Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Is it? It's another movie about a band of Rebels coming together to defeat a weapon that can destroy planets. I mean it looks cool and the cast looks great, but I'm not gonna call it original til I see it.

I thought it was about stealing the plans and the sacrfice they endured in doing so.

I thought Force Awakens was original as well, at least as original as the other stories that built on fimiliar themes.

[CrowFan]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

This may sound crazy, but I actually get more annoyed with C3PO as time goes on than JarJar. It could be how I feel about the way Ken Baker was treated, or just rather the whole pompus way he is handled.

JarJar is just another corny character to me that serves as the idiot he is (or not if you believe rumors), but also a much larger picture of how government can be fractured and corrupted by the wave of a wand.

The prequels explore this and how the parallels of that dsngerous thinking can bleed into corruoting eventhe Jedi's protection that produes fatal results.

The Saga is now meant to be seen in order, and Lucas put in beats to serve that. This is after having the stand alone version, the OT. Pretty cool if you ask me. There are versions for everyone. I will never agree with Lucas destroying negatives, but still the OT was available so many times.

Thx for duscussion!

For me Jar Jar is the absolute worst character, but I will agree that C3P0 has gotten away with murder in the "most annoying characters that slipped under the radar" dept. And Han reminds us from time to time haha.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I thought it was about stealing the plans and the sacrfice they endured in doing so.

I thought Force Awakens was original as well, at least as original as the other stories that built on fimiliar themes.

Well yeah, that is what Rogue One is about, but even in the trailers we've seen some scenes that already look very close to scenes from other Star Wars movies (rebels around a table looking at a Death Star hologram, an X-Wing assault on a planet/weapons system, the Death Star itself destroying a planet, etc.). Familiar themes is one thing, repeating plot points is another. TFA is the type of movie that's superficially entertaining for me but does nothing more than that. Nothing wrong with that, but the other Episodes do much more for me (except maybe Jedi). But I'm hoping for the best with Rogue One; even with all the reshoots and last-minute composer change, the cast and director are too good for me to think this'll be a missed opportunity.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

How did you watch them? VHS? LD? Some special theatrical screening?

LD... Sort of.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Well yeah, that is what Rogue One is about, but even in the trailers we've seen some scenes that already look very close to scenes from other Star Wars movies (rebels around a table looking at a Death Star hologram, an X-Wing assault on a planet/weapons system, the Death Star itself destroying a planet, etc.). Familiar themes is one thing, repeating plot points is another. TFA is the type of movie that's superficially entertaining for me but does nothing more than that. Nothing wrong with that, but the other Episodes do much more for me (except maybe Jedi). But I'm hoping for the best with Rogue One; even with all the reshoots and last-minute composer change, the cast and director are too good for me to think this'll be a missed opportunity.

I do agree with you about recycled themes, but after the OT that is pretty much what happened on purpose.

Ep I II and III were supposed to align, and VII-IX will follow suit.

As for Rogue, it should have lots of simar parts because it is covering what already happened.

What I look forward to is the propef use of the 65mm digital camera Alexa 65.

I don't think the films made so far quite capture the possibilities of a high action balls to wall looking and sounding masterpiece.

One can only hope. Can't be worse than Allegiant underusing the tech.

[dubious]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I don't think the films made so far quite capture the possibilities of a high action balls to wall looking and sounding masterpiece.

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Star Wars could use it's Matrix Reloaded freeway chase moment.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by dubious

Star Wars could use it's Matrix Reloaded freeway chase moment.

Um, I meant the films made so far with the Alexa 65 camera. No Star Wars film has used it so far, and I am saying an entry would be a perfect candidate.

Anyone that thinks Star Wars as a series is devoid of action needs their head examined.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Um, I meant the films made so far with the Alexa 65 camera. No Star Wars film has used it so far, and I am saying an entry would be a perfect candidate.

Anyone that thinks Star Wars as a series is devoid of action needs their head examined.

I was about to say...

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by MasturB

I'm looking forward to Rogue One as its' the first original Star Wars movie to come out in 11 years.

If we overlook Dark Forces.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

I was about to say...

Thats the problem. People will jump to conclusions instead of using the clues they are given and trying to understand the original creators intent.

Worse yet they will repeat info second hand and pretend they know the whole story instead of going back to the source.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Well said... a lot of appreciating the prequels, for me, is appreciating INTENTION rather than EXECUTION. Also appreciating where Lucas' intention came from. A lot of the corny dialogue is straight outta the old FLASH GORDON serials, while much of the other inspiration is straight out of Kurosawa flicks... including ol' Jar Jar, who is a terrible representation of the Kurosawa peasant character. In movies like SEVEN SAMURAI and HIDDEN FORTRESS, the peasants (with their exaggeratedly slapstick, almost Kabuki performances) served as the eyes of the audience, since the samurai characters were so "elevated". Lucas was trying to do the same thing with the Jar Jar / Jedi relationship. Again... bad execution, but good intention that I can totally get behind.

I can grit my teeth through even the worst moment of the prequels if its inspiration originates in classic cinema! And the always-excellent work of John Williams and Ben Burtt goes a long way in smoothing the whole thing out, in my opinion... even if their contributions are sometimes at odds with each other!

Indiana Jones and the original Star Wars movies are also homages to those serials, but they're also not poorly executed or written poorly. The idea of that being a defense of the prequels is just laughable, no offense.

[dubious]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Anyone that thinks Star Wars as a series is devoid of action needs their head examined.

Star Wars action sequences are usually broken up between multiple simultaneous stories running, getting a solid 15-minute high octane action sequence following a single subject would be be something completely different than what's been offered so far in the franchise.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Arawn

If we overlook Dark Forces.

Not a movie, it's a video game.

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Indiana Jones and the original Star Wars movies are also homages to those serials, but they're also not poorly executed or written poorly. The idea of that being a defense of the prequels is just laughable, no offense.

Offense taken. Screw you... no offense... but I found a way to actively enjoy the prequels on that level, after ten years of despising them. I'm not trying to tell YOU how to think, but to me that's a valid reason for finding "good" in them. God, I hate these f'ing forums.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Not a movie, it's a video game.

Doesn't make the premise any more original.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by dubious

Star Wars action sequences are usually broken up between multiple simultaneous stories running, getting a solid 15-minute high octane action sequence following a single subject would be be something completely different than what's been offered so far in the franchise.

The prequels, sequels, all do this and they have great action sequences which make them good demo material because not only are the subdued scenes beautiful to look at, but they are supplemented with parallells that juxtapose or feed off each other.

The Star Wars saga was made for big screens that have the quality input to match.

Even naysayers that crap all over Episode I. If they do so without a 6 channel setup in proper HD they are talking out their ass because that kind of action is to be seen to be believed. The 3D version of Ep. I is something I would like to re-experience.

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Indiana Jones and the original Star Wars movies are also homages to those serials, but they're also not poorly executed or written poorly. The idea of that being a defense of the prequels is just laughable, no offense.

The prequels are neither poorly written or badly executed. They only seem that way to some followers of the original trilogy. It is like the Lucas bashing. It has no real place, but yet there it is like a cult that will just grow and grow.

However, people forget the pitfalls in the old trilogy and the fact that Mark Hamil or Carrie Fisher were really not that great and just part of a much bigger story.

When I see Carrie Fisher in Return, I see a cracked out almost cue card performance. It is obviously a pay check from an aging cast with great performances sprinkled around in spots.

This is me not bashing the OT, but rather putting it in perspective.

The prequels have lots of great moments and the writing is fine. I think the sum is greater than its parts, because the "parts" make me revert back to the single Star Wars movie if that is how it has to be.

The only way I watch the movies now is 1-7 in order. This is coming from someone that grew up with the OT and saw the original in the drive in on first release in 70mm.

Once seen that way, it is the superior way to see it in final form. Sorry Abrams, I feel you are dead wrong.

[Hardback247]

If the movies were meant to be seen in episodic order, then it would spoil the twist that Vader is Luke's father. Not ever kid knows it, as this video proves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHSAD1d-Mdk

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

If the movies were meant to be seen in episodic order, then it would spoil the reveal that Vader is Luke's father.

The "reveal" was to sell a story, a much larger story, and obviousky to finance 6 films...and now even more.

If you see it as a new fan has, the "reveal" is actually changed to anticipation of Luke finding out what a new viewer that knows the story from the beginning has already appreciated.

People that worship the OT won't understand this because they only see it one way. Same with the reintroduction of Yoda. It is still magical, but in a different way. A way that Lucas always had in his head, but couldn't afford to film.

Sure there were changes and peraps may have been 12 films, but cut cost means stories had to be condensed.

I give as advice to see with unprejudiced eyes and try to forget what you already know. I accepted what I saw when I was young was an unfinshed story and was nowhere near as big as Annakin's superior story. I always loved Darth Vader more, and it was only reinforced as I got older. I am thankful for what Lucas gave once I uncrossed my arms and gave it a chance.

[Mighty Max]

TPM is horrendous looking on my UHD TV.
I can barely watch it!

Edge enhancment, fake grain, wax, smears and blurryness... omg!
Last time I saw this movie was on dvd!

This film needs to be fixed!

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Doesn't make the premise any more original.

But... you called it a movie.