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Old 02-05-2009, 08:24 AM   #1
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Warner-France are set to release Steven Soderbergh's Che (2008) in France/Monaco on (Part 1) July 7th and (Part 2) July 28th.

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Che Guevara is conventionally depicted either as a saint of revolution, or a ruthless executioner. Steven Soderbergh's epic biography "Che" doesn't feel the need to define him. It is not written from the point of view of history, but from Guevara's own POV on a day-to-day basis in the process of overthrowing the Batista regime in Cuba and then failing to repeat his success in Bolivia. Both parts of the film are based on his writings, including a diary in Bolivia written in the field, day to day.

The film plays in two parts, named "The Argentine" and "Guerrilla." It resists the temptation to pump up the volume, to outline Che (Benicio Del Toro) against the horizon, to touch conventional biographical bases. In Cuba, we join him in mid-stream. We learn that he is a doctor, but not how and why he became one. It is a given that he is a revolutionary. He is a natural leader of men. Fidel Castro is his comrade, but the film does not show them in a detailed relationship; much of the time, they are apart. There isn't an explanation of why he chose to secretly leave Cuba after the revolution, no reference to his time in the Congo, no explanation about why he chose Bolivia as his next field of operations, no reference to the political decisions he made as a young man motorcycling across South America (as described in the 2004 film "The Motorcycle Diaries").

"Che" is all in the present tense. He has made an irrevocable decision to overthrow governments, he explains why in his descriptions of injustice, he identifies with peasants and not with his own ruling class, and although he is nominally a Communist, we do not hear discussion of theory and ideology. He seems completely focused on the task immediately before him. His method is to give voice to popular resentment against a dictator, win the support of the people and demoralize opposing armies of unenthusiastic soldiers. He needs few men because he has a powerful idea behind him.

That method worked in Cuba and failed in Bolivia. Soderbergh's 258-minute film works as an arc: Upward to victory, a pause with his family in Argentina, downward to defeat. The scenes in Argentina show him with his second wife, Aleida (Catalina Sandino Moreno), and children, but do not engage in why he left them, how his wife really feels, how he feels about them. A wanted person, he has disguised himself so successfully that his children do not recognize him as he presides over the dinner table. His wife shared his political ideas but must have had deep feelings about a man who would leave his children to lead a revolutionary war in another country; but we don't hear them, and in a way it's a relief to be spared the conventional scenes of recrimination. It is all as it is.

That helps explain another peculiarity of the film. Surprising attention is given to Che meeting the volunteers who join his guerrilla bands. Names, embraces. But little effort is made to single them out as individuals, to develop complex relationships. Che enforces an inviolable rule: He will leave no wounded man behind. But there is no sense that he is personally emotionally involved with his men. It is a man he will not leave behind, not this man. It is the idea.

In Cuba, the rebels are greeted by the people of the villages, given food and cover, cheered on in what becomes a triumphal tour. In Bolivia, there seems little sympathy. Villagers betray him. They conceal government troops, not his own. When he lectures on the injustice of the government medical system, his audience seems unresponsive. You cannot lead a people into revolution if they do not want to follow. Soderbergh shows U.S. military advisers working with the Bolivians, but doesn't blame the United States for Che's failure. Che chose the wrong war at the wrong time and place.

In showing both wars, Soderbergh does an interesting thing. He doesn't structure his battle scenes as engagements with clear-cut outcomes. Che's men ambush and are ambushed. They trade fire with distant enemies. There is usually a cut to the group in the aftermath of battle, its casualties not lingered over. This is not a war movie. It is about one man's unrealistic compulsion to stay his course.

Soderbergh made the film himself, directing, photographing, editing. There is no fancy camerawork; he looks steadily at Che's dogged determination. There are very few subjective shots, but they are effective; Che's POV during his last moments, for example. There is a lot of the countryside, where these men live for weeks at a time. The overwhelming impression is of exhaustion, and Guevara himself has malaria part of the time, and suffered from asthma. There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come, and more doomed than one whose time is not now.

Benicio Del Toro, one of the film's producers, gives a heroic performance, not least because it's self-effacing. He isn't foregrounded like most epic heroes. In Cuba, he emerges in victory, in Bolivia, he is absorbed in defeat, and sometimes is almost hard to recognize behind a tangle of beard and hair. He embodies not so much a personality as a will. You may wonder if the film is too long. I think there's a good reason for its length. Guevara's experience in Cuba and especially Bolivia was not a series of events and anecdotes, but a trial of endurance that might almost be called mad.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:49 AM   #2
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great informative post, Pro-B!! Looks like a good movie and may have to treat myself to it depending on region coding
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:51 AM   #3
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Part 1 has a horrible cover. I'm very sad that this isn't being released as a two disc set. I don't think Part 2 holds up as well without being tied to the first half. That may just be my opinion. On a happy note, when I saw this in theatres, it looked so beautiful; the Red Camera is simply amazing. I'm guessing that it will transfer well to Blu just as well.
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:17 AM   #4
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Ahhh, interesting. Learning for the Kill Bill releases, it'll probably be good to wait until boths films are being offered as a bundle with a decent discount.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:31 PM   #5
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These two films are absolutely stunning cinema, and I'm praying that these are region free. These films are a must for my Blu-ray library.
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:14 PM   #6
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This movie is barely coming to the cinemas here soon and in France they already announced it for a Bluray release ? nice !
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:16 PM   #7
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I wonder how accurate it will be, since there is much screcy around these people lives. For instance if Fidel Castro had him killed or the CIA, who knows what the true story is. I also heard this movie is about 4 hours long.
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:30 PM   #8
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benicio del toro is one of my favorite actors.... been waiting to hear more about this , yes!!!! .... doubt it will be region free, but for me this just means its getting closer ;-).

thanks for this info my friend!!

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Old 02-21-2009, 10:33 AM   #9
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Don't they speak a lot of Spanish in this movie? I'd rather wait for US/UK release with English subs.
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:01 AM   #10
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I wonder how accurate it will be, since there is much screcy around these people lives. For instance if Fidel Castro had him killed or the CIA, who knows what the true story is. I also heard this movie is about 4 hours long.
There is no mystery about who killed Che Guevara. The bolivian soldiers who captured and later killed him have told in many interviews that they were trained and armed by Green Berets and CIA agents. Actually CIA commandos were involved in the hunting and assassination of Che Guevara. One of those CIA agents named Felix Rodriguez was present when Che was killed. He wrote a detailed report about it. It has been declassified (at least partially) you could find it searching the web.


If you don't wanna search, then read this. It's from a very reliable source (George Washington University)

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/index.html


Fidel didn't kill him but the question that many people ask is why Fidel didn't help Che to escape to a safer place. The answer to this question remains unknown. Either Fidel couldn't help Che Guevara to escape (quite possible) or he didn't want to help him (this one is the favorite answer for those who loves complot theories).

But about who killed Che, there is no doubt about it: Bolivian soldiers under the supervision of the CIA.

There are many biographies written by respected historians. Read one of them if u are interested on the life and death of Ernesto Guevara de la Serna aka "Ché". My only advice: try not reading anything written by a well-known basher/hater of Ché Guevara and Cuban revolution. Neither one by a fan of Che.
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Don't they speak a lot of Spanish in this movie? I'd rather wait for US/UK release with English subs.
The following info is for the UK release

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Optimum have sent the pre-order info to Amazon.UK: June 29th for part 1 and 2.

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Old 02-24-2009, 02:00 AM   #12
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Please be region free
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Old 02-24-2009, 03:06 AM   #13
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how befitting is it that July 28th is my b-day? Region Free por favor Warner.
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Old 02-24-2009, 03:08 AM   #14
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To damn long!!! Soderberg needs to make more films like his Oceans Trilogy,The Limey (Blu Ray please),Traffic and Bubble(a great sleeper)

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Old 07-14-2009, 12:22 PM   #15
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so who knows if it's sure region free ? plizz...
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I received a number of PMs asking about information on the French release (region status, etc). The latest being from Martin in Canada

I would like to ask:

Are you interested in having reviews for the French editions (please keep in mind that the discs offer only French subtitles)? If yes, please post here so we know what to do, if not, disregard this post.

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Old 07-15-2009, 07:57 PM   #17
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Like I said by PM I would be more then interested to see a review of the French version of both CHE movies.

This way it could confirm that movies are Region free and that they have a french audio track.

Thanks a lot for the offer!
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I would like to ask:

Are you interested in having reviews for the French editions

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<--- this french guy is interested
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Coming very soon.

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Old 07-23-2009, 01:39 AM   #20
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Good evening,

Confirmation:

Both Che films are Region-B "locked". Not English-friendly. There is no PAL content preceding the main feature(s). Therefore, French speakers with native Region-B players in Canada/USA will be able to access the film without a problem. Obviously, there should be no problems for Region-Free players.

Our reviews will be up in a couple of hours.

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