Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Ernest Rister]

I just see the First Order as a reference to the Third Reich in WWII. Abrams and Kasdan weren't even hiding it.

[badfingerboogie]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I’m not even joking with my post above. Seeing Rogue One literally made me appreciate the prequels more than I used to. The prequels have a lot of fun moments in them. I didn’t find a single thing in Rogue One to be fun at all. Nor did it have a single interesting character. I thought it was one of the most boring, pointless movies I’ve ever seen.

Rogue One is trash cinema in my opinion, utterly soulless cashgrab.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by badfingerboogie

Rogue One is trash cinema in my opinion, utterly soulless cashgrab.

Rogue One should have been set between Empire and Jedi and should have been focused on Bothans!
We have YET to see a Bothan on screen!
As it is, I still love Rogue One.

[buck135]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Rogue One should have been set between Empire and Jedi and should have been focused on Bothans!
We have YET to see a Bothan on screen!
As it is, I still love Rogue One.

Why? The Emperor let them take the plans thinking the Death Star wasn't operational.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by buck135

Why? The Emperor let them take the plans thinking the Death Star wasn't operational.

But you don't know that until the end of Return of the Jedi.
There's no reason to spoil that in that hypothetical movie.

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by badfingerboogie

Rogue One is trash cinema in my opinion, utterly soulless cashgrab.

I actually didn't love ROGUE ONE; to me it was "fine", like an episode of REBELS. But I certainly didn't think it was "trash" or an "utterly soulless cashgrab"; that's a bit harsh. John Knoll, who originated the story idea, has been a longtime STAR WARS collaborator and is a true fan. I genuinely believe he's wanted to see this "stealing the Death Star plans" story for a long time. True wish fulfillment, for him. As for me, I never like prequels that over-explain something I used to enjoy imagining, so I never needed to see it in the first place (just like I do NOT need to see a young Han Solo and the Kessel Run)... but I think the heart and "soul" of ROGUE ONE were in the right place, when they were making it.

[buck135]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

But you don't know that until the end of Return of the Jedi.
There's no reason to spoil that in that hypothetical movie.

I guess. Seems anticlimactic though. I'm sure they'll get to it eventually regardless.

[CinemaBlu]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Rogue One should have been set between Empire and Jedi and should have been focused on Bothans!
We have YET to see a Bothan on screen!
As it is, I still love Rogue One.

That's for the sequel.

Rogue One 2: The Adventures of Manolo Bothans

[ambient_indie]

I LIKE Rogue One. That last act on Scariff is so good. But I never felt any connection with these characters the same way I felt with Rey, Fin, Poe, or Kylo. Maybe it just shows how good the cast is and the acting in the Force Awakens. That film isn't a masterpiece by any means either, but I felt that connection that I didn't in Rogue One.

So when the ending happened..

[Show spoiler]instead of thinking "oh man, Jin and Cassian died. NOOOOOOOOOO!" It was actually, "oh Disney/Lucasfilm are doing this. Wow. Ballsy." And that film needed us to care when they died.
And in someways I cared more for the bigger picture. So when Vader kills off rebels and Leia gets the plans we see how their sacrifice impacts the saga.
That's probably Rogue One's biggest saving grace.

But I still like Rogue One. Just not as much as the original trilogy and even The Force Awakens. Warts and all.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by ambient_indie

I LIKE Rogue One. That last act on Scariff is so good. But I never felt any connection with these characters the same way I felt with Rey, Fin, Poe, or Kylo. Maybe it just shows how good the cast is and the acting in the Force Awakens. That film isn't a masterpiece by any means either, but I felt that connection that I didn't in Rogue One.

The cast in Rogue One is outstanding. It's not their fault the script and director undernourished the characters.

[bobbyh64]

Can Disney at least take the LaserDisc versions of the OT and release them on anamorphic DVDs?

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by ambient_indie

I LIKE Rogue One. That last act on Scariff is so good. But I never felt any connection with these characters the same way I felt with Rey, Fin, Poe, or Kylo. Maybe it just shows how good the cast is and the acting in the Force Awakens. That film isn't a masterpiece by any means either, but I felt that connection that I didn't in Rogue One.

So when the ending happened..

[Show spoiler]instead of thinking "oh man, Jin and Cassian died. NOOOOOOOOOO!" It was actually, "oh Disney/Lucasfilm are doing this. Wow. Ballsy." And that film needed us to care when they died.
And in someways I cared more for the bigger picture. So when Vader kills off rebels and Leia gets the plans we see how their sacrifice impacts the saga.
That's probably Rogue One's biggest saving grace.

But I still like Rogue One. Just not as much as the original trilogy and even The Force Awakens. Warts and all.

Why are people shocked

[Show spoiler]that everyone dies in Rogue one? They HAVE to, and I always knew even before the movie was released that they would. They are NOT in A New Hope for a reason. It was pretty obvious to me that they would die.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by ambient_indie

I LIKE Rogue One. That last act on Scariff is so good. But I never felt any connection with these characters the same way I felt with Rey, Fin, Poe, or Kylo. Maybe it just shows how good the cast is and the acting in the Force Awakens. That film isn't a masterpiece by any means either, but I felt that connection that I didn't in Rogue One.

So when the ending happened..

[Show spoiler]instead of thinking "oh man, Jin and Cassian died. NOOOOOOOOOO!" It was actually, "oh Disney/Lucasfilm are doing this. Wow. Ballsy." And that film needed us to care when they died.
And in someways I cared more for the bigger picture. So when Vader kills off rebels and Leia gets the plans we see how their sacrifice impacts the saga.
That's probably Rogue One's biggest saving grace.

But I still like Rogue One. Just not as much as the original trilogy and even The Force Awakens. Warts and all.

I wasn't really connected to the characters either, save for K2
I had a feeling going in that each and every one would die.
I also kept thinking that Jyn would demonstrate some Force ability and it never happened.
Same with the blind monk, whose name eludes me at the moment.

But I liked the movie a lot. Probably because except for the very end, there was no real connection to the Skywalkers. No one was related to any of the other characters. It felt like the galaxy was more open. Empire kills that by relating Luke and Vader and Owen and Beru and Obi-Wan and Yoda, and Vader, and Boba and Leia. They all are interconnected.
It really felt like everything shrunk down.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Caleb C.

I feel the complete opposite. For me, the story of TFA isn't very logical at all. First, there's no excuse for Leia not being a Jedi. She is logically the first person that Luke would have trained.

Maybe she just didn't want to be a Jedi.

https://www.cbr.com/why-didnt-leia-b...rams-explains/

[JimSmith]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Why are people shocked

[Show spoiler]that everyone dies in Rogue one? They HAVE to, and I always knew even before the movie was released that they would. They are NOT in A New Hope for a reason. It was pretty obvious to me that they would die.

Yes and given the fact that a whole lot of people dies in wars it makes perfect sense that Jyn, Cassian and the rest of the gang would bravely give their lives for the Rebellion. They fought and died for what they believed in.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Caleb C.

I understand that the "happy ending" of ROTJ can't last forever. However, there could have been a new threat, which wasn't a rehashed Empire. I imagine that after ROTJ, there were likely still remants of the Empire out there in the galaxy. However, the New Republic would logically try to hunt these remnants down, and eliminate them. After 30 years, I can't imagine there being many Imperials left (certainly not enough to build another super-weapon). Maybe bring in a new threat, such as the Mandalorians, for the New Republic and Jedi Order to face.

Ultimately, everything I said means nothing, because TFA is what we got, and that's never going to change. I'm just very disappointed, because I feel like it could have been so much more.

Anyone who thinks the aftermath of a war only takes a few years should look at medieval/Renaissance Europe or the Middle East today. Those wars went for generations, often with the same combatants. Sure an all-new threat would have been interesting, but the current situation makes sense too. They also needed to keep the imagery familiar and Star Warsy for the general audience.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Anyone who thinks the aftermath of a war only takes a few years should look at medieval/Renaissance Europe or the Middle East today. Those wars went for generations, often with the same combatants. Sure an all-new threat would have been interesting, but the current situation makes sense too. They also needed to keep the imagery familiar and Star Warsy for the general audience.

*puts on sociology teacher hat*

I'll raise your statement and say it can last decades, especially the kind of scale we're talking about. The entire modern world of today was basically constructed as a response to WW1 and WW2, and nearly every single global conflict we run into today has roots going back to that.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

*puts on sociology teacher hat*

I'll raise your statement and say it can last decades, especially the kind of scale we're talking about. The entire modern world of today was basically constructed as a response to WW1 and WW2, and nearly every single global conflict we run into today has roots going back to that.

Exactly. Who's to say that the major conflicts going on in the ST can't stem from events that happened just 30 years earlier? It's not laziness in storytelling. It doesn't make the victories of the OT pointless. That's just how history works.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Anyone who thinks the aftermath of a war only takes a few years should look at medieval/Renaissance Europe or the Middle East today. Those wars went for generations, often with the same combatants. Sure an all-new threat would have been interesting, but the current situation makes sense too. They also needed to keep the imagery familiar and Star Warsy for the general audience.

Yes, but this is a fictional story and universe, where they can create anything at all from their imagination. TFA can be justified by lots of examples in the real world, but I think it’s clear that they just wanted to ape the OT, and reset the board back to Rebels vs The Empire, but slightly redressed and renamed.

In terms of the imagery, the prequels managed to create a bunch of new stuff, without just aping the OT. TFA could easily have done this, using completely new ships, or more evolved versions of the existing designs, but again, they just basically copied the OT designs.

It was obviously a conscious choice, and it paid off for them. But I think it’s a shame, at the very least from a visual and design perspective, as it’s stopped this trilogy from having a more unique aesthetic to allow it to stand on its own feet. Still, TLJ might still have some surprises that we haven’t seen yet, and we still have Episode 9 to go.

[Bladerunner5375]

Rogue One is a love letter to the original Star Wars(i REFUSE to call it "A New Hope"). As someone who saw the original trilogy during it's initial theatrical run, I feel Rogue One is a GREAT film. I adored it.

I place the films in this order:

Empire
Star Wars
Jedi
Rogue One
Sith
Phantom Menace
The Force Awakens
Attack of the Clones

I felt NOTHING for any of the new characters in TFA. I was PISSED OFF with what happened to Han Solo, and severely irked that Luke didn't show up until the last minute. WTF. Disney will get my money for "The Last Jedi", but ONLY for the chance to see Luke again.