Why put out a halfhearted transfer on Blu?

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

Wow, so much to address. YEAH! I know
1st of all I've noticed that some (not all) of the people in this forum are complete a-holes. This is true everywhere in society... just gotta deal with it Nothing personal, just something I've noticed. They come across as extremely elitist and anyone who DARES to have an opinion that differs from theirs, or dares to question something that that person already knows the answer to, are deemed to be an idiot and a loser and shouldn't have internet priviliges or something. Overreacting I'd say... but I'm following you....Always found it interesting the people who take the time to tear apart a posting that they don't like. lol This is a place that most choose to come to to kill time.... it's inevitable.

As for my audio snob comment. I was merely pointing out that while a lot of people are concerned with how perfect the audio has to be, I never have really had a super duper stereo setup. So while someone who has the surround sound theater set up in their living room might be able to tell the difference between the sound options, if I'm there with my TV and no additional speakers, I don't really think I'm going to have the same reaction. Then it's probably best to just steer clear of Audio discussions here

Kinda like the people who post music online and they're like "is this an EAC rip? If it's not, I'm not bothering with it" and I'm just like, maybe you have a big stereo setup where you can tell the difference, but I have a set of headphones and an Ipod, so I don't care. Do you tell them they're A-holes too?
Not that I would ever grab music online, mind you.

And for the other point people made about HOFD being one of the first out of the gate, I apologize profusely for not knowing that. I knew it, but it wasn't my point of contention with it... I bought it unknowingly, and felt a little upset about it, as did you I'm sure. I agree that HOFD was a bad transfer, and I don't think the fact that it was an early release is any excuse for "DVD QUALITY" which is what it is, in my opinion.... Superbit DVD perhaps I am just now getting into the BD/PS3 game and so I don't know the entire history of BD releases. Neither do I, reference the "movies" tab at the top.... or even better, check reviews before purchasing (that's what I do since my original mistakes were costly)

Perhaps some of the a-holes that were especially a-hole-ish about that, can write/type up a history of BD releases, so I know exactly when they were released. You're just being confrontational here.... just do a little research.... Then you can add a little footnote at the end of each section, something to the effect of "never bring up quality of these", "Not really worth complaining about" "if you bring up these we'll castrate you on the internet for all to see"

So there. Any questions about what I posted, feel free to post them up.

As I said I'm extremely sorry that I wasted people's time with a question that I wanted to know the answer to. Question was fine.... more of a rant though, and frankly I think people are just growing tedious of the "why is it on BD25 discs, why 5.1 and not 7.1, or why not HD-MA audio"" etc etc.. discussions.... and while everyone wants "The best possible" for their money.... Many, like myself, are content with marked improvements over DVD quality, and I think HOFD was NOT a great improvement whatsoever over DVD, so I think there is a difference in what you were asking, and I think you were unfairly attacked for your question..... but that's just my opinion.

Also sorry that I didn't know the 5th Element buyers got the free upgrade. And I totally agree that since they offered a free upgrade to the new version, that that totally negates the fact that they put out a shitty transfer in the first place. I don't agree.... I didn't know they gave the free upgrade, but I don't think a replacement completely negates it, many people buy disks upon release, and pay a premium to do so.... I don't, but some do All is forgiven my son, walk through the gates to Heaven.

Let's not all overreact here...... just a friendly forum people!


EDIT:::: Re-Reading the original posts, I don't think you were really attacked at all...... I think you might be taking things a little too personal....

Either way, lets keep this "informative" rather than mean-spirited.

[Groo The Perverted]

Nah it's all good Betaman. Not taking any of this too seriously. I just detected a litttle bit of snobbery and "how dare you" attitudes, and was reacting to that.

I'm not someone who's obsessed with "why are things on BD25 instead of BD50. When I see those topics, I too kinda roll my eyes and am like "who cares?"

And I don't expect every release to have an absolutely top notice transfer, although that would be nice.

But what I WOULD expect is that a BLURAY would have a better PQ than the DVD.

While I'm not hung up on audio issues, although the better the audio the better the situation I'm sure, the PQ is what I'm more interested in with Supplements right behind it.

We all have different levels of happiness with things.

Example: I've heard people complaining about the upcoming LA Confidential specs. I'm perfectly happy with what I've seen. It's got the pilot episode (which I already happen to own, but still...) and some other cool goodies.

As long as the PQ is at least decent, and better than it was (which was already pretty good) I'm happy.

I was thrown by the review on this site for HOFD because they went into how bad it was, and the audio as well.

I think it was rated at 2 or 2.5 out of 5. I'm not looking for a 5 out of 5 transfer, although as i said that would rock, but if I'm shelling out big bucks for a Bluray "HIGH DEFINITION" disc, I would expect to have an above standard def PQ.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

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You also complain a lot.

I've made two (TWO!) threads in which I pointed out things that bothered me about some releases.

That's complaining A LOT?

Wow. I feel sorry for the poor bastard that has the audacity to take issue with THREE things.

[JJ]

I love this forum so much.

Yes, I'm aware this post was utterly unhelpful or on-topic. But I just had to say it after reading this thread.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

I love this forum so much.

Yes, I'm aware this post was utterly unhelpful or on-topic. But I just had to say it after reading this thread.

No problem. A lot of responses on this forum are unhelpful or on-topic. lol

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

Wow, so much to address.

1st of all I've noticed that some (not all) of the people in this forum are complete a-holes. Nothing personal, just something I've noticed. They come across as extremely elitist and anyone who DARES to have an opinion that differs from theirs, or dares to question something that that person already knows the answer to, are deemed to be an idiot and a loser and shouldn't have internet priviliges or something.

Always found it interesting the people who take the time to tear apart a posting that they don't like. lol

As for my audio snob comment. I was merely pointing out that while a lot of people are concerned with how perfect the audio has to be, I never have really had a super duper stereo setup. So while someone who has the surround sound theater set up in their living room might be able to tell the difference between the sound options, if I'm there with my TV and no additional speakers, I don't really think I'm going to have the same reaction.

Kinda like the people who post music online and they're like "is this an EAC rip? If it's not, I'm not bothering with it" and I'm just like, maybe you have a big stereo setup where you can tell the difference, but I have a set of headphones and an Ipod, so I don't care.

Not that I would ever grab music online, mind you.

And for the other point people made about HOFD being one of the first out of the gate, I apologize profusely for not knowing that. I am just now getting into the BD/PS3 game and so I don't know the entire history of BD releases.

Perhaps some of the a-holes that were especially a-hole-ish about that, can write/type up a history of BD releases, so I know exactly when they were released. Then you can add a little footnote at the end of each section, something to the effect of "never bring up quality of these", "Not really worth complaining about" "if you bring up these we'll castrate you on the internet for all to see"

So there. Any questions about what I posted, feel free to post them up.

As I said I'm extremely sorry that I wasted people's time with a question that I wanted to know the answer to.

Also sorry that I didn't know the 5th Element buyers got the free upgrade. And I totally agree that since they offered a free upgrade to the new version, that that totally negates the fact that they put out a shitty transfer in the first place. All is forgiven my son, walk through the gates to Heaven.

I agree- lots to address.

1. It's never good to start off at a forum calling members "a-holes". It just isn't going to end well. It's the internet and people are going to do and post things you don't like.

2. While audio is obviously not important to you (TV speakers?!? Seriously?!) it is of high or even primary importance to many here on the board. There's a large section of the forum devoted to audio hardware and there's a large contigent of forum members that say "no lossless? no sale." I would suggest to you that while it is of little importance to you, dismissing the issue as unimportant or that the people that hold that in high regard are "audio snobs" isn't going to get you very far.

3. Your comments about not knowing the history of a particular film or its release are valid. Your comments that people should "write up a history" for you is hypocritical. Don't go getting on people's cases about how they're all "a-holes" followed up with you being one yourself.

Welcome to the forum. Chill out a little bit. Maybe get a feel for the place before starting any more threads. By the way, I dig your avatar of Odesu (sp). You can't be all bad with that.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

And for the other point people made about HOFD being one of the first out of the gate, I apologize profusely for not knowing that. I am just now getting into the BD/PS3 game and so I don't know the entire history of BD releases.

This website can be a great resource when used properly. If you look at the page for this movie you'll see that the release date for the blu-ray is listed:

House of Flying Daggers (Blu-ray)
Sony Pictures | 2004 | 119 mins | Rated PG-13 | Jun 20, 2006

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by aramis109

I agree- lots to address.

1. It's never good to start off at a forum calling members "a-holes". It just isn't going to end well. It's the internet and people are going to do and post things you don't like.

2. While audio is obviously not important to you (TV speakers?!? Seriously?!) it is of high or even primary importance to many here on the board. There's a large section of the forum devoted to audio hardware and there's a large contigent of forum members that say "no lossless? no sale." I would suggest to you that while it is of little importance to you, dismissing the issue as unimportant or that the people that hold that in high regard are "audio snobs" isn't going to get you very far.

3. Your comments about not knowing the history of a particular film or its release are valid. Your comments that people should "write up a history" for you is hypocritical. Don't go getting on people's cases about how they're all "a-holes" followed up with you being one yourself.

Welcome to the forum. Chill out a little bit. Maybe get a feel for the place before starting any more threads. By the way, I dig your avatar of Odesu (sp). You can't be all bad with that.

Oh Dae Su. Yeah that movie is cool.

Didn't mean to infer that Audio shouldn't be important to anyone else. Just saying it doesn't matter to me as much because I don't really have a setup to appreciate it. In the future I'll probably care more because I'll have a setup for it.

And yeah I was being a dick. I just get frustrated with sites where someone joins up and posts up asking questions or making observations and people just shit on them from the jump.

It's like they want to "haze" them or something by treating them like crap. I'm not really into that.

I try to treat people with respect as long as they treat me with respect. Not everyone has the same amount of knowledge as the next man when it comes to audio/video technical things.

[ClaytonMG]

I am going to avoid a mean post here. But the way I look at it, DVD's looked terrible when they came out. Blu-Ray is the same way. While they looked better than DVD, they still needed time to get into the flow of things.

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

So I went to buy House of Flying Daggers on Blu and I checked with the reviews on this site, and they said the video/audio transfers were terrible.

So why would a label or whoever release a substandard BD? Do they actually sit there and say "So what, we'll make more money off the suckers when we release the "remastered edition"? (hello 5th Element!).

When I see BD's that have crappy video transfers it just makes me wonder what was the point in releasing them in the first place if they weren't gonna do it right.

I'm not an audio snob like some people are where it has to be lossless or whatever. I don't have some superduper double secret probation type setup anyway, so I'm not gonna see much of a difference in the audio ANYWAY.

But I'm just irritated that I have to wait until they get their heads out of their asses and release a nice copy of Flying Daggers.

Because we keep buying them at full-ass price .

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I am going to avoid a mean post here. But the way I look at it, DVD's looked terrible when they came out. Blu-Ray is the same way. While they looked better than DVD, they still needed time to get into the flow of things.

That very well could be. And considering that it apparantly was one of the first ones out the gate, could also go to explain.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by mdm1699

Because we keep buying them at full-ass price .

Yeah I've kinda committed to not paying more than 15 bucks (give or take) for a BD title.

If I go on Half.com I'll pay a max of about 20 bucks including shipping for a title.

On Ebay or wherever else, I'll pay about 15 bucks each + shipping for it. I made an exception for the Spiderman Trilogy cause it was all of the movies, but I still got that for fifty bucks. Which equals out to about ...17 bucks or so.

[Stiny-Ray2]

That is why i have set Standards for myself i haven't brought a Bluray Title since April yes April. I am not buying anything short of PERFECTION. Over the last three Months too many tranfers were just average. I am not going to shell out bucks for second rate transfers. The Next Bluray movie i'll buy is Transformers...that is what i call Perfection. If any transfer doesn't score 10 or a 9 1/2 I AM NOT BUYING! I really feel sorry for those who got hosed with Batman Begins, what a waste of a transfer....patience is a virtue.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Stiny-Ray2

That is why i have set Standards for myself i haven't brought a Bluray Title since April yes April. I am not buying anything short of PERFECTION. Over the last three Months too many tranfers were just average. I am not going to shell out bucks for second rate transfers. The Next Bluray movie i'll buy is Transformers...that is what i call Perfection. If any transfer doesn't score 10 or a 9 1/2 I AM NOT BUYING! I really feel sorry for those who got hosed with Batman Begins, what a waste of a transfer....patience is a virtue.

Opinions...

I really like Batman Begins. As a result I'm very happy with the BD. I will say there is room for improvement but seeing as I almost exclusively only buy movies I love rather than ones that just have a good transfer, I'm rarely disappointed. I will be double-dipping if they come out with a new transfer, but seeing as I bought this one for $17.95, I won't be complaining.

[jovherye]

Back on track here...throw f'ing Robocop into the mix! If 2001 can look spectacular at almost 40 years old, so should every other damn movie!!! My 2 cents!!

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

You can include Predator on your list.

Bullcrap.

[ksigtia]

The mission impossible series too. I am so pissed that I want compensation for wasting my time..

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

write/type up a history of BD releases, so I know exactly when they were released

Direct link to the movie database search:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by jovherye

Back on track here...throw f'ing Robocop into the mix! If 2001 can look spectacular at almost 40 years old, so should every other damn movie!!! My 2 cents!!

2001 was made better then Robocop in the visual part

[Beefbowl]

Originally Posted by Stiny-Ray2

That is why i have set Standards for myself i haven't brought a Bluray Title since April yes April. I am not buying anything short of PERFECTION. Over the last three Months too many tranfers were just average. I am not going to shell out bucks for second rate transfers. The Next Bluray movie i'll buy is Transformers...that is what i call Perfection. If any transfer doesn't score 10 or a 9 1/2 I AM NOT BUYING! I really feel sorry for those who got hosed with Batman Begins, what a waste of a transfer....patience is a virtue.

What was wrong with Batman?