Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by happydood

Have you ever visited the talkbacks at aintitcoolnews.com?

Nope.

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Then you haven't been on the internet in the last 15 years.

Sometimes I wish that were the case.

Originally Posted by JackKnightStarman

I'm not saying I believe that. I'm calling out people who used that term since '97, when the Special Editions were released. You would know that if you were born early enough to understand when the term "Rape" was being used to describe people's feelings. @$$#at...

The problem is, here in this forum (or in any other personal experience I can recall), over the last fifteen years, I can't point to anyone having used the word "rape" in this context -- again, except as some sort of apocryphal story about "those" kind of Star Wars fans (ie people who don't particularly care for the prequels/special editions).

I just think it's a cheap and lazy way of branding the opposition. There are plenty of sensible people (here and elsewhere) who have serious reservations about the direction Lucas took Star Wars since roughly 1980 (but especially 97 and beyond). We voice our concerns on boards like these, and find ourselves lumped with the mythical "childhood rape" victims.

[jPod]

G'day, everyone. I'm new to the franchise and I was wondering if the Star Wars: The Complete Saga was worth the purchase? The reason I ask if because I've read a number of complaints about it. Please let me know! Thanks.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

You might consider changing your name to JackKnightStrawman, because surely you know that, for every time the whole "childhood rape" canard is trotted out, it's invariably being reverse-engineered to attack anyone who has a problem with (a) the prequels or (b) the special editions of the OT.

Quite honestly, I can't remember ever having read, heard or otherwise encountered the rape analogy except in this manner.

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Then you haven't been on the internet in the last 15 years.

Well, he's been a member here for almost five years. Shouldn't he have heard it here by now?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by jPod

G'day, everyone. I'm new to the franchise and I was wondering if the Star Wars: The Complete Saga was worth the purchase? The reason I ask if because I've read a number of complaints about it. Please let me know! Thanks.

If you're serious there are like 1,000 reviews of the set. The transfers could be better but still look pretty good. The SE cuts are unfortunate but unlikely to matter much to a new viewer.

[Alexb5]

I have a question, I am buying the comlete saga on bluray, but I'm not sure if I should buy the 2011 version or the new version with darth vader on the cover? Are there any differences with those releases or is it just the cover change? Also I was wondering if its best to buy the trilogies seperate or the complete saga? Please help me

[jdw89]

Originally Posted by Alexb5

I have a question, I am buying the comlete saga on bluray, but I'm not sure if I should buy the 2011 version or the new version with darth vader on the cover? Are there any differences with those releases or is it just the cover change? Also I was wondering if its best to buy the trilogies seperate or the complete saga? Please help me

Both saga's are the same, except the 2011 release has a digibook packaging whereas the new Vader cover is an amaray case. If you go with the separate trilogies you won't get the 3 included bonus disc's in the complete saga.

[Alexb5]

Originally Posted by jdw89

Both saga's are the same, except the 2011 release has a digibook packaging whereas the new Vader cover is an amaray case. If you go with the separate trilogies you won't get the 3 included bonus disc's in the complete saga.

So I should get the 2011 version right? I like the darth vader cover though

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Alexb5

Eso I should get the 2011 version right? I like the darth vader cover though

Both the original set with "little Annie" on the cover and the one with Darth Vader are virtually the same box set with the same discs. Just the packaging is different so go with which one you think looks better.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Alexb5

So I should get the 2011 version right? I like the darth vader cover though

Both "Saga" sets (the 2011 "Lil' Ani" and 2015 Darth Vader versions) have all 9 BDs (3 for each trilogy and 3 more bonus discs) and are identical in terms of on-disc content. The only difference is packaging.

Note that the separate trilogy sets (OT and PT) have 3 BDs each, and lack the extra bonus discs.

[Alexb5]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Both the original set with "little Annie" on the cover and the one with Darth Vader are virtually the same box set with the same discs. Just the packaging is different so go with which one you think looks better.

I'm bringing it abroad maybe the vader set is more fragile and it could break while they bring it?

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Alexb5

I'm bringing it abroad maybe the vader set is more fragile and it could break while they bring it?

While it is made of plastic, it shouldn't be any more fragile than any other Blu-ray case if it's shipped properly in a box.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by octagon

Well, he's been a member here for almost five years. Shouldn't he have heard it here by now?

Yes, he should, and he probably has. And I know you've seen it too, so stop pretending that it never happened. The following posts are just a small sample from this forum. (I mercifully omitted the text, and provided links only):

Originally Posted by Sylin

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Originally Posted by flyboy66

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Originally Posted by Penitus

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Originally Posted by Penitus

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Originally Posted by JRS03

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Originally Posted by Elvis

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Originally Posted by Elvis

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Originally Posted by KrugStillo

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Originally Posted by stvn1974

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Could have done a lot more, but got bored with it... and I didn't even get as far back as when Elvis landed here and started posting it twenty times a day. Some other names I could mention, too, but since they're not banned members, I don't want to get in trouble for naming them. Alas, thankfully, a lot of those distasteful comments get deleted.

Plus, there's also the pseudo-documentary "The People vs George Lucas" which literally features the song "George Lucas Raped our Childhood". Then there was that Southpark episode, which I'm sure is where all these unoriginal goobs got the phrase from to begin with.

The point is, it happened, you know it happened, and I know that you know it happened, but as usual you are taking a stance solely for the opportunity that it provides for you to heckle and mock someone, which evidently is all you have left going on in your life. How awesome.

Next time you decide to heckle someone, make sure it isn't something where a quick search proves how wrong you are. Now, you will probably go to your usual move of indignantly pretending that you don't heckle or personally attack anybody, and specifically claim that you honestly didn't know that people had been saying that... or you would, if I hadn't just called that shot. Personally, I'm above caring what you say about me or to me, I'm only posting this for the sake of advocating for people who are going to be regularly using this forum, who shouldn't have to take this nonsense on this particular topic. (As for myself, I've posted my review and said my piece, now I'm done here for probably another 6-12 months. So, don't bother trying to draw me into another of your contrived self-validations.)

[JimSmith]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

While I would love to see a good release of the original version of the original trilogy, this conversation does make me laugh too. We see alternate versions of other films released all the time that replace the original theatrical cuts and no one seems to care about those. Why does no one complain that the theatrical cut of Highlander hasn't been released? Because it isn't Star Wars. If it is Star Wars, then it is a big deal but if it is a less successful or liked film, then meh - no big deal. It isn't about releasing what was originally released or the director's cut or anything like that, it is about releasing the version you like best. I am like everyone else, I would love to see the original version on Blu-ray but in the end, Lucas owned them and could do whatever he wanted with them. I don't see these kinds of complaints asking Windows to bring back XP because it was so much better than we have now. Does it make him a bit of a hypocrite? For sure but then again, success and money tends to do that to people.

This is a Star Wars thread, not a highlander thread!

[Bru87tr]

Originally Posted by JimSmith

This is a Star Wars thread, not a highlander thread!

Go back to the Cantina and have another drink.

[Petey Parker]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

While I would love to see a good release of the original version of the original trilogy, this conversation does make me laugh too. We see alternate versions of other films released all the time that replace the original theatrical cuts and no one seems to care about those. Why does no one complain that the theatrical cut of Highlander hasn't been released? Because it isn't Star Wars. If it is Star Wars, then it is a big deal but if it is a less successful or liked film, then meh - no big deal. It isn't about releasing what was originally released or the director's cut or anything like that, it is about releasing the version you like best. I am like everyone else, I would love to see the original version on Blu-ray but in the end, Lucas owned them and could do whatever he wanted with them. I don't see these kinds of complaints asking Windows to bring back XP because it was so much better than we have now. Does it make him a bit of a hypocrite? For sure but then again, success and money tends to do that to people.

Because there can be only one!

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

[Show spoiler]Yes, he should, and he probably has. And I know you've seen it too, so stop pretending that it never happened. The following posts are just a small sample from this forum. (I mercifully omitted the text, and provided links only):











Could have done a lot more, but got bored with it... and I didn't even get as far back as when Elvis landed here and started posting it twenty times a day. Some other names I could mention, too, but since they're not banned members, I don't want to get in trouble for naming them. Alas, thankfully, a lot of those distasteful comments get deleted.

Plus, there's also the pseudo-documentary "The People vs George Lucas" which literally features the song "George Lucas Raped our Childhood". Then there was that Southpark episode, which I'm sure is where all these unoriginal goobs got the phrase from to begin with.

The point is, it happened, you know it happened, and I know that you know it happened, but as usual you are taking a stance solely for the opportunity that it provides for you to heckle and mock someone, which evidently is all you have left going on in your life. How awesome.

Next time you decide to heckle someone, make sure it isn't something where a quick search proves how wrong you are. Now, you will probably go to your usual move of indignantly pretending that you don't heckle or personally attack anybody, and specifically claim that you honestly didn't know that people had been saying that... or you would, if I hadn't just called that shot. Personally, I'm above caring what you say about me or to me, I'm only posting this for the sake of advocating for people who are going to be regularly using this forum, who shouldn't have to take this nonsense on this particular topic. (As for myself, I've posted my review and said my piece, now I'm done here for probably another 6-12 months. So, don't bother trying to draw me into another of your contrived self-validations.)

My goodness. After reading your examples, I was prepared to say "point taken" or some such, then you launched into a paragraph of unwarranted vitriol.

I quite honestly hadn't ever personally heard or read those comments. It's a vile metaphor. I would add though that one of those quoted comments was made at least somewhat ironically, another said "ruined my childhood", most were seven years old, and several were from the same individuals.

I've never used it, but I'm familiar with it, as I said, primarily as a tool to shut down critical discussion of Lucas's post 1983 output. In other words, of course I know about the expression, but I haven't directly encountered (online or otherwise) anyone who's articulated that point of view, except those anxious to dismiss anyone critical of some element of the more recent Star Wars endeavours, who hold up the quotation and howl, "Look at what barbarians these prequel haterz are!"

What I wrote was in earnest. You seem to have a great deal of hostility; it appears I've deeply offended you without even addressing you.

At the heart of my point was the idea that there are Star Wars fans out there who take an almost Stalinist approach to defending the series as a whole -- no criticism will be tolerated. Such people find it useful to lump all critics of the prequels and special editions as members of the "childhood rape" brigade.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

At the heart of my point was the idea that there are Star Wars fans out there who take an almost Stalinist approach to defending the series as a whole -- no criticism will be tolerated. Such people find it useful to lump all critics of the prequels and special editions as members of the "childhood rape" brigade.

That's the disadvantage of those defending a known losing position (e.g. championing the nonsensical SE changes and claiming that the PT has any merit in its own right other than leeching off of the brand equity of the OT). Critical thought and/or dissent would only serve to their detriment, thus they cannot allow it to exist. It's much the same as totalitarian regimes, of which Lucasfilm circa the 1990s to 2012 did vaguely resemble.

As such, launching vile attacks such as falsely claiming that anyone and everyone who doesn't drink the Lucas Revisionist Kool-Aid® somehow takes part in trivializing rape would indeed be the most expedient way to paint the opposition with a broad (if grossly inaccurate) brush of revulsion.

[HomerThompson]

Wow, one extreme or the other. You know, things in life aren't so black and white.

[jjcool]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

While I would love to see a good release of the original version of the original trilogy, this conversation does make me laugh too. We see alternate versions of other films released all the time that replace the original theatrical cuts and no one seems to care about those. Why does no one complain that the theatrical cut of Highlander hasn't been released? Because it isn't Star Wars. If it is Star Wars, then it is a big deal but if it is a less successful or liked film, then meh - no big deal. It isn't about releasing what was originally released or the director's cut or anything like that, it is about releasing the version you like best. I am like everyone else, I would love to see the original version on Blu-ray but in the end, Lucas owned them and could do whatever he wanted with them. I don't see these kinds of complaints asking Windows to bring back XP because it was so much better than we have now. Does it make him a bit of a hypocrite? For sure but then again, success and money tends to do that to people.

It depends where you are looking. Depending on the changes made, I am not a Highlander fan so I don't know what changes there are between Director's cut and Theatrical, I would say that there may very well be people out there that are pissed about them. The caveat here is that there are most likely a lot more die hard Star Wars fans around than die hard Highlander fans. In short the number of people that "care" are less for Highlander. That is why it may appear to you that "no one cares". The other possibility is that the changes were to the betterment of the film. In the case of Star Wars, the changes were universally panned as being a reduction in quality of the films, with some of the most egregious changes sparking great vengeance and furious anger on many an internet forum. I seem to remember some changes in ET that Spielberg made where guns were changed to walkie talkies or vice versa that caused a similar uproar.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by jjcool

It depends where you are looking. Depending on the changes made, I am not a Highlander fan so I don't know what changes there are between Director's cut and Theatrical, I would say that there may very well be people out there that are pissed about them. The caveat here is that there are most likely a lot more die hard Star Wars fans around than die hard Highlander fans. In short the number of people that "care" are less for Highlander. That is why it may appear to you that "no one cares". The other possibility is that the changes were to the betterment of the film. In the case of Star Wars, the changes were universally panned as being a reduction in quality of the films, with some of the most egregious changes sparking great vengeance and furious anger on many an internet forum. I seem to remember some changes in ET that Spielberg made where guns were changed to walkie talkies or vice versa that caused a similar uproar.

Yeah that was for E.T.'s 20th Anniversary, like how the SE's of SW were for the first SW's 20th Anniversary. However, Spielberg has since said he regrets the changes and tells fans to just watch the original. This is why the BluRay of E.T. has the original cut only. While I personally prefer things left untouched, I wouldnt have objected if he had included both cuts on the BluRay like he did on the first DVD release back in 2002. Funny how Spielberg claims that NO more changes will be made to his films, even claiming that the wires in 1941 will still be present on the BluRay, Ive still noticed 'tweaks' done on some of the reissues of his films. The wire balancing the buoy in Jaws is missing on the BluRay, the snake reflection is still missing in Raiders, and the new sound effects added for the enhanced E.T. are still present in the mix used for the original cut. For the record, Im not complaining since these are 'tweaks' that, while not necessarily preserving its original presentation, Im willing to live with. I just wanted to point them out.