Psycho (1960) (50th Anniversary Edition)

[Mikezilla3k]

Originally Posted by raylink

If it is the first time that I see this movie, which version do you recommend to see the theatrical or uncut version first?

Either cut will do.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by raylink

If it is the first time that I see this movie, which version do you recommend to see the theatrical or uncut version first?

Originally Posted by Mikezilla3k

Either cut will do.

I think there are only a few seconds of extra footage in the longer cut, and the shorter one is what the vast majority of people have been watching for nearly 60 years.

[thatguamguy]

The slightly less censored international version is kind of a tossup — the extra shot of Marion undressing is good for Norman’s character, the alternate take is maybe a slight improvement, but the extended stabbing is silly. For years, most Hitchcock scholars argued that Hitchcock had deliberately included those bits so that he could give the censors some cuts and still retain the shower scene intact. I don’t know if I believe that, but it would explain why he never fought to have anything restored, even when he was adapting to the new Hollywood tolerance for violence with “Frenzy”.

[GeoffOliver]

Even the second additional bit has a sloppy-looking cut where Norman's hands suddenly switch from left to right. I like the additional voyerism shot, but I don't think the other two add much.

I do think it's interesting that the "uncut" version of the third bit has cue marks/cigarette burns. I wonder if that's any kind of hint that the scenes were included in the original US theatrical print.

[koberulz]

What are the differences?

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by koberulz

What are the differences?

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1921

[stardragon9]

Got the German set from diabolikdvd. It is the standard edition (no lobby cards or posters, just the films themselves. A fantastic edition for a classic film!

[Akoutroubas]

I'd like to see the 1.33 version as well. I remember when Milton Arbogast calls Marion's sister. You can see the word GASOLINE behind the pay phone.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Akoutroubas

I'd like to see the 1.33 version as well. I remember when Milton Arbogast calls Marion's sister. You can see the word GASOLINE behind the pay phone.

It was shot and protected for a widescreen ratio. In the full frame version you can see camera rig shadows, etc.

[Akoutroubas]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

It was shot and protected for a widescreen ratio. In the full frame version you can see camera rig shadows, etc.

Agreed.

[Crimson King]

I wonder if the digital copy on the 60th release will contain both cuts?
My guess is no.

[bobbyh64]

Does the remix for this film mean that the music has also been remixed in surround sound? If so, how do you remix music that was originally recorded in mono and make it surround sound?


Which brings me to another question, was the music actually recorded in mono or is that just how it was released for the movie? If it was originally recorded in mono, does that mean all the instruments were being recorded with one microphone? I'm not a recording expert, but I imagine they would've recorded the music with separate microphones which would allow them to mix the music however they wanted. So theoretically, could a stereo soundtrack of Herrmann's original score be released?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Does the remix for this film mean that the music has also been remixed in surround sound? If so, how do you remix music that was originally recorded in mono and make it surround sound?


Which brings me to another question, was the music actually recorded in mono or is that just how it was released for the movie? If it was originally recorded in mono, does that mean all the instruments were being recorded with one microphone? I'm not a recording expert, but I imagine they would've recorded the music with separate microphones which would allow them to mix the music however they wanted. So theoretically, could a stereo soundtrack of Herrmann's original score be released?

I have a hunch the score was mixed in stereo given the time frame. If it was the 30's or 40's, yes, I could see it being mono only. Jaws was originally shown theatrically in mono, but the Williams' scoring sessions were multi-tracked and that's why you could have the remix be in full stereo and now even pulled into an Atmos session for the 4k release. When the Jaws album was released, it too was in stereo.


Another way they could "fake" a stereo recording if the original score was only tracked to mono would be to run it through some enhancement software to add a bit of depth and stereo reverb.

[James Luckard]

I could be wrong, but I believe there was a featurette on the existing BD about how they created an artificial 5.1 mix from mono elements using computer technology. I'll stick with the original mono.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

I could be wrong, but I believe there was a featurette on the existing BD about how they created an artificial 5.1 mix from mono elements using computer technology. I'll stick with the original mono.

It's probably Sony's audio restoration program. They use their software extraction tools to help restore soundtracks that may not have surviving audio stems available and only a mix-down to use. It can separate out certain audio pieces from the greater mix and make new stem elements.



They talk about it a little in the Columbia Classics set's booklet. That's how they could create Atmos mixes for Lawrence of Arabia, Gandhi, and Bridge on the River Kwai, for instance. The original audio stems have pretty much deteriorated or been lost over time, so they had to rebuild where they could.


Even some films and TV shows you wouldn't consider to be that old did not have their audio elements archived and only a mix down multi-track remains. That's why WB had such a hard time with the first couple seasons of Game of Thones and trying to make Atmos mixes from the mix-down stems as the separate audio pieces were not kept. If they were to try to create better or enhanced mixes, they would have to use such a tool to pick the soundtracks apart again.

[donidarko]

Will the new regular blu ray release include the remastered 4K picture quality. The original disc from several years ago has severe edge enhancement and unnecessary grain management resulting in a waxy presentation. Universal please fix this for the new release.

Anyone have any information about the blu ray transfer that they will be releasing?

[ravenus]

Originally Posted by donidarko

Will the new regular blu ray release include the remastered 4K picture quality. The original disc from several years ago has severe edge enhancement and unnecessary grain management resulting in a waxy presentation. Universal please fix this for the new release.

Surely you exaggerate? While the older transfer has its limitations, It could not be described as waxy, unless your display settings were off when you viewed it.

[Kyle15]

It always looked waxy to me. Not horrifically so, but enough I never bothered.

[All Darc]

4K version review on DVD Beaver :

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film9/blu-r...cho_4K_UHD.htm

[Akoutroubas]

The 2010 blu ray lists "Remastering Psycho HD" as a special feature. It's not actually on the disc though. Does anyone know how it can be seen?