Power conditioner? Is it for me?

[ryandubbz]

Hi guys, im thinking of buying a power conditioner or a better surge protector. I found one at monoprice for a really good price. What do you guys think. When does someone need something like this? http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Right now i have everything in my signature plugged into my RadioShack $40 Surge Protector.

[ZIPPO]

Originally Posted by Bluray Freak 2009

Hi again things are moving smoothly and I just got my extra 50ft speaker cable from Monoprice so I should have everything up in 2 Weeks but I still have a few questions about a few items I would like to purchase here are some of them.

Power Conditioner And Battery Backup Questions

1.Is this product both a power Conditioner and a battery backup combined is this product good does any one have it or has any one used it is it better to get the power conditioner and battery back up as separate components?

Here is the link to the product I am referring too

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panamax+...max&cp=1&lp=10

2.If It is better to get the Battery back up separately I would prefer the brand APC but Bestbuy only sells them in it’s PC Section can I use one of those?

I mainly want a Battery Back Up for 4 components the AVR, PS3 Xbox 360 because I want to shut them down properly ,and too keep my DVR running at least until the show I was watching gets done recording.

Is the product below enough for all of this or is there a more better one than this?

Here is the link to the product I am referring too

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/APC+-+15...=APC&cp=1&lp=6

Again Thanks In Advance For The Replys

Originally Posted by progers13

A good rule of thumb with battery backups is the higher the joule rating the better. It's common that Best Buy sells them in the computer section as that is what most people use them for, but you can use it for Home Theater applications. The price seems a bit steep on this one. Have you searched around for better prices?

Originally Posted by ZIPPO

It's sold at Monoprice.com, so you are going to get quality & save money.

Its ratings are: 3000 joules & 1000VA / 500W
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$179

Reviews here
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...mat=4#feedback

Check Specs here
http://www.pcmups.com.tw/eA/html/pro...age=1&keyword=

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...#specification

Can Purchase here
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2




Panamax MX5102
Its ratings are: 1800 joules & 600VA 360W @ 0.6f
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$650

Specs
http://www.panamax.com/Products/Batt....aspx#tab_spec



very comparable!

battery back up is bonus

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by ryandubbz

Hi guys, im thinking of buying a power conditioner or a better surge protector. I found one at monoprice for a really good price. What do you guys think. When does someone need something like this? http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Right now i have everything in my signature plugged into my RadioShack $40 Surge Protector.

The way to look at A power Conditioner is Peace of Mind ! It will protect all your gear far better than the $40.oo surge protector you have !
The one in the link looks like A good one .

[ryandubbz]

thanks for fast responses. Zippo i did see that post, but i didnt know if this was just a battery backup or a power conditioner, and now i know that its both. Thanks guys!

[dldevo]

best improvement to a system you can do. don`t skimp, money spent the returns are exponentially higher. I actually created an account to tell you this. ( i read this site constantly just don`t respond) If you have questions, I am into the high end of audio and also home theater.

[ryandubbz]

Originally Posted by dldevo

best improvement to a system you can do. don`t skimp, money spent the returns are exponentially higher.

Are you saying the monoprice ones are good?

[ZIPPO]

Originally Posted by ryandubbz

Are you saying the monoprice ones are good?

I think it's a bargain!

Don't take my word for it, read the reviews.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...mat=4#feedback

[ZIPPO]

It may not look the coolest, but it works great!

Rating: (10 out of 10) Reviewer: ZIPPO from Columbus, OH
11/4/2008 4:26:47 PM

Built like a tank!
this product is made by POWERCOM (http://www.pcmups.com.tw & http://www.powercom-usa.com). Has a 2 year warranty & $25,000.00 equipment protection policy. This comes with rack mount ears for rack installations. It is a tremendous bargin at this price. Panamax/Furman has a similar product that sells for $999.99. Just as good as Belkin UPS, APC UPS, Monster, and Panamax/Furman UPS, for less money.

[dldevo]

Originally Posted by ryandubbz

Are you saying the monoprice ones are good?

don`t know the product from experience with it but looked up the specs. it does not do stage filter cleaning , just surge protection. i have a couple on each system that do both. the clean up of the power from our wall outlets really lets the sound shine on a well set up system plus surge protection.

[Steve]

I have a Belkin PF60 that I bought off of Amazon for about $200. It's a good looking unit IMO and I haven't had any issues with it. Before that I was using a Belkin PF30 but it only had 8 outlets and I now have more than 8 items that need to be plugged in so I bought the bigger unit with 13 outlets (12 back, 1 front).

[ryandubbz]

Originally Posted by dldevo

don`t know the product from experience with it but looked up the specs. it does not do stage filter cleaning , just surge protection. i have a couple on each system that do both. the clean up of the power from our wall outlets really lets the sound shine on a well set up system plus surge protection.

Really I dont know what stage filter cleaning is, but For the price, this one looks good, unless you know of any other ones that are better than this one for the price

[ryandubbz]

Originally Posted by fireman325

I have a Belkin PF60 that I bought off of Amazon for about $200. It's a good looking unit IMO and I haven't had any issues with it. Before that I was using a Belkin PF30 but it only had 8 outlets and I now have more than 8 items that need to be plugged in so I bought the bigger unit with 13 outlets (12 back, 1 front).

Since the one from monoprice doesnt have stage filter cleaning as said by dldevo would it be better to get a different one?

[dldevo]

stage filtering is clean up of the haze and garbage that comes to us from the power company, you will be shocked at how much the grunge attached to our power supply affects what we listen to. I have the onkyo 805 receiver hooked to infinity beta towers 7.1 with multiple subs (2-15 inch velodyne under fronts - 2- 12 inch rels under the rears and a 8 inch boston acoustics under the center channel. all tuned very low so as to just catch the speakers. it`s sick. but by adding a great 5 stage cleaning power center, the sound went from awsome to phenomanal

[westom]

Originally Posted by dldevo

stage filtering is clean up of the haze and garbage that comes to us from the power company, you will be shocked at how much the grunge attached to our power supply affects what we listen to.

View the numbers. That haze and garbage is also called perfectly ideal power to electronic power supplies.

What would a line conditioner do? Filter power. What do electronics power supplies do? Same - just better. A minimal one:
First AC mains power is filtered. Then convert from AC voltage to many hundreds of volts (higher) DC. Then filtered again. Already, this minimal power supply has done more than any $hundreds line conditioner.

Then that supply converts high voltage DC to high voltage radio waves. Then filters that while converting it to low voltage radio waves. Then converts radio waves back (again) to DC. Then more filtering.

Anything that line filter is going to accomplish must already be inside electronics. Above is only minimal. Some electronics have even better 'line conditioning'. How much was that 'line conditioner' that does not claim to do this?

But when so many tell us how to think - without numbers - without the reasons why - then a massive and highly profitable market exists selling snake oil to the naive.

How easy to scam so many? Well many recommend UPSes for 'cleaner' electricity. Why? Because the majority do not demand what is only available from the more honest - numbers. Let's view numbers from a typical 120V UPS when in battery backup mode. Two 200 volt square waves with a spike of up to 270 volts between those square waves. Also called a sine wave output (because square waves are a sum of sine waves). The naive call that 'cleaner' electricity.

Another example: hearsay becomes popular myth. Then a majority believe the myth. Easy when so many do not demand numbers. Those line conditioners were recommended despite facts.

ryandubbz asked about a monoprice product. A same protector sells in a grocery store for $7. Same numeric specs (because it is the same circuit). Take a $3 power strip. Add some ten cent parts. Sell it for $25 or $150. The naive will even recommend the $150 one only because the sales brochures are fancier. Those line conditioners do not answer (or do) what ryandubbz asked.

Surge protection is completely different from the many other anomalies posted. Suddenly every anomaly (including blackouts) is a same destructive transient? Total nonsense. OP only asked about surge protection. Line conditioners do provide near zero surge protection. Enough for the naïve to claim 100% protection. What happens when hearsay without numbers is promoted by a majority. Same hearsay and outright lies also proved Saddam had WMDs. You would think we all learned from history. Nope.

Surge protection requires a completely different solution. All facilities that must have effective protection do not use crappy, undersized, and excessively overpriced devices such as the monoprice unit. That monoprice unit does not even make it claims in numeric specs. Sales brochures can claim to save the world. No numbers in its numeric spec says how little it really does.

Effective solutions are located elsewhere, are available from responsible companies, and can accomplish far more at about $1 per protected appliance.

[MrRoy]

Originally Posted by westom

Effective solutions are located elsewhere, are available from responsible companies, and can accomplish far more at about $1 per protected appliance.

You have posted this in a few other threads about surge protection. Can you please enlighten us with a name for this solution? I am sure all are dying to know...

[ZIPPO]

Originally Posted by MrRoy

You have posted this in a few other threads about surge protection. Can you please enlighten us with a name for this solution? I am sure all are dying to know...

It's a riddle.

[dldevo]

I only have one reply to your triad... i`ve done huge research with both a/b testing and there is a difference if everything is done properly and the right components are integrated with each other and the power is cleaned up. Power sucks comming from our wall supply. I have proved it with listening tests, good equipment, and proper set up. There was a profound effect on sound quality, much more then any component or cable upgrade done to that point. My opinion, but based on years of research, equipment testing and selection.

[westom]

Originally Posted by MrRoy

You have posted this in a few other threads about surge protection. Can you please enlighten us with a name for this solution? I am sure all are dying to know...

In every thread, solutions were listed.

Listed were a few manufacturers who provide these solutions. Provided were simple rules to identify ineffective and effective solutions. Asked for were numbers – another fact that exposes recommendations based only in junk science.

Which part did you not understand? No I am not trying to be difficult. You admit you read this stuff. So why are you asking what you should already know? Which part so confuses you? Then I can address your confusion rather than repost the same reply (that you did not understand).

[crazyBLUE]

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by MrRoy

You have posted this in a few other threads about surge protection. Can you please enlighten us with a name for this solution? I am sure all are dying to know...

Per his M.O., he'll pop-in, crap all over anything electrical and anyone who has the audacity to use a surge protector and/or power conditioner, offer absolutely NO alternatives and then leave without another word. He's been called-out numerous times, and asked to provide solutions, but all he wants to do is write (poorly) in riddles and code. I suspect this thread will be no different.