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Gamekid · 08-01-2008, 04:18 AM

I'm confused about something. Sony has made several ps3 models. The first two at launch had ps1 and ps2 chips inside which gave the machine hardware support for ps1 and ps2 games. Starting with the 80 GB model, Sony went for software emulation, which would mean supporting ps1 and ps2 games without hardware. The latest model, the 40 GB has no support at all for ps2 games, although there has been some talk of adding in an emulator. Is software emulation and emulators the same thing?

Ascended_Saiyan · 08-01-2008, 04:31 AM

Software emulation is the process of emulating another device.

A software emulator is a program (or group of programs) that imitates (emulates) what goes on in another device.

Gamekid · 08-01-2008, 04:34 AM

The point is that if you took the 40 and added an emulator for ps2 games, wouldn't that be the same thing as geting the 80 that already has an emulator for ps2 games?

Ascended_Saiyan · 08-01-2008, 04:36 AM

One saves a ton of money of the life of the PS3 (because it's complete software emulation) and the other does not (the 80GB).

Gamekid · 08-01-2008, 04:42 AM

Does the 80 support ps2 games through software emulation completely?

Ascended_Saiyan · 08-01-2008, 04:44 AM

No

ADRiiAN` · 08-01-2008, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamekid

The point is that if you took the 40 and added an emulator for ps2 games, wouldn't that be the same thing as geting the 80 that already has an emulator for ps2 games?

Very good question.

I'm guessing that the 80GB actually had a piece of hardware that enables the software emulation that they removed in the 40GB.

I mean, if it's just software, why remove it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamekid

Does the 80 support ps2 games through software emulation completely?

The OLD 80GB = Yes (Supposely there is no hardware, it's strictly software, which is why it supports less PS2 games than the 60GB)

The NEW 80GB = No

Gamekid · 08-01-2008, 04:48 AM

With the 40, the idea is to not have any support for ps2 games, yet some sony fans would complain about that even though the 40 would sell for less money. Why add take out support for ps1 games completely? although I think that I may have asked that on here before. If you want support for all three categories of games, you should pay more, if you don't then you should pay less, that sound's fair to me.

Ascended_Saiyan · 08-01-2008, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADRiiAN`

Very good question.

I'm guessing that the 80GB actually had a piece of hardware that enables the software emulation that they removed in the 40GB.

I mean, if it's just software, why remove it?

The OLD 80GB = Yes (Supposely there is no hardware, it's strictly software, which is why it supports less PS2 games than the 60GB)

The NEW 80GB = No

Nope. No 80GB had complete software emulation. Only the EE was emulated via software. The GS hardware had/has to be internal.

ADRiiAN` · 08-01-2008, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

Nope. No 80GB had complete software emulation. Only the EE was emulated via software. The GS hardware had/has to be internal.

That would make sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

So with the 40Gb, the GS was removed.

Ascended_Saiyan · 08-01-2008, 05:05 AM

Yes. I would expect it to be removed from the 80GB by the end of Sony's fiscal year. I think the complete software emulation will be ready by that time.

Let's find out if I will be right about that one.

Icemage · 08-01-2008, 06:01 AM

All PS3 units play PS1 games (perhaps except made for a couple of obscure games, but I don't think anyone even cares).

The 20GB and 60GB units in North America and Japan all feature nearly complete BC, as they contain both PS2 graphics chip and its processor.

The 60GB EU model and the 80GB unit currently on the market feature partial BC. They have have the graphics chip, but have dispensed with the PS2 processor.

The 40GB unit in all territories have no PS2 BC.

The new 80GB unit is the same as the 40GB unit (no PS2 BC), and will be replacing both the existing 80GB and the existing 40GB units.

And I second the notion that Sony will likely have BC of some sort worked out in firmware by the holidays.

Ascended_Saiyan · 08-01-2008, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icemage

The new 80GB unit is the same as the 40GB unit (no PS2 BC), and will be replacing both the existing 80GB and the existing 40GB units.

I forgot about the recent 80GB announcement to switch out the 40GB HDD for a 80GB one. So, that's what he meant by NEW 80GB. I was thinking he meant the ones currently out. Yep, no PS2 hardware in that one, when it comes out.

08-01-2008, 04:18 AM	#1
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	Confused I'm confused about something. Sony has made several ps3 models. The first two at launch had ps1 and ps2 chips inside which gave the machine hardware support for ps1 and ps2 games. Starting with the 80 GB model, Sony went for software emulation, which would mean supporting ps1 and ps2 games without hardware. The latest model, the 40 GB has no support at all for ps2 games, although there has been some talk of adding in an emulator. Is software emulation and emulators the same thing?

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08-01-2008, 04:31 AM	#2
Ascended_Saiyan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Atlanta, Georgia Blu-ray collection:608 Trading Score:1	Software emulation is the process of emulating another device. A software emulator is a program (or group of programs) that imitates (emulates) what goes on in another device.

08-01-2008, 04:34 AM	#3
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	The point is that if you took the 40 and added an emulator for ps2 games, wouldn't that be the same thing as geting the 80 that already has an emulator for ps2 games?

08-01-2008, 04:36 AM	#4
Ascended_Saiyan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Atlanta, Georgia Blu-ray collection:608 Trading Score:1	One saves a ton of money of the life of the PS3 (because it's complete software emulation) and the other does not (the 80GB).

08-01-2008, 04:42 AM	#5
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	Does the 80 support ps2 games through software emulation completely?

08-01-2008, 04:44 AM	#6
Ascended_Saiyan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Atlanta, Georgia Blu-ray collection:608 Trading Score:1	No

08-01-2008, 04:48 AM	#8
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	With the 40, the idea is to not have any support for ps2 games, yet some sony fans would complain about that even though the 40 would sell for less money. Why add take out support for ps1 games completely? although I think that I may have asked that on here before. If you want support for all three categories of games, you should pay more, if you don't then you should pay less, that sound's fair to me.

08-01-2008, 05:05 AM	#11
Ascended_Saiyan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Atlanta, Georgia Blu-ray collection:608 Trading Score:1	Yes. I would expect it to be removed from the 80GB by the end of Sony's fiscal year. I think the complete software emulation will be ready by that time. Let's find out if I will be right about that one.

08-01-2008, 06:01 AM	#12
Icemage Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007	All PS3 units play PS1 games (perhaps except made for a couple of obscure games, but I don't think anyone even cares). The 20GB and 60GB units in North America and Japan all feature nearly complete BC, as they contain both PS2 graphics chip and its processor. The 60GB EU model and the 80GB unit currently on the market feature partial BC. They have have the graphics chip, but have dispensed with the PS2 processor. The 40GB unit in all territories have no PS2 BC. The new 80GB unit is the same as the 40GB unit (no PS2 BC), and will be replacing both the existing 80GB and the existing 40GB units. And I second the notion that Sony will likely have BC of some sort worked out in firmware by the holidays.

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