other Boleyn Girl, for example. Movies like this where the visuals are more important than the action or the audio are likely to have a strong impact. Getting back to the 24p issue, show your friend some slow pans from a 24p BD movie and compare the same scene to a DVD. He'll never be able to watch judder without losing his lunch again.

01-03-2009, 05:36 PM	#17
HAMP Banned Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Michigan Home Theater Gallery:13 Blu-ray collection:272 Trading Score:1	You have to take something else into consideration, Some people simply can't see that well. Quick story: A friend of mine had brought over a female friend of his. I wanted to show my friend a clip of Transformer's from my PS3 and to show him how clear HDTV is. The movie was just showing at the theaters around this time. The girl stated and swore that she had a copy of the movie and it was just as clear as the clip I downloaded from the PS3 server. She had a bootleg copy that someone copied with a camera in the theater. At that point I didn't want to call her stupid, but I figured she was just simply BLIND ! ! ! I think you should just tell your friend that there is a difference, and you feel sorry for him that he can't experince quailty because of his bad vision!

01-07-2009, 05:47 PM	#19
gandley Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:The Drowning Pool	Fist > Nose = Argument won

01-07-2009, 06:08 PM	#20
thelegend69697 Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Edmonton, AB, Canada 4K collection:74 Blu-ray collection:536 DVD collection:17	Sounds to me like your friend doesn't have a HDtv and has convinced himself that blu-ray isn't any better cause he's jealous.

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