HTPC vs PS3 as a media center.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by prerich

Does the PS3 have more in common with an HTPC than a gaming console and is that the PS3's real target - the computing industry?

That's why MS got into consoles .. Crazy Ken back in the late 90's stated the Playstation brand would be the trojan horse into the living room .. for more than just gaming..same market MS was approaching from the PC side.

MS wants you to buy a gaming console plus a PC given their heritage - windows. Sony wants the mainstream to buy a single hardware device given their CE background.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

That's why MS got into consoles .. Crazy Ken back in the late 90's stated the Playstation brand would be the trojan horse into the living room .. for more than just gaming..same market MS was approaching from the PC side.

MS wants you to buy a gaming console plus a PC given their heritage - windows. Sony wants the mainstream to buy a single hardware device given their CE background.

Thus we are agreed with Sony's real vendetta.

[brett_day]

MS wants you to buy a gaming console plus a PC given their heritage - windows. Sony wants the mainstream to buy a single hardware device given their CE background.

not to sure i agree with this statement...why would sony want to harm the incredible amount of income it is making from it's vaio line of pc's

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Colorado Blu Skies

Honestly why is there even a debate for this? Without the help of the PS3 blu-ray would more than likely still be battling it out with HD DVD... are you that hard up to find something to argue about.

Not arguing - we are discussing - if you read my post, I actually agree with PS3 people on somethings. I owe no loyalty to the PS3 for ending the war, infact I don't atribute that to the PS3 - WB gets that blue ribbon. Now that the software issue is over - I like to talk hardware and compare - that's all. I like good intelligent discussion and thats what I've seen in most of the post in this thread whether pro/con HTPC or pro/con PS3.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by brett_day

not to sure i agree with this statement...why would sony want to harm the incredible amount of income it is making from it's vaio line of pc's

One machine to rule them all...its also hurting its line of standalone BD players.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

keeping up to date with patches and drivers etc just got old as I got older and more kids arrived.

LOL! You're still raising kids and I'm all done - explaines why I may need more things to occupy my free time

You'll like it once it's over but you won't trade the experience for the world (raising children).

[brett_day]

Originally Posted by prerich

One machine to rule them all...its also hurting its line of standalone BD players.

maybe one day 1 machine will rule them all....that would be nice but super freakin expensive

and yep, you're right. the PS3 is harming the sale of standalone blu ray players at the moment, because it is the best blu ray player on the market right now and the only one (apart from HTPC) that is profile 2.0.

I do believe that when prices drop and specs are improved to match the ps3 stand alone unit sales will pick up and the incredible rate of sale that the ps3 has been enjoying will begin to slow.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by prerich

Thus we are agreed with Sony's real vendetta.

More like market research and looking to the future... the Xbox was the vendetta..and the media bias this generation is an extension of it.

[Colorado Blu Skies]

Originally Posted by prerich

Not arguing - we are discussing - if you read my post, I actually agree with PS3 people on somethings. I owe no loyalty to the PS3 for ending the war, infact I don't atribute that to the PS3 - WB gets that blue ribbon. Now that the software issue is over - I like to talk hardware and compare - that's all. I like good intelligent discussion and thats what I've seen in most of the post in this thread whether pro/con HTPC or pro/con PS3.

Why did WB decide to go Blu... due to media sales right? The majority of Blu owners own what... PS3 right? The whole PC vs. console argument has been going on for a long time... why not own both? I plan on building an HTPC to take over for my PS3's Blu-ray duties.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Colorado Blu Skies

Why did WB decide to go Blu... due to media sales right? The majority of Blu owners own what... PS3 right? The whole PC vs. console argument has been going on for a long time... why not own both? I plan on building an HTPC to take over for my PS3's Blu-ray duties.

Nothing wrong with that - but why do you want an HTPC when you already have a PS3 and another PS3 would be cheaper. (I'm just trying to get your reasoning - because there has to be a reason that you would want an HTPC).

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by brett_day

not to sure i agree with this statement...why would sony want to harm the incredible amount of income it is making from it's vaio line of pc's

Well one thing is the influence the Playstation brand has over the company .. and the second is I think they believe that for *mainstream* users .. a single plug and play device with a lower price point being connected to the HDTV is the way to go. Nothing wrong with their PC lines ...but for this market the CE background is playing out .. IMO. It's not that they are harming it ... rather than which one will succeed.

[Colorado Blu Skies]

Originally Posted by prerich

Nothing wrong with that - but why do you want an HTPC when you already have a PS3 and another PS3 would be cheaper. (I'm just trying to get your reasoning - because there has to be a reason that you would want an HTPC).

Because I enjoy building PC's and really don't like any stand-alone players in the market. I guess my point to this whole thing is this:

People who "know" what it takes to build and maintain an HTPC are going to go that route (in my case and perhaps others eventually)... same for people who don't. They are not going to go that route and go with a stand-alone or ps3 if they like gaming.

I guess I am just seeing this discussion a little differently...

[brett_day]

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

Well one thing is the influence the Playstation brand has over the company .. and the second is I think they believe that for *mainstream* users .. a single plug and play device with a lower price point being connected to the HDTV is the way to go. Nothing wrong with their PC lines ...but for this market the CE background is playing out .. IMO. It's not that they are harming it ... rather than which one will succeed.

i believe that both can co-exist and both be successful....look at the discussion that myself and prerich have been having...some people prefer PC's due to the benefits of tweaking, some people like the ps3 for its convenience and ease of use. If there were to be one unit for all, you would be taking away both of the elements that drive people to the individual systems...

pc users will feel short changed due to the lack of tweeks that can be made and the ps3 users will feel hard done by because the ease of use will probably suffer...some people like complicated, some like simple....solution? offer products to appease both types of consumer

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by prerich

Not arguing - we are discussing - if you read my post, I actually agree with PS3 people on somethings. I owe no loyalty to the PS3 for ending the war, infact I don't atribute that to the PS3 - WB gets that blue ribbon. Now that the software issue is over - I like to talk hardware and compare - that's all. I like good intelligent discussion and thats what I've seen in most of the post in this thread whether pro/con HTPC or pro/con PS3.

A better analogy would be a relay. The PS3 ran the first 3 legs (supported by Disney) in order to provide enough of a lead and incentive to close the deal. WB at least had the balls (kudos to them) to grab the baton instead of fumbling it like Paramount et al..

[Colorado Blu Skies]

Originally Posted by brett_day

i believe that both can co-exist and both be successful....look at the discussion that myself and prerich have been having...some people prefer PC's due to the benefits of tweaking, some people like the ps3 for its convenience and ease of use. If there were to be one unit for all, you would be taking away both of the elements that drive people to the individual systems...

pc users will feel short changed due to the lack of tweeks that can be made and the ps3 users will feel hard done by because the ease of use will probably suffer...some people like complicated, some like simple....solution? offer products to appease both types of consumer

Exactly....

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by brett_day

i believe that both can co-exist and both be successful....look at the discussion that myself and prerich have been having...some people prefer PC's due to the benefits of tweaking, some people like the ps3 for its convenience and ease of use. If there were to be one unit for all, you would be taking away both of the elements that drive people to the individual systems...

pc users will feel short changed due to the lack of tweeks that can be made and the ps3 users will feel hard done by because the ease of use will probably suffer...some people like complicated, some like simple....solution? offer products to appease both types of consumer

I have no doubt they won't both have a place..my comment was more related to the different approaches based of the roots/xp of the companies.

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by caliminius

The max for 802.11g is 54mbps...the average speed is the 24mbps you stated. Regardless, the PS3 has gigabit ethernet so it can could benefit from that same service just like a PC. Sure, you can toss 802.11n into a PC and give it a wireless edge.

The comment was about wireless.
These things have gigabit ethernet also... and?

While "g" is marketed as 54mbps, you will never get it.
The theoretical max it will achieve is ~24mbps.

As for "n"...
Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN

... I'm already there.

[caliminius]

Originally Posted by dadkins

The comment was about wireless.
These things have gigabit ethernet also... and?

Well, I believe you commented on internet speed. Even threw in the comments about gigabit ethernet being available in limited areas of CA. So the point is that you can't achieve gigabit speeds over 802.11n which leaves wired as the only way to achieve that speed. In that respect a PC and and a PS3 are a wash for internet speeds, except for the the fact that not all PC's come equipped with gigabit but every PS3 does.

While "g" is marketed as 54mbps, you will never get it.
The theoretical max it will achieve is ~24mbps.

Even 24mbps is still probably higher than the vast majority of internet users in the U.S. Thus it's a wash for probably 80% or more of the U.S. populous (but that's just a guess).

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Colorado Blu Skies

Because I enjoy building PC's and really don't like any stand-alone players in the market. I guess my point to this whole thing is this:

People who "know" what it takes to build and maintain an HTPC are going to go that route (in my case and perhaps others eventually)... same for people who don't. They are not going to go that route and go with a stand-alone or ps3 if they like gaming.

I guess I am just seeing this discussion a little differently...

Excellent post!!!!!

[prerich]

Originally Posted by dadkins

The comment was about wireless.
These things have gigabit ethernet also... and?

While "g" is marketed as 54mbps, you will never get it.
The theoretical max it will achieve is ~24mbps.

As for "n"...
Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN

... I'm already there.

You have always made the most use of HTPC ! Continue to enjoy as I will also!