Superman Returns question - Blu-ray Forum

gregr209 · 01-15-2009, 07:56 PM

Hi all,

I am new to the forum and to blue-ray. I recently (just today) got from Netflix Superman Returns (a favorite of mine). I put it in and couldn't wait to see the Blue-ray goodness...wow was I shocked!!!! The picture wasn't as clear as I thought it would be. In the flying logo opening you could see jagged lines in the text and in several shots when Ma Kent is in the kitchen as Supes returns to Earth there is a lot of grain in the picture as well in several other places in the beginning of the film.

So my question is, are there 2 different verisons of Superman Returns in Blue-Ray? Could the poor quality be that I good one of the first releases from Netflix?

My player is fine, I just got Wall-E from Netflix and wow was totally impressed. In fact that is one I will buy just to show off to friends how great Blue-ray is...also 2001 is freaking awesome on my player as well.

Anyone with insight to this Superman Returns question please let me know.

Thanks in advance!
Greg

kpkelley · 01-15-2009, 08:04 PM

There are two different versions of Superman Returns however the video encode is the same on both. The film is supposed to be reminiscient of older films, and softer in style. That being said the issues that you mention usually point to settings in the television rather than the disc. Make sure that you turn down the sharpness setting in your player as it could be adding those jaggies and digital noise.

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Another_Dude · 01-15-2009, 08:32 PM

Not that it matters for the video, but what are the audio codec options on the disc you have?

I'm curious which version of the movie that Netflix is shipping.

ZatoichiX1 · 01-15-2009, 09:00 PM

I just got Superman Returns on Blu-Ray and it is indeed the re-issued disc with TrueHD Dolby and PCM audio. At first I noticed picture quality was not up to the standards I've come to expect from blu-ray, but I did play with my TV adjustments and got a nicer, crisper picture. So definitely play with your TV settings

tigtat77 · 01-15-2009, 09:12 PM

I've been trying to find this in stores and can not seem to find it anywhere in San Diego.

gregr209 · 01-15-2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

Not that it matters for the video, but what are the audio codec options on the disc you have?

I'm curious which version of the movie that Netflix is shipping.

It is weird the film starts right up. There isn't a menu. There isn't an option for sound just languages. Maybe that is the way it is suppose to be. The sound option just shows (when I push the audio button on my remote) Multichan 1, 2, and or 3...english, spanish, and french.

Greg

Kynch · 01-15-2009, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregr209

It is weird the film starts right up. There isn't a menu. There isn't an option for sound just languages. Maybe that is the way it is suppose to be. The sound option just shows (when I push the audio button on my remote) Multichan 1, 2, and or 3...english, spanish, and french.

Greg

That's how all Warner titles are, they start off with the movie directly.

I have a question... how do you know which version you're buying (if it's online of course)? What I mean to ask is when was the re-release issued?

tacoreed · 01-15-2009, 09:48 PM

My question is.....why did this movie suck so bad? Kevin Spacey was a great Lex.

shadow72 · 01-15-2009, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregr209

Hi all,

I am new to the forum and to blue-ray. I recently (just today) got from Netflix Superman Returns (a favorite of mine). I put it in and couldn't wait to see the Blue-ray goodness...wow was I shocked!!!! The picture wasn't as clear as I thought it would be. In the flying logo opening you could see jagged lines in the text and in several shots when Ma Kent is in the kitchen as Supes returns to Earth there is a lot of grain in the picture as well in several other places in the beginning of the film.

So my question is, are there 2 different verisons of Superman Returns in Blue-Ray? Could the poor quality be that I good one of the first releases from Netflix?

My player is fine, I just got Wall-E from Netflix and wow was totally impressed. In fact that is one I will buy just to show off to friends how great Blue-ray is...also 2001 is freaking awesome on my player as well.

Anyone with insight to this Superman Returns question please let me know.

Thanks in advance!
Greg

I have this movie with the TrueHD and PCM and it looks and sounds awesome. If your other movies look "fine", I'd say it's the disc.

shadow72 · 01-15-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigtat77

I've been trying to find this in stores and can not seem to find it anywhere in San Diego.

I couldn't find this movie at any store I searched, and ended up ordering on-line. That's your best bet.

Che · 01-15-2009, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow72

I couldn't find this movie at any store I searched, and ended up ordering on-line. That's your best bet.

Is there a sure fire store to get it from?

shadow72 · 01-15-2009, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Che

Is there a sure fire store to get it from?

I ordered my copy from Warner Bros. Online. Here's link:

http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/....jsp?OID=50393

shadow72 · 01-15-2009, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Che

Is there a sure fire store to get it from?

Che, you might check out this link on "our" forum if you plan on buying the movie from Warner Bros., it's worth a shot

:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=80989

SumSuperman · 01-15-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigtat77

I've been trying to find this in stores and can not seem to find it anywhere in San Diego.

tigtat77, I don't know where you live, but they had it at the Best Buy in Mira Mesa. I checked the back of the copies they had in stock and they had the new version with TrueHD. Of course, the price is $29.99, so it depends on if you want to pay that much.

Blu As Hell · 01-15-2009, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregr209

Hi all,

I am new to the forum and to blue-ray. I recently (just today) got from Netflix Superman Returns (a favorite of mine). I put it in and couldn't wait to see the Blue-ray goodness...wow was I shocked!!!! The picture wasn't as clear as I thought it would be. In the flying logo opening you could see jagged lines in the text and in several shots when Ma Kent is in the kitchen as Supes returns to Earth there is a lot of grain in the picture as well in several other places in the beginning of the film.

So my question is, are there 2 different verisons of Superman Returns in Blue-Ray? Could the poor quality be that I good one of the first releases from Netflix?

My player is fine, I just got Wall-E from Netflix and wow was totally impressed. In fact that is one I will buy just to show off to friends how great Blue-ray is...also 2001 is freaking awesome on my player as well.

Anyone with insight to this Superman Returns question please let me know.

Thanks in advance!
Greg

Well there's a couple of reasons it looks the way it does, number 1 it was filmed to simulate the look of the original Superman, so it was filmed "soft". Number 2, it is hampered by not being an optimized for Blu-ray encode, it's actually a bitstarved HD DVD encode ported over to the Blu-ray. Number 3, it suffers from some DNR as well. But hey, if you've ever seen the standard DVD of it you'll thank God you have the Blu-ray.

Che · 01-15-2009, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow72

Che, you might check out this link on "our" forum if you plan on buying the movie from Warner Bros., it's worth a shot

:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=80989

You know I always was hesitant about ordering from them, being afraid I'd get the DD 5.1 version and all. And I have either been completely blind and ignorant or they have recently changed the listing of Superman Returns info to include (True HD Audio) next to it when you are viewing the title. So I ended up getting that, Tango & Cash plus American History X for roughly $54. Not bad. Plus their pre-order shipping is always A+.........Thanks all.

shadow72 · 01-16-2009, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Che

You know I always was hesitant about ordering from them, being afraid I'd get the DD 5.1 version and all. And I have either been completely blind and ignorant or they have recently changed the listing of Superman Returns info to include (True HD Audio) next to it when you are viewing the title. So I ended up getting that, Tango & Cash plus American History X for roughly $54. Not bad. Plus their pre-order shipping is always A+.........Thanks all.

Hope my info helped a little. Enjoy....

ajmrowland · 01-16-2009, 04:58 AM

You need an HDMI cable, stat!

Believe me, I started out the same way.

Okay, scratch that.

What size/type of tv do u have, and have you ever changed the picture settings since it was taken out of the box? If so, it might be the disc, because My HD DVD version has no grain(using the same transfer).

Bitrates never mattered between the two formats.

dadkins · 01-16-2009, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmrowland

Bitrates never mattered between the two formats.

Well, yeah! They're the same bitrates, the same encode.

@ OP, yes, this is not really a reference title... obviously.

obiwopkenobi62 · 01-16-2009, 02:27 PM

I have the newer version of Superman returns and AQ and VQ are awesome.

01-15-2009, 07:56 PM	#1
gregr209 New Member Member since:Jan 2009	Superman Returns question Hi all, I am new to the forum and to blue-ray. I recently (just today) got from Netflix Superman Returns (a favorite of mine). I put it in and couldn't wait to see the Blue-ray goodness...wow was I shocked!!!! The picture wasn't as clear as I thought it would be. In the flying logo opening you could see jagged lines in the text and in several shots when Ma Kent is in the kitchen as Supes returns to Earth there is a lot of grain in the picture as well in several other places in the beginning of the film. So my question is, are there 2 different verisons of Superman Returns in Blue-Ray? Could the poor quality be that I good one of the first releases from Netflix? My player is fine, I just got Wall-E from Netflix and wow was totally impressed. In fact that is one I will buy just to show off to friends how great Blue-ray is...also 2001 is freaking awesome on my player as well. Anyone with insight to this Superman Returns question please let me know. Thanks in advance! Greg

01-16-2009, 04:58 AM	#18
ajmrowland Senior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Blu-ray collection:77	You need an HDMI cable, stat! Believe me, I started out the same way. Okay, scratch that. What size/type of tv do u have, and have you ever changed the picture settings since it was taken out of the box? If so, it might be the disc, because My HD DVD version has no grain(using the same transfer). Bitrates never mattered between the two formats. Last edited by ajmrowland; 01-16-2009 at 05:05 AM.

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01-15-2009, 08:04 PM	#2
kpkelley Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Framingham, MA 4K collection:385 Blu-ray collection:2478 Digital collection:113 Blu-ray reviews: 152	There are two different versions of Superman Returns however the video encode is the same on both. The film is supposed to be reminiscient of older films, and softer in style. That being said the issues that you mention usually point to settings in the television rather than the disc. Make sure that you turn down the sharpness setting in your player as it could be adding those jaggies and digital noise. DVDBeaver Review with screenshots

01-15-2009, 08:32 PM	#3
Another_Dude Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:191 Blu-ray reviews:8	Not that it matters for the video, but what are the audio codec options on the disc you have? I'm curious which version of the movie that Netflix is shipping.

01-15-2009, 09:00 PM	#4
ZatoichiX1 Member Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:746 Blu-ray collection:4603 DVD collection:610	I just got Superman Returns on Blu-Ray and it is indeed the re-issued disc with TrueHD Dolby and PCM audio. At first I noticed picture quality was not up to the standards I've come to expect from blu-ray, but I did play with my TV adjustments and got a nicer, crisper picture. So definitely play with your TV settings

01-15-2009, 09:12 PM	#5
tigtat77 Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:San Diego 4K collection:211 Blu-ray collection:777 Trading Score:109	I've been trying to find this in stores and can not seem to find it anywhere in San Diego.

01-15-2009, 09:48 PM	#8
tacoreed Special Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Omaha 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:722	My question is.....why did this movie suck so bad? Kevin Spacey was a great Lex.

01-16-2009, 02:27 PM	#20
obiwopkenobi62 Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Deatsville, Al Home Theater Gallery:531 Blu-ray collection:1143 DVD collection:62 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:6	I have the newer version of Superman returns and AQ and VQ are awesome.

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