List of 70mm films on Bluray?

[Uberbot]

I've read over threads on bluray releases shot with HD cameras. However, the best picture I have seen are from releases like Baraka and some Dark Knight scenes shot in 70mm. I was surprised that blu-raystats.com has no such stats listed. Is there any reference source available for 70mm films?

[naturephoto1]

I am sure that there should be somewhere. But, 2001 is one of the best known and older films of which I am aware.

Rich

[AintNoSin]

Here is a list of films produced in the West using 70mm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_70_mm_films

The ones out on Blu (or coming soon):

South Pacific
Battle of the Bulge
2001: A Space Odyssey
Patton
Baraka

Films partially shot in 70mm on Blu:
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (effects shots)
Blade Runner (effects shots)

The Dark Knight was partially shot on IMAX cameras, which use 70mm film stock but is considered a different format.

[Dubstar]

I'd love to kick the nuts of the person who's in charge of decisions of WBHV - I seriousily want

- Mutiny on the Bounty
- My Fair Lady
- Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet

Fox also needs to deliver the goods, just not DNR it to death like Patton

[Uberbot]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Here is a list of films produced in the West using 70mm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_70_mm_films

The ones out on Blu (or coming soon):

South Pacific
Battle of the Bulge
2001: A Space Odyssey
Patton
Baraka

Films partially shot in 70mm on Blu:
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (effects shots)
Blade Runner (effects shots)

The Dark Knight was partially shot on IMAX cameras, which use 70mm film stock but is considered a different format.

Thank you! I knew there had to be a list! Now I only wish I were more of a fan of the classic films.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Uberbot

Thank you! I knew there had to be a list! Now I only wish I were more of a fan of the classic films.

For 70mm, you almost have to be because it is so rarely used today. The format's heydey was the 1960s.

There are a few 70mm films that absolute scream for BD releases:

Ben Hur
Lawrence of Arabia
West Side Story
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World - (assuming they do a proper restoration).
Grand Prix
Hamlet (Branagh)

[Uberbot]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

For 70mm, you almost have to be because it is so rarely used today. The format's heydey was the 1960s.

You would think with the HD revolution that filmmakers would start to rediscover 70mm. The level of texture and clarity is vastly superior.

I've heard Nolan wants to film the next Batman movie 100% IMAX.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

For 70mm, you almost have to be because it is so rarely used today. The format's heydey was the 1960s.

There are a few 70mm films that absolute scream for BD releases:

Ben Hur
Lawrence of Arabia
West Side Story
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World - (assuming they do a proper restoration).
Grand Prix
Hamlet (Branagh)

The HDNet Movies broadcast of these looked stunning

doh! how could I have forgotten Grand Prix - another HD-DVD only release from Warners that needs a bluray release.

Originally Posted by Uberbot

You would think with the HD revolution that filmmakers would start to rediscover 70mm. The level of texture and clarity is vastly superior.

I've heard Nolan wants to film the next Batman movie 100% IMAX.

given how much money Warner's made from The Dark Knight - fronting the budget to do a complete feature length film in IMAX is not out of the question. If not IMAX, at least bring back actual filming with 65mm cameras/film. With the success of the IMAX editions of TDK, Bay has filmed select scenes with IMAX cameras for Transformers 2. IMAX is traditionally much more expensive than 35mm, however the middle ground with 70mm cameras makes much more sense.

Given how much acclaim the bluray edition of Baraka is getting, you'd think the release of more 70mm films on bluray would be coming down the pipeline. (fingers crossed) Speaking of Ron Fricke, if you don't know this already his next 70mm opus is coming out sometime this year, Samsara.

[Lyle_JP]

I'm surprised that shooting in Iwerks never took off. Iwerks, like traditional "70mm photography", uses 65mm fed vertically through a camera, but it uses 8 sprocket holes instead of 5, yielding 60% more film real estate and an aspect ratio of about 1.39:1 (very close to IMAX's 1.44:1). It would blow up to IMAX much better than Super35 or even anamorphic 35. And it could be contact-printed directly to 70mm instead of being optically enlarged or reduced, yielding fantastic looking 70mm prints for non-IMAX engagements. Finally, it would be twice as cheap to shoot with it versus IMAX.

[Pirate King]

I have a couple of questions, because I do not fully understand. I do know the difference between 70mm and 35mm and the advantages of 70mm. However, here is my questions...

Sleeping Beauty, was filmed in 35mm but there were 70mm prints... How does that affect the PQ?

Also, films like Becket, (Filmed in 35mm) also had what they call 70mm blow up prints..

And yes yes yes, lets have a Blu of Its a Mad Mad Mad Mad World, the complete 192 min original version.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by Pirate King

Sleeping Beauty, was filmed in 35mm but there were 70mm prints... How does that affect the PQ?

Well, "filmed" in 35mm doesn't tell the whole story. It was photographed onto Black and White VistaVision film (which is 35mm fed sideways through the camera) with an anamorphic lens and with each frame being shot three times through filters; once for blue, red, and and green. So while the negatives are technically 35mm, they're not anything that could be "watched" through a projector.

Originally Posted by Pirate King

Also, films like Becket, (Filmed in 35mm) also had what they call 70mm blow up prints..

This was common until the early 90s. Before the wide acceptance of digital sound, 70mm was the only way to experience 6-channel sound (in either 4.2 or 5.1 channel configurations). DTS and Dolby Digital put an end to blowing up 35mm to 70mm.

[Pirate King]

Thanks Lyle JP.... I am always pleased to learn something.

Hopefully some of those classic films will be on Blu soon

[ajmrowland]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

DTS and Dolby Digital put an end to blowing up 35mm to 70mm.

Well, at least until Warner started blowing up their films for IMAX.

[amtctt]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

I'd love to kick the nuts of the person who's in charge of decisions of WBHV - I seriousily want

- Mutiny on the Bounty
- My Fair Lady
- Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet

Fox also needs to deliver the goods, just not DNR it to death like Patton

It's stupid that Hamlet isn't on blu. i think WB owns that, but can't remember, and they had announced that the blu was coming out day/date with the DVD like 2 years ago. So lame.

[ajmrowland]

Originally Posted by amtctt

It's stupid that Hamlet isn't on blu. i think WB owns that, but can't remember, and they had announced that the blu was coming out day/date with the DVD like 2 years ago. So lame.

Studios do that. There was word of a 2-disc Lilo and Stitch DVD 6 years ago,and once again in Jan. 04, and Disney held it off until now, with the release coinciding with Bolt. I hate when you're left hanging with no info, whatsoever.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by ajmrowland

Studios do that. There was word of a 2-disc Lilo and Stitch DVD 6 years ago,and once again in Jan. 04, and Disney held it off until now, with the release coinciding with Bolt. I hate when you're left hanging with no info, whatsoever.

Actually, they released that 2-disc SE. But only in PAL regions 2 and 4. It's not surprising that Disney held off releasing it here. Te documentary is very in depth and detailed, but weird. It's really just a cutting together of candid interview stuff (shot very amateur style) and lots of "fly on the wall" type footage. Very adult in its appeal. I think it would put most kids to sleep.

[ajmrowland]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

Actually, they released that 2-disc SE. But only in PAL regions 2 and 4. It's not surprising that Disney held off releasing it here. Te documentary is very in depth and detailed, but weird. It's really just a cutting together of candid interview stuff (shot very amateur style) and lots of "fly on the wall" type footage. Very adult in its appeal. I think it would put most kids to sleep.

Documentaries are not meant for kids, they're meant for film and animation fans. And there was a 20 min. version on the Region 1 single disc DVD that I haven't seen in a while. Usually, I prefer the Pixar stuff from Toy Story through Finding Nemo, but I know not to always expect the informative-but-fun atmosphere that they conveyed so masterfully. I'm just lamenting here. I can watch all sorts of bonus docs and appreciate them.

[Bobby Henderson]

Tron would look great on Blu-ray, provided Disney took proper care of the original 65mm camera elements and other materials over the last 26 years. Disney just needs to get the imagery into the digital realm using very high quality (and expensive) methods to get the best results.

Far and Away also has some great potential.

I'm really hoping the revealing qualities of Blu-ray pushes Hollywood studios back into filming major movie projects in 70mm format (65mm negatives, 70mm prints). This approach would be so much better with those IMAX blow up prints. Giant screened traditional movie theaters could get back into using 5-perf 70mm projectors and throw images with quality no digital projector could touch. And the finished home video product on Blu-ray would look fantastic.

Originally Posted by Pirate King

Sleeping Beauty, was filmed in 35mm but there were 70mm prints... How does that affect the PQ?

To answer this a little more clearly, standard 35mm film frames are 4 perforations tall. The film is drawn vertically through the camera and projector. The Technirama format is an anamorphic off-shoot of VistaVision. The 35mm film frame is 8 perforations across, twice the image area of standard 35mm film frames and just a little smaller than the image area provided by 5-perf 70mm. The film is drawn horizontally through the camera.

Very few theaters ever installed VistaVision-based projectors. The Technirama format commonly used an optical printer setup to transfer the larger format image over to 5-perf 70mm film. Sometimes you would see the "filmed in Super Technirama 70" thing on movies like Spartacus.

Originally Posted by Lyle JP

DTS and Dolby Digital put an end to blowing up 35mm to 70mm.

Can't hang the blame of it on DTS. Dolby and Sony didn't bother to develop 70mm versions of their Dolby Digital and SDDS sound on film systems.

DTS did create a 70mm version of its process. DTS not only accommodated standard 5-perf 70mm, it also supported all the 70mm special venue processes too -like Iwerks 870, IMAX, etc. The theatrical version of DTS places a time code on the film strip rather than digital audio data. The time code synchronizes CD-ROM discs (or in the case of the new DTS-XD10 processor, digital data on the hard disc in the system).

Current OSHA and EPA laws, not to mention high cost, make it all but impossible to create new 70mm prints with magnetic sound tracks. Most of the special 5-perf 70mm prints created over the last decade for classic movies have been 70mm DTS. That includes movies like Patton and Lawrence of Arabia.

Originally Posted by amtctt

It's stupid that Hamlet isn't on blu.

Kenneth Branagh's version of Hamlet wasn't exactly a big hit, even though it was a good movie. Not everyone wants to sit through a 4 hour long movie version of a classic stage play.

I'm willing to wait for Sony to do a proper high resolution scan of the 65mm camera elements and digital intermediate treatment when it is practical enough to do so. I would much rather see a movie studio take its time to author a movie to Blu-ray in the best manner possible rather than just see them rush out a half-baked transfer merely to get the movie on the store shelves.

That kind of film source really needs 6K or 8K scanning and DI, which isn't cheap to do right now. Computer technology is continuing to improve at a very steady pace and that will lower the costs of treating 70mm-produed movies correctly.

[mnfish]

The Imax Ultimate collection would be cool on BD but how expensive would that be??

[Eagle_23]

Anyone know what Apocalypto was shot with. Now that is one beautiful movie.

Never mind, found the answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypto#Filming

Anyways I just have to say this BD has best PQ I've ever seen.