Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

Can someone please explain what the following statment means by Disney ?

Disney is considering whipping the prequel trilogy from official cannon all-together !

Where did you see this quote?

[zafisher94]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

Can someone please explain what the following statment means by Disney ?

Disney is considering whipping the prequel trilogy from official cannon all-together !

It's clearly BS, or else Episode VII is really Episode IV. Not that I think this would ever happen, but it would be a ridiculous decision, no matter how many people may loathe the PT.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

If these movies do come out when do you guys think it will be ? I think around 2016 when Star Wars: Episode VII hits blu ray .

I would say when VII comes to theaters is much more likely. A 1-7 box set would make little sense, plus Disney will want to release 7 on their own and not have Fox involved. I would guess Disney and Fox will team up for a new 1-6 box set and then all of Disney's new stuff will be treated separately.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

Can someone please explain what the following statment means by Disney ?

Disney is considering whipping the prequel trilogy from official cannon all-together !

They'll never get rid of Episodes 1-3 from canon, but I could easily see JJ Abrams basically ignore them when he makes his trilogy. It could easily end up that nothing from the prequels is mentioned or directly referenced in 7-9, so that people can ignore 1-3 if they want.

[Cobra Kai]

Originally Posted by Shin sam

Spot on. This is the problem with the Bonus DVD version ( from laser disc ) of a New Hope. The last line of dialogue from Beru, "I think so" , is from the stereo mix, not the mono. Really gets my goat!!

The audio track on the bonus disc was taken from the 1993 master track which was basically the original stereo mix with a few additions. The original mono mix has never been included on any home release, although the special edition audio used a lot of the mono mix changes.

It would be a nice addition to a theatrical blu ray, but my preference will always be the stereo mix. The mono mix has a few things that I just don't like. The additional c-3po lines in the control room are fine, except that it is obvious the audio was recorded later and under different settings, so it really sticks out like a sore thumb and is distracting. Also, there is the bizarre addition of a hand gun sound effect that they used when Leia is shooting the blaster at the chasm. I also don't like the addition of the "close the blast doors" line, as well as a few other minor changes.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

They'll never get rid of Episodes 1-3 from canon, but I could easily see JJ Abrams basically ignore them when he makes his trilogy. It could easily end up that nothing from the prequels is mentioned or directly referenced in 7-9, so that people can ignore 1-3 if they want.

I am happy with that i just hope EP VII will be just as good as the OT.

[thebard]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

They'll never get rid of Episodes 1-3 from canon, but I could easily see JJ Abrams basically ignore them when he makes his trilogy. It could easily end up that nothing from the prequels is mentioned or directly referenced in 7-9, so that people can ignore 1-3 if they want.

^ I agree.
I can also see Abrams eschewing some of the "expected" Star Wars film conventions, to set these movies apart and basically tell the audience "this I not your grandpa's Star Wars". It's not really his filming style, for example, to jump right to an opening crawl, or use prominent wipes, etc.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

I am happy with that i just hope EP VII will be just as good as the OT.

Yeah, I have no idea what to expect. It could end up amazing and really capture that feel of the original trilogy, or it could end up being really embarrassing. I could see it going either way.

I really disliked his Star Trek movies, but more because of the writing and the change in tone from the previous material. He might knock Star Wars out of the park...

[KrugStillo]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Yeah, I have no idea what to expect. It could end up amazing and really capture that feel of the original trilogy, or it could end up being really embarrassing. I could see it going either way.

I really disliked his Star Trek movies, but more because of the writing and the change in tone from the previous material. He might knock Star Wars out of the park...

I felt like the new Star trek movies felt more like Star Wars movies anyway. So with that in mind we could get lucky.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by thebard

^ I agree.
I can also see Abrams eschewing some of the "expected" Star Wars film conventions, to set these movies apart and basically tell the audience "this I not your grandpa's Star Wars". It's not really his filming style, for example, to jump right to an opening crawl, or use prominent wipes, etc.

I'd be fine with Abrams' style coming through, I expect it even, but I really, really wouldn't want him to drop the opening crawl. It's such a big, essential part of what makes Star Wars, well, Star Wars. That alone would make it difficult to see this as a true continuation of the saga for me, and I get the impression linking this to previous movies, particularly the OT, is something they're going to try their hardest to do.

[spanky87]

Come on now, JJ Abrams isn't dropping the title and opening crawl sequence. Not even a slight chance of that happening.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by spanky87

Come on now, JJ Abrams isn't dropping the title and opening crawl sequence. Not even a slight chance of that happening.

I agree.

However I also never thought they would mess with the traditional James Bond barrel opening, and they did.

[Geoff D]

Abrams' Star Trek movies were Trek in name only (TINO?) and I've always regarded them as glorified Star Wars demo reels, so I've got every confidence that JJ will deliver a movie with the sense of fun and adventure and knockabout action which characterised the OT. He's gotta ditch the lens flares though, I mean I love 'em but they just ain't right for Star Wars.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I agree.

However I also never thought they would mess with the traditional James Bond barrel opening, and they did.

They did that because the series was rebooted, they were entitled to play around with it a bit (though there technically is one at the start of Casino Royale).

Star Wars is not being rebooted and will fall in line with existing canon and filmmaking tropes (hence the whole 'Episode VII' thing ) so there's not a chance they'll mess with the crawl.

Besides, what will be the point of going on this (rumoured) big nostalgia kick if they're only gonna throw out certain SW touchstones on the new films? Lucas himself was guilty of this, leaving out the in-cockpit 'jump to hyperspace' effect in the prequels because he wanted to preserve its appearance in the OT. As with so much of what he did, it's a logical decision in principal but it creates yet another discord between the visuals of the two trilogies.

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Abrams' Star Trek movies were Trek in name only (TINO?) and I've always regarded them as glorified Star Wars demo reels, so I've got every confidence that JJ will deliver a movie with the sense of fun and adventure and knockabout action which characterised the OT. He's gotta ditch the lens flares though, I mean I love 'em but they just ain't right for Star Wars.

I don't like Abrams' Star Trek movies at all, but people really need to get over this lens flare business. I think it's become something that people just repeat from one another. Am I missing something? The use of CG lens flare is nothing new, it's been seen in countless films and games before the new Star Trek, so why are people freaking out about it now? Because it was used on the interior shots on the bridge?

[thebard]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I'd be fine with Abrams' style coming through, I expect it even, but I really, really wouldn't want him to drop the opening crawl. It's such a big, essential part of what makes Star Wars, well, Star Wars. That alone would make it difficult to see this as a true continuation of the saga for me, and I get the impression linking this to previous movies, particularly the OT, is something they're going to try their hardest to do.

Originally Posted by spanky87

Come on now, JJ Abrams isn't dropping the title and opening crawl sequence. Not even a slight chance of that happening.

Read my post. I said nothing about dropping the opening crawl. But he usually builds up to his title with an opening scene, so I could see him not jumping right to it.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by JimmyTwoTimes

I don't like Abrams' Star Trek movies at all, but people really need to get over this lens flare business. I think it's become something that people just repeat from one another. Am I missing something? The use of CG lens flare is nothing new, it's been seen in countless films and games before the new Star Trek, so why are people freaking out about it now? Because it was used on the interior shots on the bridge?

He just overdoes it, that's all. People noticed and mentioned it, then it became a thing people talk about when he comes up. There are some youtube videos showing just how much lens flare he uses. It's kind of crazy.

[Cobra Kai]

Originally Posted by JimmyTwoTimes

I don't like Abrams' Star Trek movies at all, but people really need to get over this lens flare business. I think it's become something that people just repeat from one another. Am I missing something? The use of CG lens flare is nothing new, it's been seen in countless films and games before the new Star Trek, so why are people freaking out about it now? Because it was used on the interior shots on the bridge?

It's not CG. But you're right it's been around a while, and I actually never even really noticed it until all the internet fuss over it. Lens flares are all over the place in movies like Die Hard and Close Encounters. It's just what happens when light hits an anamorphic lens in a certain way. I actually wouldn't be surprised if it was Close Encounters that first inspired this - although I doubt Spielberg intentionally created flares as Abrams does.
I agree that he got a bit carried away with them in trek, but I understand how he wanted a certain visual effect to help create the movies' unique atmosphere and vision of the future. I don't mind them at all, but I doubt we'll see any in EPVII anyway, as it probably wouldn't really gel with the traditional look and feel of the OT.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by JimmyTwoTimes

I don't like Abrams' Star Trek movies at all, but people really need to get over this lens flare business. I think it's become something that people just repeat from one another. Am I missing something? The use of CG lens flare is nothing new, it's been seen in countless films and games before the new Star Trek, so why are people freaking out about it now? Because it was used on the interior shots on the bridge?

Did you not read the bit where I said that I like the lens flares? I gots no problem with them in Star Trek, as JJ used them as a visual motif to inject a kind of 'real world' randomness into the images. But IMO there's no place for such an overuse of the effect in Star Wars' aesthetic, because it's not about a futuristic extension of the real world. It's pure space fantasy, and the photography needs to reflect that.

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Did you not read the bit where I said that I like the lens flares? I gots no problem with them in Star Trek, as JJ used them as a visual motif to inject a kind of 'real world' randomness into the images (sometimes to the detriment of the image underneath, atmittedly). But IMO there's no place for them in Star Wars' aesthetic, because it's not about a futuristic extension of the real world. It's pure space fantasy, and the photography needs to reflect that.

I like the lens flares as well, but I agree in that I don't think Abrams will use them (or use them sparingly) in EPVIII.