PlayStation 3 hits an install base of 6 million worldwide

[joeorc]

i am just passing along the info .
before any one who thinks there is no way this can be true. unless you work at SONY there would be no way anyone other than SONY to know for sure what those INSTALL BASE numbers world wide are:



AU: Sony 'Experience More' Event Coverage
Sony's local tech and games show kicks off. IGN gets the skinny on proceedings.
by Patrick Kolan, IGN AU
Australia, July 26, 2007 - The Sony Experience More event, Sony Australia's annual consumer electronics trade event, was on again this year in Sydney. Move over, Nintendo - if you want to see a gaming console turned into a mainstream consumer do-all device, you need not look further than today's presentation.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/808/808656p1.html

[joeorc]

an look what was said in may:
PS3 launch hammers Sony's bottom line

Posted May 16th 2007 7:14AM by Thomas Ricker
Filed under: Gaming
then sold only 5.5 of the 6 million PS3s they had targeted for the entire fiscal year. Still, Sony's once highly profitably games division is expected to make a recovery -- at least in part -- after they "strengthen" their game lineup this summer in their quest to sell 11 million PS3s before March of 2008. Godspeed Sony, you'll

http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/16/p...s-bottom-line/

[supersix4]

its just because so many cheapos once the $399 40gb ps3 comes out + the great games they will be back on top

[Ascended_Saiyan]

That presentation chart says March 2007. There is no way that is anything but their projected shipping numbers turned to install base. Another indicator is the fact that all the numbers end in triple zeros. That basically tells you that these are not accurate "sold" numbers.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

That presentation chart says March 2007. There is no way that is anything but their projected shipping numbers turned to install base. Another indicator is the fact that all the numbers end in triple zeros. That basically tells you that these are not accurate "sold" numbers.

AS OF JUNE the install base was 4.48 million systems sold as of 30th june 2007
that would make for Sony would have to sell (1,520,000) systems from the first of JULY to the 26th of july. there are 12 locations around the world listed that SONY ships playstation 3 systems too. 1.5 million systems sold through in a little under a month world wide is not unreasonable sony produced over a million playstation 3's a month. in production that would only be (126,666.67) sold in a month per location. and already in NPD the playstation 3 has sold (98,000) systems sold for the month of june in NA that's by NPD number's before the price drop.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by joeorc

AS OF JUNE the install base was 4.48 million systems sold as of 30th june 2007
that would make for Sony would have to sell (1,520,000) systems from the first of JULY to the 26th of july. there are 12 locations around the world listed that SONY ships playstation 3 systems too. 1.5 million systems sold through in a little under a month world wide is not unreasonable sony produced over a million playstation 3's a month. in production that would only be (126,666.67) sold in a month per location. and already in NPD the playstation 3 has sold (98,000) systems sold for the month of june in NA that's by NPD number's before the price drop.

Your first sentence means you agree with me. If you are saying that as of June 2007 the install base was 4.48 million, how can 6 million install base as of March 2007 be right?

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Your first sentence means you agree with me. If you are saying that as of June 2007 the install base was 4.48 million, how can 6 million install base as of March 2007 be right?

THEY ARE ONLY POSTING TRUE SALES DATA NOW..NOT SHIPPED DATA. so if they are saying (6 million) install base they cannot post that if its not true. also each of those number's 118,000,000 for example playstation 2 sold world wide that's true sales through world wide ever they listed as world wide install base is not shipped those number's are sold through. because TGS last year KAZ h. has said the playstation 2 has shipped over 120,000,000 systems world wide TO DATE that was from sep 2006. NOW they have listed 118,000,000 sold through.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by joeorc

THEY ARE ONLY POSTING TRUE SALES DATA NOW..NOT SHIPPED DATA. so if they are saying (6 million) install base they cannot post that if its not true. also each of those number's 118,000,000 for example playstation 2 sold world wide that's true sales through world wide ever they listed as world wide install base is not shipped those number's are sold through. because TGS last year KAZ h. has said the playstation 2 has shipped over 120,000,000 systems world wide TO DATE that was from sep 2006. NOW they have listed 118,000,000 sold through.

I'm just asking you to answer my question. There is no need for shouting. You just haven't answered the question.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

I'm just asking you to answer my question. There is no need for shouting. You just haven't answered the question.

sorry.about that .in the report that SONY posted to the share holders last month that PDF. all numbers that are posted from now on will be sold numbers when they post not shipped anymore. so when they post number's now the number's will be SOLD not shipped.

even though the slide they used was from MARCH the DATA they are showing is an upto date number of sold through because in may of this year sony stated they had shipped 5.5 million systems they missed the 6 million shipped that was to be the amount they targeted for release by the end of MARCH.
though they did by may have the full 6 million by the end .

so by june they sold 4.48 million by OFFICIAL numbers sold through WORLD WIDE AS OF JUNE.what sony is saying now that officialy they have sold through (6) million systems . now this is from the CEO in UA and he may have got that wrong. but there better be a retraction QUICK if he has stated wrong sales amount. but the way he put it.

Michael Ephraim-

"Globally, the PS3 has racked up a total of approximately 6 million units sold."

[Boss Hogg]

OK, so basically what you're saying then is that the picture you posted is a lie - that they did NOT have an installed base of 6mil in March because just NOW Sony is saying they have an installed based of 6mil (and late July does not equal March). Would have been far less confusing if you just didn't post up that graphic for March 2007.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Boss Hogg

OK, so basically what you're saying then is that the picture you posted is a lie - that they did NOT have an installed base of 6mil in March because just NOW Sony is saying they have an installed based of 6mil (and late July does not equal March). Would have been far less confusing if you just didn't post up that graphic for March 2007.

Ephraim also mentioned the latest Australian sales figures for the PS3. He highlighted that the GfK figure was actually a little dated, and the final numbers sat somewhere closer to a total of 64,000 units sold in Australia to date. He also said that, on a slow week, the PS3 was selling around 2,500 units - putting it ahead of all other direct console competitors in the market. Globally, the PS3 has racked up a total of approximately 6 million units sold.

what he is saying the chart was not upto date. sony had already shipped (6) million systems back in the end of MARCH 2007. because SONY was counting Shipped systems as Sold then the data was not as accurate ,because the systems were already sold to retail. not consumers what sony has released last month to SHARE holder's is from now forward they will only count what is sold through also and not just what was shipped. its so they have more close to the accurate #'s that they can measure for the share holder's

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by joeorc

Ephraim also mentioned the latest Australian sales figures for the PS3. He highlighted that the GfK figure was actually a little dated, and the final numbers sat somewhere closer to a total of 64,000 units sold in Australia to date. He also said that, on a slow week, the PS3 was selling around 2,500 units - putting it ahead of all other direct console competitors in the market. Globally, the PS3 has racked up a total of approximately 6 million units sold.

what he is saying the chart was not upto date. sony had already shipped (6) million systems back in the end of MARCH 2007. because SONY was counting Shipped systems as Sold then the data was not as accurate ,because the systems were already sold to retail. not consumers what sony has released last month to SHARE holder's is from now forward they will only count what is sold through also and not just what was shipped. its so they have more close to the accurate #'s that they can measure for the share holder's

You have made everything make more sense, now.
The only thing is...how can you call units sold to retailers an "install base"? I can't remember any company EVER calling units sold to retailers an "install base"...have you? I don't remember Sony using that for the PS2...do you?

VGChartz would be COMPLETELY off if what you say is true. No one should expect VGChartz to be 100% accurate. It is meant to give a ballpark figure and is based on numerous verifiable sources (Nielsen would be one of them). To be off by 2.1 million units would utterly ruin their reputation for being fairly accurate. Does that mean I should boost all their console numbers by 2.1 million? Do you see the problems this creates?

I would like these numbers to be true. But, for me to believe 6 million units have been sold already, I would have to disgard a lot of sources and things I believed was true for 7 months. I could do this restructuring, but not without more proof. I do not want to play the factless fanboy, if this isn't true. Information must be scrutinized before using it. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

You have made everything make more sense, now.
The only thing is...how can you call units sold to retailers an "install base"? I can't remember any company EVER calling units sold to retailers an "install base"...have you? I don't remember Sony using that for the PS2...do you?

VGChartz would be COMPLETELY off if what you say is true. No one should expect VGChartz to be 100% accurate. It is meant to give a ballpark figure and is based on numerous verifiable sources (Nielsen would be one of them). To be off by 2.1 million units would utterly ruin their reputation for being fairly accurate. Does that mean I should boost all their console numbers by 2.1 million? Do you see the problems this creates?

I would like these numbers to be true. But, for me to believe 6 million units have been sold already, I would have to disgard a lot of sources and things I believed was true for 7 months. I could do this restructuring, but not without more proof. I do not want to play the factless fanboy, if this isn't true. Information must be scrutinized before using it. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

o'l yes i do infact see where you are looking at this from no doubt,but to me there is no way in gods green earth that VGA charts can track the full number's world wide.and don't get me wrong i like going to VGA charts but not even NPD can do world wide sales #, but sony can.howcan SONY do it its simple here i will explain it..their not counting sold to retailer's their counting something else.SO the only way for someone to know how much something has sold through is by the one's who distribute the product...to the retailer.see the point being this is the first time that because of the new statement by sony for last month to the share holders. that sony is going by sold through numbers also.

they stated they will only be with forward posting of actual sell through. not just how many shipped.because when a example 1st Q, ends they have to divulge how much sales they have done so if they sale 1,000,000 units to stores they have to list they sold that many. but from now on that also means they are going to list how many have sold through.

Now even with SOLD through DATA it may be off slightly due to a retail reorders 1000 order's a month and before the month ends they order 1000 more. the store may not tell SONY how many they have sold right then...i don't think the store may not tell SONY. their sales for the month because the person they talk to may not know the full #'s and that would take some time from accounting.which most of the time only accounting has those number's

So sony would have to go by the reorder restock #'s. atleast that give's them a number within reason. sony before hand did not do this they just accounted everything as just shipped as sold. they are now useing restock reorder#'s to being more accurate with their sales number's prob. because the SHARE HOLDERS wanted it and SIR. Howard demanded it... now this is my OPINION how they would do that because i BEING IN IT computer parts one of my jobs is to track sales reorder and restock #'s for my company. for how much we order and sell through in parts.let me tell you its a beast.

So sony just put out a report to share holder's for the #'s of SOLD through being 4.48 million as of JUNE 30 2007 the # may even be off For even SONY because they would have to get every store to confirm how many they have sold through the month from each and every store..., my OPINION on that is not very likely...

but SONY can use their RESTOCK REORDER #'s is prob as close to a accurate
number as sony can get as sold through number's from retail. its not going to be 100% but it would be closer than anyone outside of SONY. and with their new stance on sale through figures SONY has stated "INSTALL BASE" on that slide the fact they did not lable the slide "shipped, or just sold" is why i think they are infact telling to the best of their knowledge that there is 6 million systems sold through.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Of course, this is what you have come up with. It may be completely true, but it is an unproven theory. If you can find at least two articles proving your theory, I will be happy to go along with it. But, until that time, I will have to remain skeptical...no offense.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Of course, this is what you have come up with. It may be completely true, but it is an unproven theory. If you can find at least two articles proving your theory, I will be happy to go along with it. But, until that time, I will have to remain skeptical...no offense.

none taken...there would be no way to know that unless we know someone who works at SONY but since that is what one part of my job is at work and that is one of the way's we track our sell through DATA. i would imagine SONY to do something quite along the same lines.

and i have no problem in how you view that INFO i am just saying 1.5 million systems split between (12) locations around the world. THAN LOOK UNDER EACH OF THOSE SECTIONS..in order to make 6 million install base would not be unheard of. with a price drop. in 2 locations US and JAPAN and since even before JULY both regions japan was selling 80,000 per month that was with out a price drop per month that's by VGA charts, and THE US was on average in the 80,000 also with june haveing 98,000. among those 12 locations.

SONY would need to sell 127,000 . now mind you there are more than that (12) just under EUROPE (45), UNDER ASIA (14) is the only area is listed on the SONY playstation web site they have shown that SONY has shipped playstation 's in the middle EAST which is also listed. So THE BARE MIN. Thats not even breaking the numbers per state just the location on the globe That means for the entire area of the US it only needs (23,750) systems needed to be sold for the entire month of JULY.for the entire USA

http://www.playstation.com/

under each section is listed places that sony ships the playstation 3.

http://uk.playstation.com/country-selector/

i under stand if you still do not think its true.and i have no problem with that its nice we can discuss this in a good enviroment like this forum.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

I think the Wii is just pulling 1 million unit sales a month worldwide according to VGChartz.com. This is from VG Chartz main page...

Where Do Our Numbers Come From?

VG Chartz (as with all other sales tracking agencies) reports "sold to consumer" figures rather than the "sold to retailer" or even "manufactured" figures found in manufacturer reports and press releases as we believe consumer sales is the most important metric in measuring the success of a console. We collect sample data directly from retailers all over the world, sample sizes are small compared to professional tracking services, but are large enough to provide very accurate projections of the latest console figures worldwide. We are the only provider anywhere in the world of weekly American sales figures and are expanding our data collection and coverage all the time. To find out more, visit our about us and methodology pages.

It's just almost unthinkable to believe they are 2.1 million off. They cover the world. It's almost equally unthinkable that 1.5 million units (of any console) moved off the shelves in one month. It's possible, but highly improbable.

[Jafo]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

I think the Wii is just pulling 1 million unit sales a month worldwide according to VGChartz.com. This is from VG Chartz main page...



It's just almost unthinkable to believe they are 2.1 million off. They cover the world. It's almost equally unthinkable that 1.5 million units (of any console) moved off the shelves in one month. It's possible, but highly improbable.

Just how can they, VGChartz and NexGen Wars, possibly collect "Sold to customers" world wide?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx3zVUdBxB0

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

I think the Wii is just pulling 1 million unit sales a month worldwide according to VGChartz.com. This is from VG Chartz main page...



It's just almost unthinkable to believe they are 2.1 million off. They cover the world. It's almost equally unthinkable that 1.5 million units (of any console) moved off the shelves in one month. It's possible, but highly improbable.

like i said ..i like VGA charts and all but the most data they can get is from famatsu, NPD, and...that just ABOUT IT. they could not gather any where enough WORLD WIDE data on SELL THROUGH of SYSTEMS that would include the Nintendo Wii, there is just no way. the only why for them to get that DATA for WORLD wide is through the SYSTEM distribution chain IE: from SONY,NINTENDO,Microsoft. and that data is not something they give out to the public.

and its not as improbable as you may think. the fact JUST IN SONY'S CASE they list over 60 countries that the playstation 3 is being shipped to each and every month. HOW many systems go to each location per week and how many systems sell in each location per month..even in AU the playstation 3 is selling 10,000 systems a month. sony would have needed only to sell (23,750) systems in AU for them to get that (6) million install base. since even with out a price drop the playstation 3 was selling 80,000 systems per month in japan, and the US, and currently after the price drop the playstation 3 sales sky rocketed. had have been pretty much all month.

this is very logical thinking its not 1.5 million each location, its 1.5 million split to over 60 countries even small countries buy in the 1000's of systems in a month.

[What'sHD]

Originally Posted by joeorc

sorry.about that .in the report that SONY posted to the share holders last month that PDF. all numbers that are posted from now on will be sold numbers when they post not shipped anymore.

joeorc, the nos. now are sold yes but sold to retail, not to consumers

The previous nos. sony used to put in their financial reports were shipments to warehouses, ie, amount manufactured.

Thus, install base is best arrived at via vgchartz for now.

The sales to retail are 4.28M, not 4.48M, based on the pdfs off their site. It's 1.66 + 1.91 + 0.71 for the 3 quarters so far, sold to retail.

http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=8...gures+released


P.S. I also confirmed the 3 categories of PS3 #s with vgchartz by email. The install base is almost 4M now, with sales to retail about 4.5M and manufactured # of over 6M.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by What'sHD

joeorc, the nos. now are sold yes but sold to retail, not to consumers

The previous nos. sony used to put in their financial reports were shipments to warehouses, ie, amount manufactured.

Thus, install base is best arrived at via vgchartz for now.

The sales to retail are 4.28M, not 4.48M, based on the pdfs off their site. It's 1.66 + 1.91 + 0.71 for the 3 quarters so far, sold to retail.

http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=8...gures+released


P.S. I also confirmed the 3 categories of PS3 #s with vgchartz by email. The install base is almost 4M now, with sales to retail about 4.5M and manufactured # of over 6M.

like i said i would have to disagree with VGA charts i could very well see VGA charts get their data from NPD and Famatsu..but they cannot claim world wide . and that's my problem. they have no way in god's green earth to have that data without Microsoft, NINTENDO, AND SONY's input. which i doubt very much that VGA charts can get. because the only way i know of . being that's part of my job in the IT field..is restock, reorder resale numbers to retail . and that would be as an example in this case something only SONY would know right now. for world wide. the playstation 3 was just released in countries around the world since only MARCH. some later than that from APR.. less than 6 months. all i am saying is if SONY has released the number's as install base that's not just "sold" to retail..because install base as far as i know means "sold to consumer"