BDA- Calling you out

[OokieSpookie]

Is there an issue with BD-50 lines and if there is why will you not just admit it?
There are way too many movies hitting on BD-25 when they should not be and it really can not be a coincidence.
I understand that lines may be already hammered getting ready for the holidays and whatnot but let's put the cards on the table... is there an issue?

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

Is there an issue with BD-50 lines and if there is why will you not just admit it?
There are way too many movies hitting on BD-25 when they should not be and it really can not be a coincidence.
I understand that lines may be already hammered getting ready for the holidays and whatnot but let's put the cards on the table... is there an issue?

+1 why are all of Uni's releases hitting on a BD 25?

[stockstar1138]

i was told by a credible source (forget who it was) that by the time universal signed onto blu-ray, fox, sony, disney, lionsgate and wb had already bought up the BD50 supply for 2008 and some of 2009.

there simply is not enough bd50s out there to meet demand.

keep in mind too that multi-million selling ps3 games are eating into bd50 production now too.

[neo_reloaded]

Plenty of movies can legitimately fit on BD-25s. This is an unneeded thread.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Plenty of movies can legitimately fit on BD-25s. This is an unneeded thread.

Disagree. Ookie is expressing a legitimate concern. I would have titled the thread differently, but that is a personal preference.

[jkwest]

I thought BD50's were just wasted space?

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Plenty of movies can legitimately fit on BD-25s. This is an unneeded thread.

plenty need 50GB though.

what the studios need to do is sit down together and make a list of movies that would not be that hurt by only a BD25 (Hancock) and make sure movies that truly need a BD50 (TDK, IJ4, Narinia) get that treatment.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Plenty of movies can legitimately fit on BD-25s. This is an unneeded thread.

Because they can does not mean they should.
All movies can legitimately fit on a dvd too and all movies fit rather well on hd-dvd also.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

i was told by a credible source (forget who it was) that by the time universal signed onto blu-ray, fox, sony, disney, lionsgate and wb had already bought up the BD50 supply for 2008 and some of 2009.

there simply is not enough bd50s out there to meet demand.

keep in mind too that multi-million selling ps3 games are eating into bd50 production now too.

I heard something about this a bit back also but also many denials.
If this is the case, I would think that the prudent thing to do would be just hold off on releases and stick with the big guns until things pick up.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

Because they can does not mean they should.
All movies can legitimately fit on a dvd too and all movies fit rather well on hd-dvd also.

I said "legitimately," implying "fit with enough space so that audio and video do not suffer." Not every movie needs a BD-25, and making some strawman argument to link it to DVD or HD DVD is absurd.

Yes, there are movies that benefit from BD-50s, absolutely. Longer movies, movies with lots of HD special features, etc. do need a BD-50 to not be cramped. But if a movie is an hour and a half or so, and has SD or a small amount of HD special features, a BD-25 can be plenty.

Go look at Doomsday. 113 minute movie, DTS-HD MA soundtrack, U-Control PiP, and an absolutely beautiful transfer. All on a BD-25.

[jw]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

Because they can does not mean they should.
All movies can legitimately fit on a dvd too and all movies fit rather well on hd-dvd also.

language man

I believe i read that the bd-50 lines experience alot of bad discs. The bd-25 lines run with very little duds. Bottom line is if it fits on a 25gb disc, why not use it. The audio tracks are what consume most of the space, not the video

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

I heard something about this a bit back also but also many denials.
If this is the case, I would think that the prudent thing to do would be just hold off on releases and stick with the big guns until things pick up.

well any studio is going to insist on releasing day and dates even if its just with a BD25, they make more sales that way.

i don't consider universals catalogs right now to be their "big guns". mummy was obviously released as a tie in title to mummuy3

[jw]

Looks like they are increasing production so there wont be a shortfall

Ritek is establishing its second production line for blank Blu-ray discs with a monthly capacity of 250,000 units through upgrading an existing DVD production line, and plans to bring the new line into volume production later in the third quarter of 2008, according to the company.
Ritek has an existing BD production line capable of turning out 250,000 discs a month and thus its total monthly capacity will increase to 500,000 units when the second one starts operation, the company indicated. The upgrading of a DVD production line for BD production is much cheaper than installing a new line, Ritek emphasized.more

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by jwbbud

Looks like they are increasing production so there wont be a shortfall

yeah, but look at it this way they are making 250,000 discs/month thats 3 miilion/year.

Metal Gear Solid ate up a years worth of a production lines capacity in 14 days alone.

Resistance 2 will do the same.

Then you have increased blu-ray movie sales.

[HeavyHitter]

90 minute catalog titles with a 5.1 lossless track with no extras will do fine on a BD25 with an AVC or VC-1 encode.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by jwbbud

Looks like they are increasing production so there wont be a shortfall

This is unrelated.

[ryoohki]

Yeah like Doomsday look and sound like **** (Look and sound awesome). If you're having minimal extra you can fit a 2h00 movie with DTS HD MA + extra language on a BD25 with enought bitrate to breath. The advantage of Blu-ray is Peak Rate at 40mbits for video, this give it the advantage in action sequences. It also have a 10mbits in Audio...

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Plenty of movies can legitimately fit on BD-25s. This is an unneeded thread.

Since everyone else is slamming you, I'll get your back.

The actual bitrate needed for the AVC or VC-1 encoder to do its job correctly is directly tied the source it is fed. If you feed it a very clean (for better or worse) master, you are going to get a lower average bitrate. If you feed it a very grainy and inconsistant source, the codec will need more bits to accomplish its job.

If your end product (after compression and adding whatever extras you want) is 23GB in size, then why in the world would you pay extra to have the disc mastered as DL. Also, Blu-ray is still young, and there's a lot of replicators who have BD25 lines in operation from the early days. Telling them they wasted millions of dollars buying those lines because consumers have decided to shun anything not on a DL disc is a pretty bad business decision.

None of that changes the fact that there's a shortage of BD replication lines still (though that is being remedied as we speak), but it really seems like people are arguing over a non-issue at this point. Throwing more bitrate at a soft or extremely clean master isn't going to do anything to improve the final PQ -- but demanding it could go a long way to delaying the release of titles until way into next year.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

I said "legitimately," implying "fit with enough space so that audio and video do not suffer." Not every movie needs a BD-25, and making some strawman argument to link it to DVD or HD DVD is absurd.

I can see what you are saying, but generally there are concessions made when the decision is made for a bd-25 in one form or another.
Whether in audio, bitrate, or extras.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by ryoohki

Yeah like Doomsday look and sound like **** (Look and sound awesome). If you're having minimal extra you can fit a 2h00 movie with DTS HD MA + extra language on a BD25 with enought bitrate to breath. The advantage of Blu-ray is Peak Rate at 40mbits for video, this give it the advantage in action sequences. It also have a 10mbits in Audio...

That is if you are doing minimal extras much like Doomsday did...